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On August 10 2010 11:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened. You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games. I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it.
well im less bothered by it because i couldnt believe anyone in their right mind would do it
like there's no way if you were a blue role you'd go BM said to claim to him1?!? dohh'kay lets do it!
i think he's a pretty fine lynch candidate for that reason alone though, since i suppose there's always one or two mindless sheep out there that act before they think, but it's gonna be sad face if he flips any kind of blue role
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On August 10 2010 11:16 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:14 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so if we lynch youngminii, maybe we get something about Chezinu? It would make more sense if Chezinu was lynched first since he was the defended person, but whatever.
If BM is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Foolishness is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If Artanis is lynched, we will get a lot of info.
If youngminii is lynched, we will get some iffy info on Chezinu.
If Chezinu is lynched, we will get a lot of info but let's not kill likely tracker.
I say we just stick to the plan and not let BM get saved again.
can you please go into detail about all the info we'll get. I wanna see if there's someone who gives the best/most info! that and it's annoying when people say something without saying it. Anyways with that im taking my vote off chez for now...i suppose he can be investigated and such.
I will try to post as much as I can by the end of night but I am still trying to work stuff out and see if anything surfaces from these circle things.
+ Show Spoiler +Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes]
Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more.
Need a recap?
BM begged for all blues to claim to him
BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down.
BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM.
Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all.
He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town.
BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness.
If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry.
So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then?
Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player.
BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread.
Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)?
BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?"
Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet.
Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr.
LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for".
I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now.
bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know.
I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches.
That covers my thoughts on BM / Foolishness. Additionally, we now have Foolishness claiming vet so the result of that could help figure out how compromised or not his circle is, since I know he's been PMing a lot of players.
I think Artanis is at least partially the source of this false rumor that I am a tracker. I'm not sure on this.
Youngminii did defend Chez. That defense definitely stuck out to me so Foolishness is right to bring it up again. If Chez were to flip red I would go for youngminii. I'm not good at dealing with non-talkative / weird players like Chez. My read on Chez is tracker... I'm not sure why he didn't follow the plan, though. Could be an excuse for some faking stuff. Chez is tracker or mafia; that much I am sure of. If he were to flip red I think I've outlined his possible bros above.
Right now, I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team. Bill Murray is hinting that he will blue claim. This does not phase me because he never made this threat when he was as close to death yesterday. Maybe he is hinting not at blue claim but some other sort of circle / information thing. We will just have to deal with that as it comes. Bill Murray is a day 1 lynch often. The fact that he is getting a lot of help to stay alive seems odd to me when he has made dangerous plans and has not contributed too much.
If he turns out to be town, this Team 2, centering on youngminii and chez can be investigated next.
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On August 10 2010 12:06 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 11:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
you're taking that out of context. i said i don't want to reference what happened. You can't say you don't want to reference it without referencing it. I'm sorry we've got so heated over the last few games. I still believe you are mafia in this game. I do not like that you ask for all blues to claim on day 1 (a play you previously did as godfather). I do not like that town is not bothered by this and that DTA keeps reposting it. well im less bothered by it because i couldnt believe anyone in their right mind would do it like there's no way if you were a blue role you'd go BM said to claim to him1?!? dohh'kay lets do it! i think he's a pretty fine lynch candidate for that reason alone though, since i suppose there's always one or two mindless sheep out there that act before they think, but it's gonna be sad face if he flips any kind of blue role
Exactly, there are always these people that skim the thread or are new. Last game it was subversion who became our mafia team's DT just because one of us asked.
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I'm going to bed now, a load of things are going on behind the scenes and let me say before the day is through we will have a fairly concrete lynch candidate based on more than just speculation.
If you are a blue role and have as of yet not PM'd me please do so. read over my posts so far and deduce for yourself my alignment.
I won't go as far as to say I'm 100% confirmed based on public information so far so it will have to be down to your discretion ultimately, although I can confirm myself with absolute certainty to anyone who I can likewise know not to be mafia, and have alrdy done so to numerous people.
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er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon.
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Question: Where is the person in question? Youngminii? Let's give him(her?) a chance like I got last game :D. No but really we need to hear from him because even if he is eventually going to be lynched, if we get posts from him as a defense that gives us some things to go over. More content=more we may be able to know as a town.
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Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here?
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I tried to start up a PM home for myself in PM land but no one wanted to live with me D:.
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On August 10 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Hey uh, misder and tree hugger, why dont you come and say that stuff in PM land in here?
Oooh juicy. Haven't heard anything about either of them in PM land.
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On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon.
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lol wut how did that happen? sorry
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Foolishness
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Lynching based off of who gives the most info is not a smart play. If we lynch based off of info (which is what Pyrry wants), the only way we benefit is if the person shows up red. If the guy flips green, this tells us nothing, and furthermore tells us nothing about the person heading the lynch (i.e. Pyrry). This is clearly not optimal when we could lynch based off of who we find scummy. In addition we will force lurkers and inactives to be more afraid of hiding.
