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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Seriously guys? We just found the perfect screw up and you still believe him?
He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead!
Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher.
Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace.
Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something.
Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave. I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace.
There is something really shifty going on here.
How do you guys go from a dt confirming scum to suggesting we not even lynch the scum? Ace and I must have opposite alignments. Pandain and I? Not necessarily. Either you are gravely misjudging the situation or are scum as well.
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@L: no need to worry about losing 2 blues. Kitaman is surefire red. Why aren't you pointing out that this guy's role claim doesn't add up? And why are people so quick to believe he has to be telling the truth?
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imo this style of lynching based one piece of evidence that can even be interpreted multiple ways (referring to the name of kitaman's role) is why Aeres was mislynched day 2
i don't buy a kitaman lynch enough.
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And no one is making a big deal of Glasse and Nemesis bandwagon voting? This can't be happening.
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Also how convenient this is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289
On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p
So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role.
Come on this is such a sad fake claim.
He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared?
Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:14 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 10:11 Pandain wrote:
And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE
your claim of investigative role is hardly more believable than kitaman's Ya, cause mafia are definitely going to claim Trash Collector.... And he's also the one who FAKE ROLECLAIMED! Let me post this many times, in case people don't understand. We have like a surefire lynch right here. He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
He roleclaimed the wrong role.
Lets not embarrass yourself 
If I was mafia, do you honestly believe the five of us would choose the name "watcher" if we knew it could mean something else? You guys are biting on a really weak defense.
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On November 08 2010 10:22 Ace wrote:
And no one is making a big deal of Glasse and Nemesis bandwagon voting? This can't be happening.
On November 08 2010 08:52 Glasse wrote:
gonna vote for whoever has most votes, i'll reread tomorrow and maybe change stuff.
im at work, can't spend all my time analysing and shit, this is a placeholder vote for now.
i look at the thread every once in a while incase my name pops up.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:30 Ace wrote:Also how convenient this is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote:On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right?
Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it?
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Or maybe you really just messed up your fake claim? Ok so let's assume you got the wrong role name and it's supposed to be a Tracker.
Why doesn't your role tell you who I targeted last night if it's legit?
Why can't you answer that? Why can't you even address the fact that alleged your role is radically different from every other role in the game so far?
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On November 08 2010 10:32 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:30 Ace wrote:Also how convenient this is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote:On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right? Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it?
Because it's more convenient? Because Night Actions fail on the Mayor? Because if you said you tracked Dr.H on Night 2 everyone would ask why you didn't track him on Night 1 instead when it would have made more sense?
Hey, I don't know why you chose Amber. But it doesn't address the other facts here:
Your role doesn't fit with anything else in the game and you reveal 2 convenient targets to claim you watched.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:32 Ace wrote:
Or maybe you really just messed up your fake claim? Ok so let's assume you got the wrong role name and it's supposed to be a Tracker.
Why doesn't your role tell you who I targeted last night if it's legit?
Why can't you answer that? Why can't you even address the fact that alleged your role is radically different from every other role in the game so far?
Again, you are modifying my role and attacking me for not being able to adhere to your modification. I am not a tracker and do not receive information regarding who you targeted. Simple as that.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2010 10:30 Ace wrote:Also how convenient this is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote:On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote:On November 08 2010 04:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:
Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right? Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it? Because it's more convenient? Because Night Actions fail on the Mayor? Because if you said you tracked Dr.H on Night 2 everyone would ask why you didn't track him on Night 1 instead when it would have made more sense? Hey, I don't know why you chose Amber. But it doesn't address the other facts here: Your role doesn't fit with anything else in the game and you reveal 2 convenient targets to claim you watched.
Again, explain to my why Amber is a "convenient target". He is not.
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Even if you are a WATCHER you get either the names of the target or the number of targets. Both Watcher and Tracker roles involve getting the names of the targets.
If you were really either one this is what you'd see:
Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X.
Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace.
This is what you revealed:
Ace was involved in the hit last night.
How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him.
I asked which person did you track/watch me to?
You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying.
