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There seriously would be no reason why trash/garbage collector would have any distinctions, I have no idea what that mini debate was for.
And sorry about the shouting but I literally just finished saying this shit
Yeah, this abundance of role claims is getting midly irksome, I think it hinders the town and helps the mafia a little too much. You have to remember the mafia can fake roles pretty easily in this set up and the more information we give them on what roles we have the more information they have to work with and get better targets while the town has to second guess the possibility of the lynch candidate of being a mafia and not a real blue.
Its just so stupid because you said the exact thing I just warned against. Like seriously you doubt over 8 days of posting that the mafia would actually have a hard time coming up with some variation of a veteran role so he must be innocent? One of the first things I would do as mafia in a game like this is figure out what crazy ass shit I would claim if I got in a jam to try to get me out of it. Which is exactly what just happened whether or not he is mafia is irrelevant because it makes us dismiss facts and analysis just because someone claimed.
Like right now what if I were to claim my role was Morpheus and I have an extra night life and if I die by mafia hit while Neo is still alive he gains an additional night kill on top of whatever power he chose. Maybe not the best example but I thought of it in 30 seconds to complement a role we already saw.
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Anyway, I am going to work. I will be back in like 6 hours.
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The Pandain situation is the most important. His alignment gives us so much information about others' alignment:
KtheZ because he checked Pandain role to be TRASH COLLECTOR.
Veldril because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Nemesis because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Lynching lurkers is a hit or miss to me. But you can giving reason why that lurker is likely to be mafia, then it is much better than lynching random people or random lurkers.
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United States4053 Posts
On November 08 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
The Pandain situation is the most important. His alignment gives us so much information about others' alignment:
KtheZ because he checked Pandain role to be TRASH COLLECTOR.
Veldril because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Nemesis because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Lynching lurkers is a hit or miss to me. But you can giving reason why that lurker is likely to be mafia, then it is much better than lynching random people or random lurkers.
because several other mafia so far have been on the edge of lurking? Divinek hardly posted at all and Coag and deconduo bordered on it by posting not very often
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Some mafia who died also lurk does not mean that other mafia members are lurkers.
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United States4053 Posts
On November 08 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
The Pandain situation is the most important. His alignment gives us so much information about others' alignment:
KtheZ because he checked Pandain role to be TRASH COLLECTOR.
Veldril because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Nemesis because he was checked to be town by Pandain.
Lynching lurkers is a hit or miss to me. But you can giving reason why that lurker is likely to be mafia, then it is much better than lynching random people or random lurkers.
actually, knowing pandain's alignment doesn't tell us anything about KtheZ
because KtheZ conveniently revealed that he checked pandain and me AFTER we roleclaimed
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I guess that my reason for KtheZ's alignment isn't clear enough.
I see KtheZ's claim of Pandain being Trash Collector is a claim that aimed to save Pandain. If we know Pandain's alignment:
Pandain is mafia: KtheZ is also mafia given that a town member would not save a mafia. KtheZ is the 2nd to vote to lynch Pandain in the day 3 lynch, although this is not a strong reason.
Pandain is town: KtheZ is also town because mafia would not save a town.
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Wow, I roleclaimed so then you guys wouldn't lynch me but now I'm getting lynched because of it.
I don't think you guys see how much of an opportunity we have. Let's see the situation
There is a slight chance there are 4 medics, meaning one is still alive. I highly doubt there is 5 though, as that would seem a bit too much. However, there is still a great chance there are no medics.
Right now, we still have another double lynch. We have three investigative roles. With only about 19 people left having 3 people check 3 people each day will root out the mafia very quickly.
If you guys lynch me, we will only have two checks a day, possibly no DTS by the end(as if you lynch me and get the second one wrong mafia will still have 2 kp, and with possibly no doctors meaning they might be able just to snipe them off.)
Let me repeat what you guys are doing:
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
You are lynching an alignment cop
Confirming who I have is useless if you guys lynch me and mafia take out the rest of the dt's(granted of course the second lynch is wrong, and it might be.). We need to be lynching the most suscipcious people, so we'll be able to knock off at least one kp. Right now, lowering the kp is the number one priority.
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Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"...
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United States4053 Posts
On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"...
he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate
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On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate
*facepalm*
We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him....
Infinite, who did you check again.
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Just read the Meepak analysis. I've been suspicious of him every since his little burst of activity during Day 2, but I figured that Day 3's early DT reveal would quash any real discussion as mafia were going to hop aboard the "lets get brownie points for killing our own members" train, while blues with information roles would play quiet, because their daily objective was already satisfied.
But that's not really how D3 played out, so I'm kinda thrown for a loop.
Anyways, started writing this before a game of lol and I just refreshed to see that people are asking for meepak to roleclaim. Unless he's going to be killed, roleclaiming without a purpose is irrelevant.
But then I played another game and he's roleclaimed something completely unverifiable, and something that gives him an excuse for not being hit at night.
We've got a few suspects being bantered about, but it seems like people are discussing them alone, instead of in comparison with each other. Also: given the level of mrus, we might seriously want to think about whether or not double lynching will help us.
Thusfar we have 4 of 19 players infected by mrus. Given the 3 immunities, it would seem that we actually have 7 total infections up until this point. This gives an average infection rate of a bit over 2 per night, and an average immunity of 1 per night. Given that we've had 2 plague doctors die, I'd assume we have 1 left. This means some of the immunities which have popped up may have been self immunities granted by certain roles. Because of this its around 33% likely that we get another immunity.
So:
Tonight: 19 -> 17 players.
During the night we've had an average of 3-4 deaths per night. Lets say 3 for charity's sake.
Night 17->14
That's approximately a chopping of our numbers by 1/4th, so the immunities and currently infected pop will be cut by a similar amount as well. This leaves us likely at 3 infect, 2 immune. Then we add the 2 infected during the night, and we're at 14 players, 5 infected, 2 immune.
Based on this, Mrus seems to be under control for another day. It will, however, explode the night after. The only difference taken by not taking a double lynch under the lens of Mrus is that if we're relatively successful with out doc and pd coverage, we might actually be able to eek out another day, and have it not explode come day 5.
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On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again.
infundibulum is town
i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though
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On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though
It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p
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On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p
We'll keep it secret then. Perhaps we can use it to verify KtheZ or something like that.
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I'll gladly check infundibulum next night if you ask me to, but im not sure if thats the most effective use for my power. The main problem is me getting to the next night. Assuming we have 1 medic left (which is pretty true), choosing who to save is basically WIFOM.
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On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again.
At the last second, the voting was altered towards Coags favor while i wasnt at my computer so i couldnt switch around..
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Yeah, I think it would be a fantastically bad idea to lynch Pandain right now. Town's numbers are too damn low. Lynching a townie for information means that we lose another good guy and only get to WIFOM to hell and back whether or not the people who supported him are actually town.
I'm voting for Meapak and hyperbola, because I think they're mafia. It's as simple as that.
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On November 08 2010 05:19 KtheZ wrote:
I'll gladly check infundibulum next night if you ask me to, but im not sure if thats the most effective use for my power. The main problem is me getting to the next night. Assuming we have 1 medic left (which is pretty true), choosing who to save is basically WIFOM.
Please explain this post.
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kitaman27
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I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP.
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
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