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On October 12 2010 15:48 jaminz wrote:
I forgot to do this, but here is a list of the players with zero posts as well:
CKSide 0
Therick 0
TheMunkey 0
Kuja900 0
Lexpar 0
AirbladeOrange 0
kenpachi 0
HeavOnEarth 0
kingjames01 0
Neos 0
goldfishs 0
Zeraghul 0
chesshaha 0
KhrisKruel 0
l0st_romantic 0
grandmoose 0
Iankill 0
Yogy 0
Node 0
mptj 0
I striked out all the people who were modkilled or weren't given access to the forums yet to leave people who voted but did not post.
Can someone update how many post people have?
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EDIT the above post.
To clarify point 3, only Bum and Youngminii fervently want me lynched. LSB is killed by a vampire because he's a veteran and vampire knows he is not in his team.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
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On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote:
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.
1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire.
On October 14 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:
EDIT the above post.
To clarify point 3, only Bum and Youngminii fervently want me lynched. LSB is killed by a vampire because he's a veteran and vampire knows he is not in his team.
1) Are you saying you were saved by a ghost night 1? please confirm
2) Are you saying you have been poisoned night 1? please confirm
FOr both of these, please don't speculate. you are either 100% sure or not.
3) all 3 of those people are dead
5) I agree
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edit by way of post:
I forgot 4...
Vedril, point 3 and 5 completely contradict each other.
4) all 3 of those people are dead
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Hey Dr. H, can you replace d3_crescentia with ghrur in the list on the front page? Thanks
Note: These numbers may be slightly off due to the search function not always displaying exactly how many posts a person has per thread. I checked a few times f, and these were the numbers I found.
Players with Strikes through their names are dead. Notes in parentheses.
Post Count, as of page 79:
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1. deconduo 9
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
3. coagulation 106
4. jodogohoo 46
5. orgolove 101
6. pandain 37
7. southrawrea 8
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
9. KtheZ 19
10. oddo123 12
11. bumatlarge 15
12. quickstriker 14
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
15. zerroth 0
16. NB 80
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
18. YummyBlaBla 19
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
20. Lexpar 21
21. ~OpZ~ 4
22. SiNiquity 7
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
24. Lucktar 5
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
26. Masq 5 (lynched Day1)
27. kenpachi 1
28. youngminii 57
29. HeavOnEarth 1
30. kingjames01 8
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
33. Flicky 3
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
37. spydR 18
38. Hyperbola 3
39. MetalFace 6
40. l0st_romantic 2
41. Aeres 14
42. ShmotZ 24
43. Hittegods 1
44. Veldril 25
45. grandmoose 2
46. LastArgument 6
47. jcarlsoniv 62
48. annul 37
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
50. seRaPh 65
51. aztrorisk 98
52. Glasse 42
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
54. LSB 31
55. Kpyolysis32 43
56. Nemesis 15
57. Yogy 1
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
60. thegilaboy 32
61. CubEdIn 36
In order from most posts to least:
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3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
4. jodogohoo 46
55. Kpyolysis32 43
52. Glasse 42
48. annul 37
6. pandain 37
61. CubEdIn 36
60. thegilaboy 32
54. LSB 31
44. Veldril 25
42. ShmotZ 24
20. Lexpar 21
9. KtheZ 19
18. YummyBlaBla 19
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
37. spydR 18
11. bumatlarge 15
56. Nemesis 15
41. Aeres 14
12. quickstriker 14
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
10. oddo123 12
1. deconduo 9
30. kingjames01 8
7. southrawrea 8
22. SiNiquity 7
46. LastArgument 6
39. MetalFace 6
24. Lucktar 5
26. Masq 5 (Lynched Day 1)
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
21. ~OpZ~ 4
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
33. Flicky 3
38. Hyperbola 3
45. grandmoose 2
40. l0st_romantic 2
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
29. HeavOnEarth 1
43. Hittegods 1
27. kenpachi 1
57. Yogy 1
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
15. zerroth 0
Top Posters:
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3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
Players with 0 posts but who have voted:
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31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
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I want to vote for BM's replacement, but I can't help thinking it's sort-of unfair.
Why? Well, if you read the mafia ban list thread, you'll see that:
1. BM threatened to reveal ALL his PMs
2. DrH was "shocked" about him doing this.
Now, of course, I know that DrH could be shocked because BM is a veteran, and he shouldn't have acted like that, sure, but also, he could have been surprised because revealing his PMs would ruin the game.
And it would only ruin the game if he were M/V, and he got a lot of PMs from the other team members.
Also, BM claimed to have >70 PMs, why would a townie have so many PMs?
I don't know. I'd like NOT to vote for him, for the sake of the "good-game-spirit", but in my head, I'm 90% sure he is M/V.
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Now that I've done all that.....
I think it's pretty suspicious that 3 players have no posts in this thread, but have each voted. One of which (Therick) has alread cast a vote (for Veldril) for Day 2. I'm not saying they are for sure scum, but we should keep an eye on them. Lying low is one thing, not posting at all and still voting is another.
With respect to the whole Veldril thing, I think that we haven't done a good enough job analyzing the clues & people's reactions yet to make a definite decision. I think we should look back at the Day 1 clues, as the one that implicated Masq was very obvious. Maybe the other clues were just as obvious, and so we should look to who they point to (one of them pointing to Veldril, among others).
I'm open to discussion about anything. I hope the post count helps, because damn did it take a long time.
