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Pandain
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I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number). So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 21 2010 09:22 DarthThienAn wrote: I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol. Theres a 3/4 chance that the doctor will NOT be sane/normal. You have to take that into account as well. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 21 2010 09:19 Pandain wrote: I've just decided that if we do plan out our numbers, it means that we won't neccesarily get all our roles perfect (going with radfields percent chance thing) but mafia will CERTAINLY get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigi.) I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number). So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue. Clarifying this. Mass roleclaiming can lead to a situation where we as town do not get all the roles we want while letting mafia get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigilante.) Why? Right now the plan consists of just making sure WE(town) get the good roles, while letting mafia get their good roles. If we all mass roleclaim, mafia will be able to not overlap with everyone, thereby getting each role they want. I agree that we should still have the plan Radfield went with, just perhaps from 13-20 be it a free zone where the remainder of the people can claim any number. And these people will NOT say which number they picked. Some new thoughts: What if the people from 3-11 choose their mafia thing instead. This means that theres even a LESS chance of getting the roles we want. As always, please comment/critique this. I am often fallible  | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:32 Radfield wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness So we take the three most dangerous roles as the first 3 picks. We use Comp Vig as the double lynch, we use Bad Santa solely for it's investigative powers, and not it's KP. Prince of Darkness never gets used. If Prince of Darkness gets used, then we have a sure-fire lynch. If extra KP from the bad santa is getting used(which should be obvious since we should never have 4 deaths in a night if the Joat holds his shot appropriately), then we lynch the bad santa. Either way though, this keeps vital mafia roles in known hands. We should NOT pick bad santa for second. They can still get 2 kills from bad santa if they pick themselves on one of the list. Actually @ Ace, if Bad Santa dies and he's still on list, then does he still get to kill a second person. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 21 2010 23:17 Radfield wrote: The idea was that a particular pick(in this case #3) takes the Prince of Darkness. That way we know where it is. If it ever gets used, we lynch whoever is pick #3 You're right. We can't have both public numbers, and a plan to organize picks. If I'm going to decide which roles are getting picked at what draft number(no one else is really weighing in too much on it), then we can't have public picks. Given that I'm unconfirmed, I could manipulate the pick order to benefit the mafia. This means there is no way any town player can have faith that I'm not manipulating the order, so there's no reason for anyone to have faith in the role picking plan. Given that it's far more important for the town to have a role picking plan, then to have public numbers, we should drop the public numbers, and all just RNG a number(Or privately pick a number). It's also important that we hammer out the details of the plan before the draft order becomes public, because at that point we run into the same problem. I will be RNGing my pick, I recommend others do the same. The benefits of publicly claiming numbers was always very minimal to town anyways. Heck no, we need to do this to ensure 1. We get good roles 2. we get comp vigi. The only good thing about your plan is really that it makes it so mafia is unsure as to who will pick what. doesn't really matter, as people are claiming roles. Again, i don't see how you being mafia will even hurt it, as your plan is solid and only hurts the mafia. Again, we have bullet bill. If someone picks a non designated role, their mafia. You have no control over who picks what, only what they pick. And as long as the town agrees, we have no worries over that. Also, fun suscipision time.(just for bragging rights in case i'm right.) + Show Spoiler + Out of these 3, one is innocent, 50% chance one is mafia, and 1 is mafia. Divinek Citizen Darth Just speculation fella's. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
"Doesn't really matter, as people are claiming NUMBERS" | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 00:40 DarthThienAn wrote: Are you trying to say kill from the grave or something? Indeed | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 00:43 DarthThienAn wrote: Can you explain why controlling the draft order helps us? If mafia tries to screw with the draft order and try to get the roles they want, then we can tell who screwed with it because they will have picked the same number as anothe rperson, thereby being pushed back in the draft order. A good way of ensuring we get good roles. Ideally, mafia will be forced to pick town aligned roles, but they will probably try to get mafia-aligned roles from 13-onwards. That's why we have role cop and bullet bill which will allow us to identify them and pin them as mafia. | ||
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Pandain
