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On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote:On August 23 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful. Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you " The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray.
that was my one true hope as well going into this draft
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On August 23 2010 11:05 Radfield wrote:
Also, looks like Brownbear took 1,1, since presumably JeeJee stuck with 1,1. And I assume Divinek took 2,1 with DTA.
I took 20,20.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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On August 24 2010 06:21 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote:On August 23 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful. Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you " The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray. that was my one true hope as well going into this draft
At this point you might as well stick to the list. Also, take the RNG part seriously - we need doctors and the meth man threat.
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On August 24 2010 07:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 06:21 Divinek wrote:On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote:On August 23 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful. Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you " The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray. that was my one true hope as well going into this draft At this point you might as well stick to the list. Also, take the RNG part seriously - we need doctors and the meth man threat.
oh dont worry i stuck to the plan, even after the draft list changed i re RNG'd my role
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4 hours till deadline is up. If you don't send in a PM you will be stuck with your Vanilla role PM.
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On August 23 2010 21:15 Ace wrote:oops, new draft order ^_^
- rastaban
- chaoser
- LSB
- Hesmyrr
- zeks
- jspazz
- Fishball
- ~Opz~
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- Divinek
- Radfield
- Bill Murray
- bumatlarge
- Pandain
- siNiquity
- SouthRawrea
Putting this on the current page so no one misses it (like I almost did!)
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Also, Pandain could you post your number? I'm wondering if the updated list is correct. <3
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No it's not correct, good thing you mentioned that to me. With so many number changes I mistyped your name. New list coming soon.
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On August 24 2010 07:38 SiNiquity wrote:
Also, Pandain could you post your number? I'm wondering if the updated list is correct. <3
I actually switched mine and had 9,7
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On August 24 2010 07:43 Ace wrote:
No it's not correct, good thing you mentioned that to me. With so many number changes I mistyped your name. New list coming soon.
No....... you can't expect me to get mason a third time in a row!
*cry*
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Ok this should be it.
- rastaban
- chaoser
- LSB
- Hesmyrr
- zeks
- SouthRawrea
- jspazz
- Fishball
- ~Opz~
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek
- Radfield
- Bill Murray
- bumatlarge
- Pandain
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lol i have no idea how this system works 
hesmyrr picked 7 i picked 8 how did southrawrea get in between us two
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:-) resent. Hopefully this is it...
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Citi.zen's Post+ Show Spoiler +On August 23 2010 23:55 citi.zen wrote:
I like the probabilistic nature of the list, but still fret about how the mafia/Sk can take advantage of it.
Some concerns:
1. "Reserved" roles.
Lower drafting mafia (and the SK, for that matter) can take whatever role they want and claim they didn't get any role. For example, grab any of Pardoner / Floridian(great for SK) / Role Blocker / God Father then say "uhhh... I went for a defensive role but it was taken". I know Radfield said he's not too concerned with these roles, but to me they are a HUGE deal late game - think of all the missed lynches we can have. They are, after all, in the game to help the mafia. It's true that in principle we could verify "plain vanilla" claims, but in reality sorting it out will take too long & the mafia can always justify their claim based on how dead people flipped. So all these roles are too safe for the mafia to grab for my liking.
2. Blue sniping.
The list still makes finding investigative roles quite easy once the lynchings start. Once the meth man is dead th SK can get a very clear hit list with likely bullet bill and the tracker candidates.
I cannot emphasize this enough: once the drafting phase is over, don't start claiming your roles in the thread unless yo are 100% sure it leads to catching a liar. You might think claiming what you got or didn't get does you no harm, but remember it will also reveal information about other players.
3. The list.
For me there are two key town investigative roles: bullet bill and tracker. These are great roles to find mafia and the only ones to detect the SK. The alignment cop is also important, but given their uncertain sanity + inability to detect SK/GF it's a lot weaker in my book. I'd suggest prioritizing bullet bill over all other investigative roles, placing tracker next on our list and leaving the alignment cop for last.
Finally, please don't just feel like you are doing your job at this stage by using an RNG and calling it a day. Help us improve this plan by thinking critically, or we'll be screwed later on.
First off, something we need to be very careful of: If we follow this plan, no one can reveal if they got, or did not get the role they went for. DO NOT STATE IF YOU GET YOUR ROLE OR NOT. Posting that you are vanilla gives the mafia the information they need to hunt down our powerful investigative roles. It's very important that everyone's role, or lack of a role, is kept hidden, at least for the first part of the game.
Citizen, remember that by leaving those roles(Pardoner, Floridian, RB, GF) for the mafia, we also gain another powerful investigative role in the rolecop. Which takes us from BB and tracker, to BB, tracker and rolecop. So I think it turns out fairly neutral both ways; If they choose to go after the more powerful roles, then we also get a more powerful rolecop.
Again, no one should be claiming what they did or did not get in the thread. The exception to this would be if you were pick 5 and went for rolecop (or pick6 and joat, or pick7 and Bullet Bill) and the role was already taken. Since you are the first person available to take that role(according to the plan), it means a mafia must be in front of you, and swiped the role.
On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And also, Radfield, you seem to be in the same mindset as PYP 1. Weren't you SK that game?
My recommendation would be for Radfield to be tracked night one. BM to be Bullet Billed. If there is a watcher, I'd say watch Radfield, and I would be more than happy to request medic protection on him.
I would look into Fishball also, but knowing what I know about Fishball, I wouldn't expect too much from him til later in the game.
<3 Fishball
I was SK that game, and my plan was to play extremely pro-town, which I did with stunning success. So much success, that the mafia Day-Vigged me. So if you're trying to say I seem extremely pro-town, then thanks  But you raise a good point, at no time can anyone be confirmed to be non-SK solely through their actions. The SK should look like a townie, because it's in the SK's best interest to kill off the mafia.
Also, If you truly think I'm the Serial Killer, you would try to keep me around, not try to kill me off. I made cases against and lynched a mafia on both Day 1 and Day 2 in PYP1, as well as soaking up a hit from the mafia.
At pick #16 I don't need medic protection. Honestly, chances are I'll end up vanilla, which means it's my job to take hits. If I last past night 2, then we can start burning up investigative night actions on me.
It's far too early to be trying to place night actions anyways. We still have 48hours before day 1 ends, and 72 hours before those night actions need to be in place. Plenty of time to scum hunt.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
The draft order flipping around seriously hurts my plan Chances of people not working off the right number becomes a concern.
Doesn't really matter though, there should be enough redundancy that we get the roles we need anyways.
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On August 23 2010 15:43 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm also going to be voting you this entire game until you die.
Add dk and me to the list then. Terrible plan + relatively high number for yourself? I had no problem leaving my number [6][1] unchanged and "taking one for the team" to make sure you were @ the bottom. Worst part is, the plan was so bad and your self-interest so well represented (anyone else steals my # and I'm going to lynch them!) that 3 people thought it worthwhile to sacrifice their pick to bring you to the bottom. 
So bury the hatchet before you bury yourself with it.
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Bm is only ok as Mafia, otherwise he's disruptive or worse. Would be ok lynching him... why not :-)
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