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Well... I'd like to hear what Ace has to say for himself but like Nemesis said he hasn't really done much. I doubt anything he could say will change my vote which is now on him.
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On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
This is impossible.
1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim.
2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night.
If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't.
So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also.
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I have no reason to assume these roles are named standardly or work standardly.
Also, if you're getting your information from mafiascum.net, his claim is more similar to the Role Cop variation of DT than Tracker or Watcher.
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Ahahahaha he's right, tracker TRACKS who he visits, watcher just watches to see who visited him.
epic fail mafia
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On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher
2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways.
Something isn't adding up here.
His role name is Watcher but he has Tracker abilities? Come on people your kidding me right?
I was involved in last night's hit, but he doesn't get the name of who? So he isn't a Tracker or a Watcher (who would get name or number results) but something else that just gets vague information?
He even shoves a possible cop out of insanity in there even though Watcher and Tracker roles don't have sanities?
To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight.
He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information.
This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this?
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On November 08 2010 07:46 infinitestory wrote:
I have no reason to assume these roles are named standardly or work standardly.
Also, if you're getting your information from mafiascum.net, his claim is more similar to the Role Cop variation of DT than Tracker or Watcher.
Im getting my info from all the games I played, especially since I was the one who introduced Trackers and Watchers to Tl.net
That said, if his role is more similar to Role Cop why didn't he reveal my role name?
He hasn't revealed anyone involved in my alleged visit to the crime scene - not one.
No role, no targets. He vaguely just said "Ace was involved in last night's hit" and you all jumped on it without even realizing his role makes no sense. Why so eager to get me lynched?
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On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim.
Thanks for my role clarification. I didn't realize you were a mod.
No, I was not given the tracker role, I was given the watcher role.
On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. 2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night. If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't.
I see what you did there. You modified my role and then attacked me for not following your modification. Clever.
On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher
2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information. This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this?
On November 07 2010 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 08:33 Glasse wrote:On November 07 2010 08:32 infinitestory wrote:On November 07 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Well we could lynch Pandain and another person not on your checks to check your own sanity. We had a plan to lynch Padain anyway so it almost works out that we can confirm your sanity, and it's a safeguard to understand that you aren't lying, after all. Let's try not to lynch someone who's more likely town than mafia at the moment. I really hate lurkers, i feel like there HAS to be a mafia hiding in them Agreed. Carefully watching the lurkers should be a priority. Especially those who disappear for periods of time after the town has formed a majority opinion.
I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets.
On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher
2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight.
Thankfully it doesn't matter if Amber[light] is slated to die or not tonight. Only that he is willing to confirm he did not leave his house on night two.
On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also.
Nice scare tactic.
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Hmm well the thing is Ace if he is found to be lying, then there is no way he can talk his way out of it next day phase. But I guess it doesn't matter whether we lynch you or him to find out whether he's lying or not.
But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious.
Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights?
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On November 08 2010 08:13 Nemesis wrote:
Hmm well the thing is Ace if he is found to be lying, then there is no way he can talk his way out of it next day phase. But I guess it doesn't matter whether we lynch you or him to find out whether he's lying or not.
But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious.
Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights?
he said infun and amber, in that order
kitaman, do you know what, if anything, infundibulum did on night 1?
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On November 08 2010 08:13 Nemesis wrote:
Hmm well the thing is Ace if he is found to be lying, then there is no way he can talk his way out of it next day phase. But I guess it doesn't matter whether we lynch you or him to find out whether he's lying or not.
But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious.
Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights?
On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:
3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light]
Neither left their houses the night I watched them.
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i will confirm that infundibulum did NOT leave his house on night 1, based on his role
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So explain how your role name is Watcher but has Tracker abilities? I didn't modify your role - they are two completely different roles.
Watcher - Able to target a player. You either get the names of the people that visited the target that night or the number of players that visited the target.
Tracker - Able to target a player. You find out who the target visited that night.
There is no making up of a role here. These are the definitions of what the roles do. You messed up your fake claim.
