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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
October 14 2010 05:47 GMT
#1541
Oh yeah, and that Bill Murray's interests aligned so closely with all three of the revealed vampires raises a high suspicion against his replacement, glurio.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
October 14 2010 05:47 GMT
#1542
I understand your logic, but I must admit it really takes a leap of faith to believe.
MAYBE the clue isnt the fedora, but the PINSTRIPED part. Or maybe it implies someone who WEARS a fedora, like michael jackson.
This is considering that you found noone with a hat.

Also, why would pink in a profile matter O.o
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
October 14 2010 05:48 GMT
#1543
On October 14 2010 14:43 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 14:42 KtheZ wrote:
LastArguement, REALLY? REALLY?

the assumption the trollface -> Smelly is kind of a bit.... far
and the pink bit above the head is a hat? Do you REALLY think that looks like a HAT?

Not trying to be overly defensive, but COME ON.



the trollface could imply troll (and trolls are known to smell), and your the only one I could find that had pink in their profile =(

those were the things that stood out as potential clues so I went for them.


This is the quote im replying to.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 14 2010 05:54 GMT
#1544
I think fedora is more a reference to this

Mafia Skeleton - You are a reanimated skeleton enslaved by the Capone Mafia Family! You unquestioningly serve the orders of the godfather and live in fear of the Witches wrath. Working for the mafia has put a lot of food on the table for your reanimated skeleton family and you've always liked the idea of being a gangster anyway. Skeletons look cool with fedoras and tommy guns.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 14 2010 05:54 GMT
#1545
Doctor H, I have a request, can you keep a record of everything the people will abilities did and on what days so I can look at it after this game ends?
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
spydR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia243 Posts
October 14 2010 05:54 GMT
#1546
Damn, Brute+v+GF down is awesome.
Nice Jack LSB!

Heading back out, so I'll catch up on the thread and post when I return.
#1 Eric Marienthal fanboy. Dropped engineering for this >.<
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 14 2010 05:55 GMT
#1547
On October 14 2010 14:54 aztrorisk wrote:
Doctor H, I have a request, can you keep a record of everything the people will abilities did and on what days so I can look at it after this game ends?

I already do that
RIP Aaliyah
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
October 14 2010 05:55 GMT
#1548
Ah thats smart coag. It probably is.
Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
October 14 2010 06:18 GMT
#1549
On October 14 2010 14:37 LastArgument wrote:
I would like to bring back the clue analysis I made on day 1 for fresh eyes to see
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 15:10 LastArgument wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1 Clues

People who link to Qatol’s death



#1 Shmotz
Ah, computer dating. It's like pimping, but you rarely have to use the phrase "upside your head." - Bender

Is a quote from Shmotz’ profile. I am using it to link him to the death of qatol based on this bolded area

Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces and the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust.


#2 Glasse
Has a picture of Kirby in his profile picture, and Kirby is holding a mallet/hammer.

Links to the same quote as shmotz

#3 Metalface
Picture of dr doom in his profile

Would also reference to the same method of killing.


For these three cases of qatol’s killer, #1 an #3 would laugh at the death, however #1 would have the most fitting laugh.

As such I believe based on the low amount of clues we have thus far, Shmotz killed Qatol.


I know typically from reading a bit of a few games involving clues before that day 1 clues aren't usually solid. However, I was thinking, since there are 22 mafia this game, perhaps the day 1 clues weren't as obscure. I could be wrong, but so far most of the posting has been on the guilt of two players, and i wanted a bit more information to be discussed.


As for todays analysis I will start with NB's killer

He drank something and froze and as such I think the freezing part is more likely to be a clue as it seems a rarer find. As such I guess that http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Lucktar
Is most likely the killer as his profile picture shows a block of ice around apples (stuff frozen within the ice) and a bear going after it. This seems the best connection I can find on a quick glance through everyones profile.
Divinek's profile also mentions hockey (ice rink), but he seems less connected.


Hmm, fair enough, though my pic doesn't have anything liquid as in the death description, so all you've got to go on is 'NB froze... cold... ice is cold... Lucktar!' But I'd say that whether I was scum or not. I haven't been hugely active in the thread, but I don't think I've said anything that would indicate that I'm scum, but we'll see. Not sure how to rebut a clue-based accusation other than with 'that's stupid clue analysis.' Not incredibly compelling. But whatever, take from it what you will.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
October 14 2010 06:22 GMT
#1550
Deaths:
bumatlarge: Killed by Thin,gaunt man, "appears to be a scholar of some sort"
LSB: Meowing sound, skull crushed.\
youngminii: Exploded by LSB
Rebirthoflegend: Smelly killer, wore a pinstriped fedora hat.
NB: Death by drinking ice-poison
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 14 2010 06:22 GMT
#1551
It seems a lot has happened since I last checked.

It seems that there are at least 2 ghost since there were only 4 kills. Looks like our KAWAAAIIII ghosts were able to save someone.

Veldril is pretty much confirmed 99% Vampire.

With 4 vampires dead and only 1 mafia dead, I would suggest that we save veldril for later.