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On October 14 2010 18:28 KhrisKruel wrote:
edit by way of post:
I forgot 4...
Vedril, point 3 and 5 completely contradict each other.
4) all 3 of those people are dead
For point 1-2, it just a possibilities. No one knows am I poisoned or protected or not. If I'm poison then only Vampires know, if I'm protected only ghost who protected me knows.
Actually, point 5 is a consequence of point 3. I have drawn so much attention, leads to high possibility of being a vampire or mafia, leads to likely being voted for lynching, leads to using night kill for other targets.
For point 4, what I means is that those 3 people are better target for night 1. So instead of killing me, mafia kills Youngminii and Bum instead. LSB's could be killed by a vampire or a Mafia.
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Correcting the last paragraph, explaining point 4.
Actually, after a careful reading, only Bum is killed by a Mafia since Young is killed by LSB's bomb. So the obvious night kills are:
Bum -----> Killed by a Mafia for sure.
LSB -----> Killed by either a Mafia or a Vampire, however it is very likely he is died by a vampire because he voted for Masq.
NB ----> Killed by a Vampire for sure.
RisingDragon ------> Killed by either a Mafia or a Vampire. 50% chance. Also, he did not vote in day 1.
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On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote:
And Masq turns out to be a vampire...
If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now.
Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia.
All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night.
Can you explain this?
If you were a townie, how would your death strengthen the mafia?
To me this is basically a vampire claim
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Speculation, but Looking at the clues from bumatlarge's murder:
Somewhere deep in the town, bumatlarge was sitting alone at a bar at midnight. He wasn't alone, there was another man sitting in the corner. The man stared at bum, making him nervous and jittery. As he started pounding down more drinks the man approached him. He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort. The man finally spoke
"Excuse me sir, I believe you've had too much to drink. Do you need a ride home?"
I flicked through people's profiles and found this in one of the videos from seRapH's profile:
I was originally trying to look for something to link the Whiskey and NB's death, but being drunk matches Bumatlarge's death description very accurately. IF this means anything, we'll be looking at a mafia instead of vampire kill. This is a BIG "IF"
The obvious link on the surface here is the whole drinking/drunk theme, though to look at it more closely:
What convinces me more than anything is that:
-'hit' is a mafia term, while the victim was a vampire
-The description says the man waited and watched the victim 'pounding down more drinks' and the song uses the primer "after you've been..."
-Again the tense "While" you were drunk from the video matches "as he started..."
What I don't like:
This totally ignores "He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort" as far as I can see which looks like an important clue. Perhaps a herring?
I feel the tense speculation is over-analyzing.
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On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote:
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.
1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire.
How do you know you are poisoned? As far as the rules go, the mod never informs you if you're poisoned - only if you die of the poison. DrH can confirm this.
Such lies can only serve to hurt the town by asking the ghost to protect you. What do you have to hide?
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On October 14 2010 19:04 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote:
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.
1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire. How do you know you are poisoned? As far as the rules go, the mod never informs you if you're poisoned - only if you die of the poison. DrH can confirm this. Such lies can only serve to hurt the town by asking the ghost to protect you. What do you have to hide?
Each number in that list is a possibility, not a certainty orgolove.
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On October 14 2010 18:56 KhrisKruel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote:
And Masq turns out to be a vampire...
If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now.
Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia.
All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night. Can you explain this? If you were a townie, how would your death strengthen the mafia? To me this is basically a vampire claim
Basically, it is because by lynching me, Mafia has nothing to lose.
If I'm green, it just at worst a miss but they would not lose a member and maintain 2 more members than a vampire. They can even trace back and analyze to find more possible vampire's member by looking at voting and posting on day 1 relating to accusing me.
If I'm a vampire, then basically they reduce the KP of vampire down by 1, and has 3 more members than vampire. That means vampire would be less likely to kill Mafia on Night 2 because they can only kill 2 people, while mafia can kill 3 . In this case (lynching me and I turn out to be a vampire), assuming that they both kill each others perfectly, vampire would be reduce to 4 people but Mafia would be only reduce 8, gaining even more leading.
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I really can't justify any of BM's actions, I don't know how he could, if true, accumulate so many PMs.
One would think I would receive some PMs from people that stood in contact with BM, so far not even a handful of people have contacted me.
Also I'd like to point out something from last night, it's the reason im going to vote for Veldril.
He being a Vampire is nearly confirmed, it's a sure kill which will bring down the killing power of the Vamps by 1.
On October 14 2010 10:29 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote:
And Masq turns out to be a vampire...
If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now.
Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia.
All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night. o shit i missed that .. o well i didnt have much doubt about it anyway
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BM PM'd everyone in the game and chased up responses very rapidly. 60 PMs with 50+ responses and then followups on many of those from 1 round of PMs makes me think it's very likely he's accumulated that many PMs
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Veldril is english your first language?
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I am now caught up in the game. My main suspects are:
Veldril - nearly confirmed vampire
Glurio - nearly confirmed mafia (sorry glurio for replacing in like this)
I'll make a long post explaining why in my next post.
Other than those two are just hunches and I haven't done much analysis. We can only lynch one person at a time so rather not distract from their lynching.
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On October 14 2010 19:11 KhrisKruel wrote:
Veldril is english your first language?
No, I'm Thai.... and I'm at work too so I have to type hastily without re-checking grammars and vocabulary.
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