That's like calling yourself a detective and you shoot people at night, then I say you're a vigilante and you make a fuss about it.
Nice that you coded my name into a post ahead of time, as if that proves you're telling the truth when you messed up your role claim.
About Amber[light] - you don't think it's incredibly convenient that the 2 people you tracked :
1.) 1 was already claimed to be innocent by another player
2.) The other is slated to die tonight anyway
So you don't have information on any other player, just 2 guys who are pretty much "solved". Come on, that's very convenient don't you think?
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Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2010 08:33 Glasse wrote:On November 07 2010 08:32 infinitestory wrote:On November 07 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Well we could lynch Pandain and another person not on your checks to check your own sanity. We had a plan to lynch Padain anyway so it almost works out that we can confirm your sanity, and it's a safeguard to understand that you aren't lying, after all. Let's try not to lynch someone who's more likely town than mafia at the moment. I really hate lurkers, i feel like there HAS to be a mafia hiding in them Agreed. Carefully watching the lurkers should be a priority. Especially those who disappear for periods of time after the town has formed a majority opinion. I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets.
I'm sorry but that is a bit of a ridiculouse defense, I'm not buying it XD
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hmm
recap of what just happened:
1) someone claims investigative role
2) investigator claims he found a mafia
3) that suspect says the investigator is a mafia because the role name is wrong
4) people are now more inclined to believe the mafia suspect
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On November 08 2010 08:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. Thanks for my role clarification. I didn't realize you were a mod. No, I was not given the tracker role, I was given the watcher role. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. 2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night. If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't. I see what you did there. You modified my role and then attacked me for not following your modification. Clever. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher
2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information. This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this? Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2010 08:33 Glasse wrote:On November 07 2010 08:32 infinitestory wrote:On November 07 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Well we could lynch Pandain and another person not on your checks to check your own sanity. We had a plan to lynch Padain anyway so it almost works out that we can confirm your sanity, and it's a safeguard to understand that you aren't lying, after all. Let's try not to lynch someone who's more likely town than mafia at the moment. I really hate lurkers, i feel like there HAS to be a mafia hiding in them Agreed. Carefully watching the lurkers should be a priority. Especially those who disappear for periods of time after the town has formed a majority opinion. I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher
2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight. Thankfully it doesn't matter if Amber[light] is slated to die or not tonight. Only that he is willing to confirm he did not leave his house on night two.Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote:On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also. Nice scare tactic.
You are right.
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On November 08 2010 08:17 Ace wrote:
So explain how your role name is Watcher but has Tracker abilities? I didn't modify your role - they are two completely different roles.
Watcher - Able to target a player. You either get the names of the people that visited the target that night or the number of players that visited the target.
Tracker - Able to target a player. You find out who the target visited that night.
I'm pretty sure L informed Cube that his role was impossible based on the description as well. That went well. Watcher is the name my role was given.
About Amber[light] - you don't think it's incredibly convenient that the 2 people you tracked :
1.) 1 was already claimed to be innocent by another player
2.) The other is slated to die tonight anyway
So you don't have information on any other player, just 2 guys who are pretty much "solved". Come on, that's very convenient don't you think?
You are choosing to ignore the most important part, however. It doesn't matter that I know Amber is going to die tonight. Amber has not revealed his role to this point. Quite an unnecessary gamble that I claim he never left his house night two, don't you think?
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Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited?
Which days were who visited?
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On November 08 2010 08:23 Nemesis wrote:
Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited?
Which days were who visited?
i just confirmed infun did not leave his house, based on my knowledge of infun's role
amber also just confirmed he did not leave his house night 2
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On November 08 2010 08:23 Nemesis wrote:
Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited?
Which days were who visited?
inf on night one
amber on night two
ace on night three
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On November 08 2010 08:24 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 08:23 Nemesis wrote:
Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited?
Which days were who visited? i just confirmed infun did not leave his house, based on my knowledge of infun's role amber also just confirmed he did not leave his house night 2
Can you link or quote me to where Amber confirmed it?
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