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On August 10 2010 11:14 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so if we lynch youngminii, maybe we get something about Chezinu? It would make more sense if Chezinu was lynched first since he was the defended person, but whatever.
If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu.
If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker.
I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again.
ya, ok
haters gonna hate
you just implicated yourself with youngminii by even typing this
if he's red, you're red, and you calling it "iffy" info on chezinu makes him likely red with you all
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On August 10 2010 11:14 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so if we lynch youngminii, maybe we get something about Chezinu? It would make more sense if Chezinu was lynched first since he was the defended person, but whatever.
If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu.
If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker.
I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again.
can you please go into detail about all the info we'll get. I wanna see if there's someone who gives the best/most info!
that and it's annoying when people say something without saying it. Anyways with that im taking my vote off chez for now...i suppose he can be investigated and such.
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he's obviously going to act like i give the most info, because he's hurt that i got him lynched in an ongoing game that i don't want to reference
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So we are going for people who will give out more info when they die rather then people who alot of people agree looks like mafia? Im not being instigative I just want to know that this is a general town consensus. Im not sure who I should put my vote on :/
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i guess zeks believes im mafia
great
another person who is misinformed
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On August 10 2010 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:
he's obviously going to act like i give the most info, because he's hurt that i got him lynched in an ongoing game that i don't want to reference
Wow, using the outside game content - ONGOING EVEN - to justify your argument is pretty low. Besides the fact Pyrr has been clamouring for your lynch far before the conflict started over there far far away.
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you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened.
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On August 10 2010 11:19 bumatlarge wrote:
So we are going for people who will give out more info when they die rather then people who alot of people agree looks like mafia? Im not being instigative I just want to know that this is a general town consensus. Im not sure who I should put my vote on :/
look at the argument on young so far (see huge post last page)
WHAD'YA think
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If I'm this up for lynch, I have a huge information dump to spread to the town
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On August 10 2010 11:24 Bill Murray wrote:
If I'm this up for lynch, I have a huge information dump to spread to the town
You've said that 2-3 times now. Not entirely sure I trust you until I see it.
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Foolishness
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On August 10 2010 11:14 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:
i just voted for youngminii because i feel like we get a lot of information out of his lynch. foolishness pushed for him, so we can take that into consideration, and youngminii and chezinu had interaction early on in the game in terms of defending each other (or so I have seen someone say)
that is why i am voting for youngminii, and i hope he flips mafia.
i like you, YM, and i hate to vote for you, but you might be mafia, and that is my objective in this game. no hard feelings, bro.
I would also like to point out that I could be voting chezinu, who is likely a veteran fake-claiming tracker (sorry, i know it's sort of unethical to post my opinion about this, but i'm using this to validate my point), or artanis[xp] who have more votes on them than YM.
YoungMinii is really just scummier than them in my eyes. Chezinu is possibly blue, and artanis is so lurky that i have a neutral read on him. I'll leave it to older players like Amber, ~OpZ~, or Foolishness to weed out the inactives beat you to the punch, foolishness
Yeah I know, I saw right before you posted. But I needed to posted it as well. Plus I further complimented yours by citing his previous games.
On August 10 2010 11:14 Bill Murray wrote:
if he's green, or blue, though, you're going to die
That'd be ironic since I'm the only one who's done anything for the town so far.
On August 10 2010 11:19 bumatlarge wrote:
So we are going for people who will give out more info when they die rather then people who alot of people agree looks like mafia? Im not being instigative I just want to know that this is a general town consensus. Im not sure who I should put my vote on :/
Vote for who you think is mafia. The whole "this person dead says this about person X" is not a good play when we have suspicious people and lurkers to kill. Especially early game this is generally not a good idea. When there are relatively few players, that's when linking people to others comes in handy.
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Whoa, if you're mafia they must be applauding you lol. Regardless this was a very good read. I still maintain my opinion of voting for you as my main reasons were not concerning your behaviour but just that I find it's more likely that you're a role other than veteran. The two of which that are the most likely are/can be harmful to the town. Your points are quite valid however. Even if you end up flipping red later, I'll definitely take your posts into consideration. One problem I do recognize however is that it does seem to me that you're really trying to squeeze information out of actions that aren't very defining of the conclusions you've come to. Nevertheless thank you very much for investing your time into these posts. I do agree that Youngminii should step it up a notch though. (This is explainable by a few things though. Sometimes you can just get really tired of doing it. Like I was playing runling run yesterday and I really wasn't feeling it. I quit after one game O.o. I usually love that game.)
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On August 10 2010 11:35 SouthRawrea wrote:
Whoa, if you're mafia they must be applauding you lol. Regardless this was a very good read. I still maintain my opinion of voting for you as my main reasons were not concerning your behaviour but just that I find it's more likely that you're a role other than veteran. The two of which that are the most likely are/can be harmful to the town. Your points are quite valid however. Even if you end up flipping red later, I'll definitely take your posts into consideration. One problem I do recognize however is that it does seem to me that you're really trying to squeeze information out of actions that aren't very defining of the conclusions you've come to. Nevertheless thank you very much for investing your time into these posts. I do agree that Youngminii should step it up a notch though. (This is explainable by a few things though. Sometimes you can just get really tired of doing it. Like I was playing runling run yesterday and I really wasn't feeling it. I quit after one game O.o. I usually love that game.)