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On November 08 2010 10:07 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:56 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 09:55 L wrote:Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it. Uh, but it did prove successful. wait, are you talking about kitaman's role or Cubed's role here? Seems like both. Once I discovered the M-rus portion of Cube's role, he was essentially confirmed blue. From mafia's point of view, the claim is hyper-complex to engineer. From his point of view, he didn't even think about m-rus spreading as an argument, nor did anyone else. If mafia had thought about the trade off, someone would have made the comment very quickly. Instead, we confirmed that mafia had probably infected cubed if they have a targetted infection method, which makes sense given what we've seen in terms of the M-rus spread. If cube repeatedly targetted himself, a N1 spread to him would have been immediately stopped, whereas n2 had a spread to someone who was involved with at least 2 other people. Given the net +4 infection rate we see afterwards, its likely mrus is actually ramping up its infection speed. As for Ace's catch, I dont' see any of the standard roles working in a way other than the way they've typically worked. For mafia, a tradeoff here is optimal, but if they can get their player to avoid being hit, its game winning. They push someone off the vote train and thus get the ability to push him later if they so choose, they pick a dangerous target to them and have him eliminated asap, and they get to control not only today's targets, but also one of tomorrow's. In that environment, they'll lose 1 mafia from the fake claim after protecting today's kp, giving them a net of 2 lynch, 2kp+1, 1/1 lynch, and 1+1. This rolls out to -8 townies -1 mafia, which puts us at 11 townies, 4 mafia. But the kicker? Mrus just exploded. If mafia pick their targets and know who's infected they're less likely to get infected, which means mrus will explode for 7-9 people worth, killing maybe 1-2 mafia. At best, we're 4 town v 2 mafia. Lylo. At worst we've lost 2-4. And that's ignoring any other tricks they have up their sleeve. What's a probable trick? Their mrus spreader has mrus himself. If he's sacrificed, they don't care; he's going to die anyways. That's why I'm far more willing to kill players like Nemesis who have been keeping their heads down, because it not only plays to classic mafia strengths, but it keeps blue's attention on other players and minimizes the likelihood that they've gotten infected. Meapak as well decided to show up and post a complete non sequitur, showing he's around but that he still doesn't want to deal with the shit that's been thrown at him. That's. Fucked. Up.
Hmm did I miss something here, because I have no idea what you are talking about. What m-rus portion of Cubed's role? When did you discover it, and when did he get confirmed before he died?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:40 Ace wrote:
Even if you are a WATCHER you get either the names of the target or the number of targets. Both Watcher and Tracker roles involve getting the names of the targets.
If you were really either one this is what you'd see:
Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X.
Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace.
This is what you revealed:
Ace was involved in the hit last night.
How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him.
I asked which person did you track/watch me to?
You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying.
On November 08 2010 10:40 Ace wrote:
Even if you are a WATCHER you get either the names of the target or the number of targets. Both Watcher and Tracker roles involve getting the names of the targets.
If you were really either one this is what you'd see:
Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X.
Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace.
This is what you revealed:
Ace was involved in the hit last night.
How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him.
I asked which person did you track/watch me to?
You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying.
If that's how your watcher role worked when you mod the game, then fine. But that's not the role I received. You are my target. I receive information regarding whether or not you left your house and what type of action you performed. I was told you were involved in a hit and were responsible for spreading M-Rus.
Also, why choose Amber? You STILL can't answer that.
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Reason why I voted Ace: Meapak defended himself a while ago and i guess i can believe him
I waited for a solid person to replace him and Ace fits my criteria (solid vote!)
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@Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum.
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I don't know why you chose Amber. I said it's convenient that you chose him after he was cleared.
I did point out that you claimed to choose Inf AFTEr he said he didn't use his role and after Is said he investigated him.
Secondly you still don't understand how trackers and watchers work. It's not MY role - it's standard in every mafia game how the roles work. You choose to track or watch me - you get names back. That's it. You only have my name and nothing else. So your role can't exist. How come you are the ONLY one in the game that has a role that works differently from it's original?
And now the lurkers are voting for me. Come on, now Kenpachi is going to vote for me because Meapak "defended" himself? Can this get more obvious? As if I haven't pointed out the flaws in Kita's fake claim.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote:
@Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum.
Think about what you are suggesting though. You are certain one of the two are scum. More certain than the chances of Ace or I being scum? I don't understand your logic.
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On November 08 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote:
@Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum.
I've been saying Pandain is Scum for like what, 3 days now? But I'm just shocked that no one else is noticing these bandwagon votes coming out of no where. How many lurkers have we seen just jump out of the woodwork. Do YOU even believe Kita's claim?
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