This is not the first time BM has come up with a ridiculous plan. The majority of us have been around to know that he does this nearly every game. And I say nearly because the times he doesn't are when he's mafia. PYP mafia comes to mind, he had the Inventor role and came up with all these ridiculous plans...the town was very upset with him until his death. In team melee mini mafia, BM was lynched day 1 for ridiculous plans:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have. On June 24 2010 01:11 Bill Murray wrote:I am not mafia because of this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119497That is a game in which I played as mafia. I am providing that for you. Use it how you will. That game saw me generally making one liners and not providing any positive plan for the town. Early on I create a plan that even tries to advise for a no lynch, in this game I try to provide FOR a lynch in numerous scenarios which point towards the same team just on mathematical trends and heartfelt feelings. In that game, I mainly communicated out of the thread, on MSN with my mafia buddies. I tried to pm with just chez, but that's not my style. I'm not really that good one on one... I'm ok with like 5 guys, but not with one evidently. Chez and I work better on our own than together, whereas if it was Chez, myself, and another team it would be different and I would be concentrating out of the thread which would be limiting my post count/amount of words I actually type in the thread Another reason is the fact that when I am mafia I do not put myself out there like this because I do not want to be viewed as a "fuck up" as mafia. I have TONS of grammatical and spelling errors in relation to when I am not mafia for instance. In that game, I even miss-word something that ends up in me looking like I said I was mafia! That's the extent I fuck up when trying to type in the thread. Given these three reasons, I cannot be mafia in your eyes if you compare my play from this game and that game. -> What we need to do going forward:Bill Murray's 3-step plan1) Create more discussion a. ask each other questions/create funny trends . why are you voting this way? . why are you inactive? . ace and L arguments . Nobody Cares! b. analyze past games of players . as town . as townie . as mafia 2)Use said discussion to scumhunt a. analyze scummy behavior . ad hom, ate, omgus, strawman, chainsaw, w/e . voting trends b. relate scummy behavior to player slots 3) Lynch mafia
Night 1 post came up, BM showed up green.
Pyrry's whole argument against me is that I defended BM, who he thinks is mafia. That's insufficient in itself, but Pyrry thinks BM is mafia mostly because of BM's ridiculous plan day 1. This is clearly not sufficient either since BM does this when he's town, and he very very very very frequently gets lynched for it.
Considering his whole argument is based upon this assumption, his accusation against me falls to pieces as I'm part of a flimsy connection to a flimsy accusation. I was suspicious of Pandain day 1, but just because I said I'd vote for him does not mean we are buddy buddy. Pyrry is making us seem buddy buddy when it's clear that I was suspicious of BM day 1, and BM has been suspicious of me since day started.
Pyrry, remember Pika Chu?
For everyone else, in TL Mafia 5, Pyrry wanted to kill Pika Chu off of sketchy day one clue analysis. He spent the next few days pushing and pushing to get Pika Chu killed, without focus on anyone else:
On March 17 2009 15:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:So I'm getting a clue. It's not exactly a raging clue, but for Day 1 it's pretty feisty. On March 17 2009 12:21 Chuiu wrote: "He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave." Shock Wave is a move that Pikachu can learn and there is a player named Pika Chu. I gave this a 1% probability of being a real clue. But now after a few thoughts I had in the shower I am much more suspicious... "One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side. He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it." One of the mafia is standing up straight at rest, but then lowers himself to the ground while sprinting... just like Pikachu! This Mafia grabs the gun even though his hands are behind his back... this wouldn't be a problem for Pikachu, who carries the ray gun from Super Smash Bros. in his mouth while running around. Furthermore, Pikachu holds the gun from SSB behind in his hands behind his head while leaned over when he fires it... Then this mafia tackles Chuiu. Well Pikachu can't learn tackle in the Game Boy game, but I'm pretty sure he uses it in the TV show, and I know he can use it in the card game: ![[image loading]](http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/expedition/124-pikachu.jpg) Finally, chuiu has posted in this Smash Bros thread so I assume he'd be at least somewhat familiar with this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42012¤tpage=2EDIT with addition: "They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car." The mention of slightly lowering the gun indicates to me that Chuiu is still aiming the gun at these mafia but that one or both of them is short; if Chuiu wanted to say he was completely lowering the gun he wouldn't have used that modifier.
Pika Chu was shot by the mafia after a few days.
The point is that Pyrry can get overly stubborn, and his attitude about BM and myself is similar to how he was against Pika Chu. He was so sure he was right he didn't focus on anything else.
My argument on why youngminii is mafia is not like Pyrrys. I have evidence and posts supporting that he's acting different from when he's town. He has yet to contribute all game, and he freaked out and counter voted for me when I accused him. His further slip up when he says he didn't think I was scum only further adds to his case. None of this can be disputed.
