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Seriously guys? We just found the perfect screw up and you still believe him?
He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead!
Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher.
Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace.
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts.
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^actually, you're a bit off. The correct bolded statement is that he claimed a role which doesn't do what it usually does based on the name. I would be sure about the distinction there.
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On November 08 2010 09:49 infinitestory wrote:
^actually, you're a bit off. The correct bolded statement is that he claimed a role which doesn't do what it usually does based on the name. I would be sure about the distinction there.
No. He claims watcher, with the abilities that a Tracker should have.
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On November 08 2010 08:34 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 08:27 kitaman27 wrote:
Nemesis, I noticed you changed your vote from Ace to me based on his weak defense.
Explain to me why I would put myself out here like this to target a single town member.
14 town remaining
5 mafia remaining
A 1:1 trade doesn't work out too well, now does it? Hmm well honestly I don't care who gets lynched at this point. Depending on who flips what, the next day lynch is quite clear.
Why? We have a chance to lynch a scum right now and you say you don't care? This goes back to the "let's just lynch someone for information" which I think is a bad policy.
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On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts.
As for this, a sudden bandwagon on Ace wouldn't save the player with the highest vote count. It would save the player with the second highest vote count. Who had the second highest vote count before kitaman's announcement? oshi- >_>
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Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it.
Uh, but it did prove successful.
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On November 08 2010 09:55 L wrote:Show nested quote +Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it. Uh, but it did prove successful.
wait, are you talking about kitaman's role or Cubed's role here?
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On November 08 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
HEY GUYS
irc.efnet.org #wolf for some mafia ASAP games, gogo tonight right now
sorry for the hijack, GL my insane mafia team ;D
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On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Seriously guys? We just found the perfect screw up and you still believe him?
He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead!
Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher.
Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace.
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts.
If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave.
I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace.
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On November 08 2010 09:56 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:55 L wrote:Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it. Uh, but it did prove successful. wait, are you talking about kitaman's role or Cubed's role here?
Seems like both. Once I discovered the M-rus portion of Cube's role, he was essentially confirmed blue. From mafia's point of view, the claim is hyper-complex to engineer. From his point of view, he didn't even think about m-rus spreading as an argument, nor did anyone else.
If mafia had thought about the trade off, someone would have made the comment very quickly.
Instead, we confirmed that mafia had probably infected cubed if they have a targetted infection method, which makes sense given what we've seen in terms of the M-rus spread. If cube repeatedly targetted himself, a N1 spread to him would have been immediately stopped, whereas n2 had a spread to someone who was involved with at least 2 other people. Given the net +4 infection rate we see afterwards, its likely mrus is actually ramping up its infection speed.
As for Ace's catch, I dont' see any of the standard roles working in a way other than the way they've typically worked. For mafia, a tradeoff here is optimal, but if they can get their player to avoid being hit, its game winning.
They push someone off the vote train and thus get the ability to push him later if they so choose, they pick a dangerous target to them and have him eliminated asap, and they get to control not only today's targets, but also one of tomorrow's. In that environment, they'll lose 1 mafia from the fake claim after protecting today's kp, giving them a net of 2 lynch, 2kp+1, 1/1 lynch, and 1+1. This rolls out to -8 townies -1 mafia, which puts us at 11 townies, 4 mafia.
But the kicker? Mrus just exploded. If mafia pick their targets and know who's infected they're less likely to get infected, which means mrus will explode for 7-9 people worth, killing maybe 1-2 mafia. At best, we're 4 town v 2 mafia. Lylo. At worst we've lost 2-4. And that's ignoring any other tricks they have up their sleeve. What's a probable trick? Their mrus spreader has mrus himself. If he's sacrificed, they don't care; he's going to die anyways.
That's why I'm far more willing to kill players like Nemesis who have been keeping their heads down, because it not only plays to classic mafia strengths, but it keeps blue's attention on other players and minimizes the likelihood that they've gotten infected. Meapak as well decided to show up and post a complete non sequitur, showing he's around but that he still doesn't want to deal with the shit that's been thrown at him. That's. Fucked. Up.
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scum lose a KP if we lynch one today
which is why it's so important that we do
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On November 08 2010 10:10 youngminii wrote:
scum lose a KP if we lynch one today
which is why it's so important that we do
does that mean it would be worth it to lynch both kitaman and Ace? >_____>
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On November 08 2010 10:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Seriously guys? We just found the perfect screw up and you still believe him?
He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead!
Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher.
Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace.
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave. I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace.
Youngminii, please use reason. All game long you have been accusing me, trying to get me killed, and have had no reasons as to why. Let me correct that, no good reasons(I don't count "I hate long analysis" as a reason. :p) Kitaman frickin screwed up. Its obvious for EVERYONE TO SEE. And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE. Let me repost this.
On November 08 2010 04:25 Pandain wrote:
Wow, I roleclaimed so then you guys wouldn't lynch me but now I'm getting lynched because of it.
I don't think you guys see how much of an opportunity we have. Let's see the situation
There is a slight chance there are 4 medics, meaning one is still alive. I highly doubt there is 5 though, as that would seem a bit too much. However, there is still a great chance there are no medics.
Right now, we still have another double lynch. We have three investigative roles. With only about 19 people left having 3 people check 3 people each day will root out the mafia very quickly.
If you guys lynch me, we will only have two checks a day, possibly no DTS by the end(as if you lynch me and get the second one wrong mafia will still have 2 kp, and with possibly no doctors meaning they might be able just to snipe them off.)
Let me repeat what you guys are doing:
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
Confirming who I have is useless if you guys lynch me and mafia take out the rest of the dt's(granted of course the second lynch is wrong, and it might be.). We need to be lynching the most suscipcious people, so we'll be able to knock off at least one kp. Right now, lowering the kp is the number one priority.
Honestly I can't believe people are still falling for this... HE FAKE ROLECLAIMED THE WRONG ROLE.
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On November 08 2010 10:11 Pandain wrote:
And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE
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your claim of investigative role is hardly more believable than kitaman's
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On November 08 2010 09:54 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. As for this, a sudden bandwagon on Ace wouldn't save the player with the highest vote count. It would save the player with the second highest vote count. Who had the second highest vote count before kitaman's announcement? oshi- >_>
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good point, but don't forget meepback was like only one vote behind?
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On November 08 2010 10:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:11 Pandain wrote:
And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE
your claim of investigative role is hardly more believable than kitaman's
Ya, cause mafia are definitely going to claim Trash Collector....
And he's also the one who FAKE ROLECLAIMED!
Let me post this many times, in case people don't understand. We have like a surefire lynch right here.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
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On November 08 2010 06:51 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:48 LunarDestiny wrote:
Infinitestory, do you know my next icon is and what post count?
This icon of mine (I think it is a devourer), looks like shit. idk, but if i had to guess i'd say ultralisk or guardian
To respond to this as I catch up.
It goes Devourer, guardian Infested terran defiler then ultralisk iirc.
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On November 08 2010 10:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:10 youngminii wrote:
scum lose a KP if we lynch one today
which is why it's so important that we do does that mean it would be worth it to lynch both kitaman and Ace? >_____>
look at my post and put in -1 kp a night early. Seems doable, but if kitaman was bussed, or there's some kind of framer role, we're going to lose 2 blues and lose the game as mafia grab the easy wagon on someone town who wanted to push this lynch through.
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@youngminii: How can you lynch me when this guy has a role claim that doesn't add up?
Every other role in the game has relation to their originals. His role is the only role that does not, and on top of it he mixed up the role powers of Watcher and Tracker.
How the hell is this even debatable? He just messed up a fake claim.
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