Since the win condition of mafia is to kill vampire, we can probably save a lynch for veldril, and I think that we should be looking for more of mafia but since we can't really differentiate between them unless DT checks, we still have better chances if we look for a new target to lynch.

I haven't checked who the clues might refer to as it would take a bit of time looking through everyone's profile. I'll do it tomorrow after I sleep.

I suggest that we look at people who voted but didn't post a lot since there is bound to be a red hiding among them trying to keep a low profile.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 14 2010 06:28 GMT
#1552
With 4 vampires dead and only 1 mafia dead, I would suggest that we save veldril for later.


actually 3 vamps are dead and 1 mafia

I suggest we take out a vamp because if we take one more out, they lose a KP. If we take out Vendril, then we can focus on mafia
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
October 14 2010 06:31 GMT
#1553
I say we take out the guy who replaced Bill Murray.
oddo123
Profile Joined October 2009
Iceland134 Posts
October 14 2010 06:35 GMT
#1554
On October 14 2010 15:31 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I say we take out the guy who replaced Bill Murray.


Agreed, I want to see if BM is really a JoL like he claims. Just for kicks.
Imma lead farmer, motherfucka!~ T: TLO P: InCa Z: Sen
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
October 14 2010 06:38 GMT
#1555
The thing about Veldril = Vampire is, both the nightkilled vampires (youngminii and bumatlarge) vehemently raised suspicion against veldril. Bumatlarge pained veldril as a more important target than masq, and youngminii just kept accusing veldril.

bumatlarge
On October 12 2010 14:25 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 14:12 QuickStriker wrote:
Hey guys,

I realized when I was up here yesterday, it was like page 12 and now in one day, it went 22 pages. Wow, what a long fast moving game!

So I finally took the time to just skim (not read carefully, just skim) thru the pages. (There's no way I can put myself spending hours to see every word everyone said). But I got the basic message and seeing from the voting thread, it seems the majority of people here are voting off Veldril or Masq, even though it seems everyone is agreeing both are red people.

Honestly, I'm not sure who to pick right now, I'm looking over the clues and what most of you said but I still get this feeling that it's very vague.... there needs to be a better convincing bandwagon trend where everyone just rushes off and agree to vote off one player instead of split between townies. That won't bring us victory if we aren't unified as one! Teamwork!!!!!!


Have to agree here, I've almost been afraid to post with the likelyhood of missing something important after skimming. But I disagree with the "everyone vote for one person" because then mafia are pushing it also, that shouldn't happen. Since neither player has a vast majority, I think it's safe to say one of them should be non-townie at least. So I'm going vendril based on I felt his defense of masq fairly weak, and townies generally dont defend random strangers with very little information. If vendril pops scum, it should be safe to say masq is same-line scum.

On October 12 2010 14:34 bumatlarge wrote:
I mean Veldril balls...

Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides.




youngminii
On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop

by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq
On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.

What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.


I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence.

Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting.

And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day.

And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing.

Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this.
On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.


Bill Murray, before being modkilled, also vehemently argued for lynching veldril and keeping masq alive to "play both sides."

On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril.

I suggest this: protect him.
Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition.

Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides.



But then again, bumatlarge immediately switched sides once the outcome became apparent:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.

If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.

Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.


However, he wanted this post to be known. It apparently seems he wanted to hide his past support of Masq 0.0

On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 09:08 orgolove wrote:
All right. I updated the spreadsheet with everybody's current votes, voting patterns (changes), smurf lists, suspicious patterns etc.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html


I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important



So all these signs point toward Veldril -not- being one of the vampires.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
October 14 2010 06:43 GMT
#1556
You know what, I agree with you orgo. I'd rather vote on BM's replacement that veldril. We could always save him for later.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 14 2010 07:02 GMT
#1557
Hmm, now that you pointed that out, I am inclined that you might have a point. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent especially with his bad posting and also fitting the clue of
he could feel cold steel from every direction of his body


As for the clues, here are my analysis so far:
I don't think there was anything else in that NB clue except for ice. I could only find one thing related to ice. Maybe someone who has more time can find a subtle hint of something chilly.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Lucktar

For RebirthLegend's death, it could be something to do with bathroom or some kind of bad smell, or the pinstripped fedora. I could only find one thing for bad smell.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kingjames01
Zombies have rotten decaying flesh which smells extremely bad.


But honestly, I wouldn't put too much trust into lynching by clues as the clues point to multiple people. We got lucky with a painfully obvious clue. I think that as the game goes on though, if we can connect someone with at least 2 clues then there is a good chance that they might be red.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 14 2010 07:05 GMT
#1558
Hmm actually, now that I think about it, veldril not dying in the night phase is kind of a bit suspicious. We all thought he was teamed with masq, and masq turned out to be a vampire. It is in the best interest of the mafia to kill the vampire, and somehow veldril survives the day. I am guessing that even if veldril is not a vampire, there is a good chance that he's mafia.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
October 14 2010 07:09 GMT
#1559
Yep. I haven't seen any indication that he is not mafia, other than the godfather NB calling for his lynch AFTER it was basically confirmed that masq would die.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
October 14 2010 07:42 GMT
#1560
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.

1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire.
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