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I already have a huge FoS on you, don't make it more so. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 01:16 citi.zen wrote: 1. It doesn't. 2. I still think comp vigi needs to by day 1 lynch. If it's me I'll gladly offer myself for that. 1. Please clarify why it doesn't. 2. The wording of your second sentence confuses me. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 01:52 SouthRawrea wrote: My numbas haz been changed my fellows. Regardless of anything Radfield says, any role except traitor would be beneficial to town as it either takes a role away from mafia or gets us a good role. Priorities are the only thing we can concentrate on rather than pro-town or pro-mafia roles. There really isn't a way in which we can secure the first picks for ourself either as some have already mentioned. SK and Mafia can just pick an earlier number without us knowing. We cannot let mafia know both the draft order and the order of our choosing. If they do, they become familiar with the roles of certain people which will allow them to more easily pin-point the good townie roles. (Essentially: Revealing part of our hand makes it easier for blue snipes. It's like Blackjack where you kinda get an idea of how well the other player is doing based on the card that he has flipped) I'm sorry, but almost everything here in my opinion is wrong and illogical. 1. The mafia does NOT want us to know the draft order and order of our choosing. It's more of a benefit for town than it is for mafia. 2.The bolded sentence is also wrong. As I have said, if mafia tries to sneak in an earlier member than we can tell so(and know they're mafia) because they will go to the bottom of the draft order. I agree however that it makes it SOMEWHAT easier for blue snipes, but with radfields percentage chance even that is negated(aka 50% chance of bullet proof or vet, meaning they will waste a hit > )Better arguments, or claim now. Growing impatient as time grows short, forgive me. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 02:20 DarthThienAn wrote: A good argument I am happy I never said making my own plan, I am going along with Radfield's plan. The only difference is we publically claim the number's we're picking. 1-12 have already been picked(i think, almost all of them) It is true that we can catch mafia/sk if they try to double up with someone early on, but other than that, I don't really see the advantages to this plan. All it takes is them not doubling up/sticking to what they claim. YES! Meaning that mafia will either have to take pro town roles, which don't help them in either case. but if they want to have mafia roles than they will have to double up > . Good for town.Also, forgive me. I was probably looking for darth when I checked it and didn't see you there. I now see "DTA". Yay | ||
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Pandain
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I want to hear why these people are not claiming, or huge FoS on them. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 03:38 zeks wrote: sorry for double post the #1 draft pick taking CV should be no brainer i agree with that, but other than that we should somewhat follow the chain of role importance (as posted from rasta/radfield) loosely. If we follow it 100% then we might as well have mass roleclaimed hope to hear all the number claims before we start the game You have to remember its all by percentage. So the mafia knows which general range the(i.e.) role cop could be, but they also have a chance of hitting a vet/bulletproof.(50%, if im correct) | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 04:06 LSB wrote: Oh whoops, first readthrough I didn't get it. I agree with Radfield's plan. But why is Day Vig a mafia role? Go reread Radfield's thing. Basically he's like "Adds kp, kp is bad in this setup because of error." More urgent, why haven't people claimed. And perhaps more importantly, why is the thread only consist of like 8 people. How long has this been going on? 24 hours? | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote: Perhaps I am dense, but here are some concerns: 1. We have no reason to think the mafia get lower numbers using this method. I have no idea of anyone's alignment on that list. 2. A mafia with a "pro-town" role can screw us up forever. A dt can claim anything about their sanity. A tracker can frame anyone. These roles are by no means "useless to the mafia", on the contrary. 3. I HATE the thought that the mafia will have a very easy time sniping blues, and may even reserve desired roles for themselves through an assured draft order & influencing the dicussion of who picks what. 4. Why are we not even discussing lynching the comp vig? It lowers the numer of dead people each night, which as far as I can tell helps the town have more time to figure things out. So no, I will not follow Bill Murray and Pandain's request to announce anything at this time. #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role Blue sniping will be very risky for them. And mafia willl not get desired roles for themselves, and if they do then role cop/bullet bill will find them easily. There are no DT's, there are alignment cops if you mean. But that's why they are not an essential role. And that will be at the very least by ~day3, as how would they know their sanity before than? If a tracker lies, we catch him and he's dead. As for the first statement, it confuses me. Clarify? | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 06:02 SouthRawrea wrote: 2/9. I was lieing just in case we were going to switch plans haha. Switch it, DTA already has that. You could've always just switched your numbers if we did change plan -.- | ||
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Pandain
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On August 22 2010 06:05 SouthRawrea wrote: Okay I'll go for numero 10 and switch my other numba to be secritz. You have from 13-20. | ||
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