Im assuming this is about BM? Alright seems conclusive.
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MMBOP
*foolishness*
I think seeing what BM is will help justify peoples actions (or condemn them -_-)
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I mean Foolishness haha was typing it up and everyone else beat me to the punch.
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@ Foolishness
- He claims veteran.
He's veteran or GF.
- He claims he didn't furiously defend BM.
I mentioned before he opened up with slight suspicion of BM. This doesn't phase me; I'm sure he would if red because he's not a rash player.
" I'd totally support you against this brodooski." Sounds like a lot of BM support to me. Also, the anti-BM posts came first, then he started to help BM. And it all comes down to where he actually puts his chips down: Foolishness was a key part of the bandwagon to save BM. Again, we should lynch Bill Murray first before we consider lynching Foolishness to avoid multiple mistakes here. The mafia wiki explains this tell is only useful if the defended person flips mafia - otherwise it could lead us to trouble.
- Foolishness says "Before Pyrry accused me in the thread I had nothing supporting Bill Murray."
This is an outright lie. First "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" came before I called Foolishness out. Second of all, his post asking for the list clearly was meant to say my list had to be false even though all Foolishness knew about it at the time was that Bill Murray was on it. Foolishness post against me was an attack even if he didn't accuse me of being red within it - it defended Bill Murray even though BM was not named.
Also, he didn't chainsaw against Divinek but Pandain. I did misspeak and say Divinek earlier, and I also corrected myself earlier. My apologies again.
I've posted the list for everyone to see; please evaluate it on its specific merits - not on some arbitrary opinion on whether or not lists are good in general.
I do know that Foolishness has been PMing with a lot of players since I revealed LSB's PMs about this (and LSB's suspicions about these PMs). I have also heard from players other than LSB.
- Foolishness says "Pyrry further said he didn't mean I chainsawed against Divinek, but against Pandain (he made a typo in his post). This further does not make sense since Pandain wasn't even against BM at the time (Pandain had voted for Chezinu)."
I will refer you to "I'd totally support you against this brodooski" since the brodooski was Pandain, who attacked Bill Murray for fishing for Pandain's role in PMs, something Foolishness admits to doing, since he is trying to set up a circle even though he admits he is not confirmed.
- RE: youngminii
Here we go with Foolishness trying to save BM again, despite the innumerable shady things BM did last day. Remember how BM started today saying he told us to lynch Foolishness on Day 1? Remember how I called that out as bullshit and told you he didn't go for Foolishness on Day 1 and wouldn't on Day 2? Notice how they are once again uniting to lynch someone and save BM?
The mafia is a team of six. Who does it look like youngminii is acting in concert with? Maybe chezinu. And I do have a little bit of possible interaction with chezinu / vayeshmaru / artanis. I still think Bill Murray / Foolishness / BB / Hesmyrr seems more likely.
Foolishness's case against youngminii adds up to this:
-not contributing
He says its uni. I dunno. Plenty of people have actively admitted to not reading the thread. Lynching inactives doesn't help game 1 and doesn't really help later. If we are going after mafia, go after the most active mafia first.
-defends Chezinu
The appropriate play is to lynch the defended person first, and only be suspicious of someone if you are suspicious of who they defended based on other evidence. This is why I say to go for BM first and only then go after Foolishness. Chezinu has claimed tracker... I am a bit wary about this. He's also begged for bus protection so we may not see him flip soon. I can only hope someone in these circles sorts things out if he is red.
-youngminii votes Foolishness after saying "his posts aren't hugely scummy"
Youngminii is making a good point that people should not automatically trust Foolishness just because of a blue claim, since he believes Foolishness is a good enough player to claim blue without making it obvious it is a fake claim. That's not a slip up. I don't know why he would vote Foolishness first rather than BM, but it's not enough to vote for him over Bill Murray to me, not even close.
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On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened.
You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games.
I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it.
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On August 10 2010 11:45 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:35 SouthRawrea wrote:
Whoa, if you're mafia they must be applauding you lol. Regardless this was a very good read. I still maintain my opinion of voting for you as my main reasons were not concerning your behaviour but just that I find it's more likely that you're a role other than veteran. The two of which that are the most likely are/can be harmful to the town. Your points are quite valid however. Even if you end up flipping red later, I'll definitely take your posts into consideration. One problem I do recognize however is that it does seem to me that you're really trying to squeeze information out of actions that aren't very defining of the conclusions you've come to. Nevertheless thank you very much for investing your time into these posts. I do agree that Youngminii should step it up a notch though. (This is explainable by a few things though. Sometimes you can just get really tired of doing it. Like I was playing runling run yesterday and I really wasn't feeling it. I quit after one game O.o. I usually love that game.) Im assuming this is about BM? Alright seems conclusive.
Lol failvote cuz u thought I was talking about BM.
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Pyrr is making sense and hes pissed for reasons I wont disclose.
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Yeah my last post wasn't necessary as I had no idea what MMBOP meant haha.
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