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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
October 30 2010 00:05 GMT
#541
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:06 GMT
#542
There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.


specifically this

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.

I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.

So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:07 GMT
#543
On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.


Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.

Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?
RIP Aaliyah
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 00:07 GMT
#544
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason

so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit


somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more


Alright, I'm back at home for now.

I would like Artanis to confirm this.
Personally, this was not stated in the PM's sent to me.
靈魂交響曲
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 00:08 GMT
#545
On October 30 2010 04:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball


Seems like Artanis confirmed that Mayor CAN be role/alignment checked.
靈魂交響曲
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
October 30 2010 00:10 GMT
#546
On October 30 2010 09:07 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason

so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit


somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more


Alright, I'm back at home for now.

I would like Artanis to confirm this.
Personally, this was not stated in the PM's sent to me.

There may or may not be any role in the game. This includes masons, so when asked the questions I confirmed that it is a possibility.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 00:10 GMT
#547
On October 30 2010 04:16 Node wrote:
My inclination is to go with Pandain. I agree with whoever it was who asked why Fishball has to be mayor as well as the informant from his circle. What can he do as mayor that he can't do already? What crucial information does he gain by being mayor, and why can't he just bring it to the town anyways from a non-leadership position?


I think I've answered this question at least twice already. I cannot/would be extremely hard to proceed without absolute protection.
靈魂交響曲
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 30 2010 00:11 GMT
#548
On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.


specifically this

Show nested quote +
Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.

I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.

So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '


I responded to the bolded already.

I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 30 2010 00:13 GMT
#549
On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.


Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.

Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?


Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:15 GMT
#550
On October 30 2010 09:11 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.


specifically this

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.

I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.

So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '


I responded to the bolded already.

I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain.


It just seemed out of place that you would bring up fishballs candidacy as a point against me when you're against him as well, rather than asking why people should vote for me over bumatlarge instead

On October 30 2010 09:13 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.


Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.

Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?


Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo.


So what's my plan then, assume for a minute I'm scum. To lie about proving I'm town, get elected, use the 1 lynch, and then die for the lie? Sacrifice myself for a single kill?
RIP Aaliyah
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 00:16 GMT
#551
On October 30 2010 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Hey all, sorry I'm late. Just got off my flight from Liquidvania. You wouldn't believe the lines. People must be dying to get out of there (sorry I couldn't resist.)

I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests.

First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself?

Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue.

Good luck all ^_^


I will add my comments regarding the circle coming forth in a later post.

As for the first day lynch, I currently have no solid candidates. I'll start thinking about it after I win, if I do win. I'll basically list several options, take consideration of what the rest of the players has to say, as well as any other candidates they bring up, then make a decision from there and state my reasons.
靈魂交響曲
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:17 GMT
#552
If I'm mafia I'm basically saying

"I promise to do this thing that would be impossible for me to do and you can kill me if you don't do it"

Call it WIFOM all you want but that is a play that would never occur to a mafia that wasn't absolutely retarded.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:17 GMT
#553
On October 30 2010 09:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I'm mafia I'm basically saying

"I promise to do this thing that would be impossible for me to do and you can kill me if I don't do it"

Call it WIFOM all you want but that is a play that would never occur to a mafia that wasn't absolutely retarded.


EBWODP
RIP Aaliyah
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 30 2010 00:18 GMT
#554
@DR.h: dont get me wrong, im still reading the thread to catch up but that post was my current summary of my thought on the current situation @_@... i have yet decided to vote on anybody so if you can convince me that you are more worthy than the other, i will vote for you :D...

again, no offends and please feel free to correct me ...
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:19 GMT
#555
On October 30 2010 09:18 NB wrote:
@DR.h: dont get me wrong, im still reading the thread to catch up but that post was my current summary of my thought on the current situation @_@... i have yet decided to vote on anybody so if you can convince me that you are more worthy than the other, i will vote for you :D...

again, no offends and please feel free to correct me ...

I already corrected you and I've already stated many many times in this thread why I feel I should be mayor. I'm not going to repeat my arguments for the sake of avoiding redundancy.

But it is really absurd that people are now bringing up the possibility that i'm a lying mafia when I feel I demonstrated quite a while ago that this is a huge improbability.
RIP Aaliyah
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 00:20 GMT
#556
On October 30 2010 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.



Actually, from a sense, I do need the Mayor role to scum hunt "within my small group", especially after I've decided to come out, there is no turning back.

It will all make sense when you know my role.

靈魂交響曲
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 30 2010 00:21 GMT
#557
On October 30 2010 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:11 Ace wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.


specifically this

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.

I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.

So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '


I responded to the bolded already.

I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain.


It just seemed out of place that you would bring up fishballs candidacy as a point against me when you're against him as well, rather than asking why people should vote for me over bumatlarge instead

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:13 Ace wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.


Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.

Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?


Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo.


So what's my plan then, assume for a minute I'm scum. To lie about proving I'm town, get elected, use the 1 lynch, and then die for the lie? Sacrifice myself for a single kill?


1.) That wasn't being used as a point against you. I was talking about you, Fishball and Pandain as the remaining candidates who didn't have my vote. Nothing to do with bumatlarge.

2.) If you're Scum, get Mayor, lynch someone - how do you die? I don't know what roles are in the game and neither does anyone else. The name of the game is INSANE Mafia. Maybe you're scum with a role that can do something and look Pro-Town? I don't know and honestly, even if I did know the roles in the game that doesn't mean I'm going to take you at your word. There have been plenty of games where Scum says they promise to do something, like oh kill themselves and then WALLA! Something else happens, the Scum spin it to show that there is a better idea and the Scummy Martyr goes free. I'm not in the business on playing for promises.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:22 GMT
#558
On October 30 2010 09:20 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.



Actually, from a sense, I do need the Mayor role to scum hunt "within my small group", especially after I've decided to come out, there is no turning back.

It will all make sense when you know my role.



Is medic protection not enough?

If you are killed then wouldn't that increase suspicion on certain members of the group within the group itself?

Do you know the names of other players in the group and if so can you say who they are since they won't claim themselves? Otherwise there is really no reliable way to confirm your town alignment other than a DT check.

RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 00:23 GMT
#559
On October 30 2010 09:21 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:11 Ace wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.


specifically this

Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.

I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.

So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '


I responded to the bolded already.

I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain.


It just seemed out of place that you would bring up fishballs candidacy as a point against me when you're against him as well, rather than asking why people should vote for me over bumatlarge instead

On October 30 2010 09:13 Ace wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.


Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.

Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?


Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo.


So what's my plan then, assume for a minute I'm scum. To lie about proving I'm town, get elected, use the 1 lynch, and then die for the lie? Sacrifice myself for a single kill?


1.) That wasn't being used as a point against you. I was talking about you, Fishball and Pandain as the remaining candidates who didn't have my vote. Nothing to do with bumatlarge.

2.) If you're Scum, get Mayor, lynch someone - how do you die? I don't know what roles are in the game and neither does anyone else. The name of the game is INSANE Mafia. Maybe you're scum with a role that can do something and look Pro-Town? I don't know and honestly, even if I did know the roles in the game that doesn't mean I'm going to take you at your word. There have been plenty of games where Scum says they promise to do something, like oh kill themselves and then WALLA! Something else happens, the Scum spin it to show that there is a better idea and the Scummy Martyr goes free. I'm not in the business on playing for promises.


I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.

Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now?
RIP Aaliyah
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 30 2010 00:24 GMT
#560
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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