What this comes down to is who is trying to help the town win and who doesn't care. I am the one who is trying to get information from PMs, PMs specifically because Pyrry keeps spamming the thread making it impossible to have anything meaningful stick, I am the one looking at past history of everyone in question, analyzing posts of the people who are out of place and trying to blend in. Is this absolutely consistent of when I have been town before ? Yes. Now answer me this, what has youngminii done to help the town? Virtually nothing. Is this what he does when he is town? No!
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On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon.
I am not in contact with brownbear AT ALL, but foolishness told me he claimed mad hatter. I am VERY suspicious of foolishness, and would endorse his lynch. If you want people to start voting him, and not voting me, I'm all for that.
I have no ties whatsoever other than people who I think are town (pyrrhuloxia, ~opz~)
I am suspicious of foolishness, chezinu, brownbear, xelin, youngminii
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes.
Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious.
Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 10 2010 12:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. I am not in contact with brownbear AT ALL, but foolishness told me he claimed mad hatter. I am VERY suspicious of foolishness, and would endorse his lynch. If you want people to start voting him, and not voting me, I'm all for that. I have no ties whatsoever other than people who I think are town (pyrrhuloxia, ~opz~) I am suspicious of foolishness, chezinu, brownbear, xelin, youngminii
Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread?
Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot.
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On August 10 2010 12:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. I am not in contact with brownbear AT ALL, but foolishness told me he claimed mad hatter. I am VERY suspicious of foolishness, and would endorse his lynch. If you want people to start voting him, and not voting me, I'm all for that. I have no ties whatsoever other than people who I think are town (pyrrhuloxia, ~opz~) I am suspicious of foolishness, chezinu, brownbear, xelin, youngminii
What the FUCK man.
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Bill Murray is a fucking idiot. As is foolishness, he was in no way supposed to give shit out to other people.
If I die tonight it's both of your fucking fault.
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I'm not basing my lynch off of getting the most info. I have heard from Citi.zen, I believe, and someone else (BM, I think), that Youngminii would be the best lynch for info. I didn't think this was true, so I refuted it.
I think Bill Murray is the most suspicious, the most likely mafia. That, ultimately, is why I am voting for him.
Foolishness says "The majority of us have been around to know that he does this nearly every game. And I say nearly because the times he doesn't are when he's mafia."
I've already shown this to be false. BM was green in TL Mafia XvIII: he ran for mayor and his plan was simply to follow what the majority of town wants. In TL Mafia XX, I think (it was the game with assassins, for sure), Bill Murray was Godfather and screwed over the town by convincing them to follow a plan with a lot of blues claiming publically.
Foolishness says "PYP mafia comes to mind, he had the Inventor role and came up with all these ridiculous plans..."
Point taken, but Inventor is a ridiculous role that lends itself to ridiculous plans. BM's plan in this game wasn't complicated - it was "everyone claim to me", which is much closer to his last game as Godfather.
" BM does this when he's town, and he very very very very frequently gets lynched for it."
I haven't seen any evidence of a mass blue claiming plan from Bill Murray except when Godfather that one game.
"Pyrry is making us seem buddy buddy when it's clear that I was suspicious of BM day 1, and BM has been suspicious of me since day started."
You voted to save Bill Murray day 1 and defended him against me and Pandain. That totally outweighs a few public doubts. BM has been suspicious of you to no actual effect, only did this after my pressure, and you're both still voting to save BM.
I remember Pikachu very well. The lesson learned was: Clues suck. I need to learn to look at behavior.
Foolishness's argument on youngminii "has evidence and posts supporting that he's acting differently from when he's town." I have better: posts that show Bill Murray is advocating a plan similar to when he has been Godfather.
"His further slip up when he says he didn't think I was scum only further adds to his case."
How is that any different from how you and Bill Murray have refused to FoS me? WIFOM.
"Pyrry keeps spamming the thread making it impossible to have anything meaningful stick"
I just lost a game due to Bill Murray and someone else burying everything important I had to say - I'd like to not lose another.
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On August 10 2010 13:09 BrownBear wrote:
Bill Murray is a fucking idiot. As is foolishness, he was in no way supposed to give shit out to other people.
If I die tonight it's both of your fucking fault.
Lol so at least I'm right that they were interacting behind the scenes.
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This is why we should never trust the town circles -_-
It's interesting though, why he would choose to reveal it. If he is red there was absolutely no reason for him to make the fact public since mafia knows his identity anyway. There is no gain- unless he wants to incriminate foolishness along with him by exploiting his foolish lack of secrecy. So if he flips scum I will be slightly inclined to believe him as town.
If he is green facepalm to me for not thinking to remove cancer of the town when I had the opportunity yesterday.
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