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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On August 23 2010 21:15 Ace wrote: oops, new draft order ^_^
I don't think this is reflected on the OP? | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: If by "random ass roles" you mean the very non-random percentages i've layed out at each spot, then yes. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other I went by this list to roll for my role for everyones information. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
=P [17][1] here. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
Some concerns: 1. "Reserved" roles. Lower drafting mafia (and the SK, for that matter) can take whatever role they want and claim they didn't get any role. For example, grab any of Pardoner / Floridian(great for SK) / Role Blocker / God Father then say "uhhh... I went for a defensive role but it was taken". I know Radfield said he's not too concerned with these roles, but to me they are a HUGE deal late game - think of all the missed lynches we can have. They are, after all, in the game to help the mafia. It's true that in principle we could verify "plain vanilla" claims, but in reality sorting it out will take too long & the mafia can always justify their claim based on how dead people flipped. So all these roles are too safe for the mafia to grab for my liking. 2. Blue sniping. The list still makes finding investigative roles quite easy once the lynchings start. Once the meth man is dead th SK can get a very clear hit list with likely bullet bill and the tracker candidates. I cannot emphasize this enough: once the drafting phase is over, don't start claiming your roles in the thread unless yo are 100% sure it leads to catching a liar. You might think claiming what you got or didn't get does you no harm, but remember it will also reveal information about other players. 3. The list. For me there are two key town investigative roles: bullet bill and tracker. These are great roles to find mafia and the only ones to detect the SK. The alignment cop is also important, but given their uncertain sanity + inability to detect SK/GF it's a lot weaker in my book. I'd suggest prioritizing bullet bill over all other investigative roles, placing tracker next on our list and leaving the alignment cop for last. Finally, please don't just feel like you are doing your job at this stage by using an RNG and calling it a day. Help us improve this plan by thinking critically, or we'll be screwed later on. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Do you see why I said don't make your numbers public? FoS everyone above me that did not post their numbers. And if Ace doesn't let me repick Day Vig? I'm killing BM first thing with the openining of the day. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
For his shitty plan that probably gave the mafia EVERYONE's numbers and the top four picks. HIGH FIVE GUYS!! | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:48 bumatlarge wrote: [9][3] dont see how giving numbers would help scum now, but it would help town to see who was eager to position themselves on that list X_X No sir. Now is a good time to post your numbers. Before hand was a bad time. Our numbers should have been secret to this point. That's why BM needs to die. Obv. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful. Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you "The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote: Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you "The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. I just realized that any "list" suggestions made today look like I am trying to shift roles around now that I know the draft order, something nobody would have any reason to trust at this point. So, while I continue to have my reservations, I don't know that we can do much at this point. Ideally there would be some threat of picking pro-mafia roles at some point (could also nicely "bisect" the list into two sub-sets so we'd know where the mafia roles likely hide) + the bullet bill and tracker would be higher priority. At this point it probably is what it is though. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
 . Time to repick... 5-10 here we go! Also, Opz is very likely serial killer as he seems to be disregarding the plan without too much reasons as to why. Doubt he's mafia though(wouldn't be this outright defiant.) | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: If by "random ass roles" you mean the very non-random percentages i've layed out at each spot, then yes. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other I had some plans for how we should do role choices but after comparing it to this listing I think this may be the better way to go. My thought was to clump roles into groups and then assign the groups numbers each person would then RNG there group and select from the list based on where in the listing they were at (if you were lower pick the weaker options, higher pick the priority options. I think it would net us les vanilla townies, but it could possibly mean that some of the critical roles got missed. I still think it is viable but losing out on a rolecop might be too big a loss which I feel is why Radfield overemphasized the key roles so much. I think we may get a more vanillas with his plan, but since it is already decided on and it seems like we will be guaranteed to pick up the critical roles we should go with it. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
EBWOP: My thought was to clump roles into groups and then assign the groups numbers. Each person would then RNG a number and select from the group. Based on your location in the picking order you would select the appropriate option. (if you were lower pick the weaker options, higher pick the stronger options.) I think it would net us less vanilla townies, but it could possibly mean that some of the critical roles got missed. I can explain more if anyone would like an alternative to the current plan. There are different benefits based on how the groups are setup and how many options are in each group. I was leaning towards 3 roles a group with checker and defenders in a group to allow for group claiming possibly mafia bating. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote: Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you "The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray. Instead, I would like to promote him as our first lynch candidate. His idea to number claim before the draft list was insanely unhelpful for the town, and insanely beneficial for the mafia. It gave the mafia the same opportunity I took to move up in the draft list. Foolish. First order of business would be to lynch someone that didn't number claim. Mafia of course would of had at least one person claim, and since BM is famous for unbeneficial plans, why not have him do it? Maybe an inactive would be a better choice, but everyone is clearly active since the draft HAS happened, and the roles MUST be picked. So activity should not be an issue. Also, looking at the list of players, primarily vets and high activity poster (regardless of quality), Activity should be far from concern. Anyone not posting is clearly trying to lay low this game. And also, Radfield, you seem to be in the same mindset as PYP 1. Weren't you SK that game? My recommendation would be for Radfield to be tracked night one. BM to be Bullet Billed. If there is a watcher, I'd say watch Radfield, and I would be more than happy to request medic protection on him. I would look into Fishball also, but knowing what I know about Fishball, I wouldn't expect too much from him til later in the game. <3 Fishball | ||
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