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On August 09 2010 10:55 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:50 chaoser wrote:
People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_- please respond to this -_-
There's no response Ace can make because it is true.
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@Divinek: whats your question again?
@chaoser: You can't know who's blue. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a penalty. I've already said that if anyone is so sure that knowing penalties will reveal who is blue then tell me what roles myself and zeks have if it's that simple.
Lol @ LSB and Pyrr. Put your votes where your mouth is so I can destroy you.
The problem with being smarter than everyone else is that it takes my death to make people realize why I am so feared in this game. Let's get it!
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@chaoser: You can't know who's blue. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a penalty. I've already said that if anyone is so sure that knowing penalties will reveal who is blue then tell me what roles myself and zeks have if it's that simple.
On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into: Ace: weak blue bumatlarge: strong blue zeks: vanilla townie Do we want this info out there?
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On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace
Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties 
Hi scum :D
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@chaoser: If I'm blue then what's my role. How does a voting wagon imply that zeks must be townie?
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ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
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mmm i dont like this way people's reasoning is going
that if your penalty is such and such like 'you can only use your ability every other night' then all penalties should accurately describe the nature of the person
sure that SPECIFIC example does make the person look awfully blue
but i can assure not all penalties do, as mine makes me look just the opposite of what i am, if you're following that line of reasoning
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On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense?
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On August 09 2010 11:02 Ace wrote:
@chaoser: If I'm blue then what's my role. How does a voting wagon imply that zeks must be townie?
It doesn't matter what role you are, just that you're blue so mafia would target you. zek's penalty in itself doesn't imply that he is townie, but people with penalties that are linked to "actions" (do action and something happens, must do something and then you can act) are a lot more likely to blue no?
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On August 09 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense?
lol well
more stuff can be more to digest, so i prefer simpler as im a fan of occams razor
i really just want your reasonings, all of them, for believing he is scum as you obviously demonstrate a better grasp as to wtf is going on in this game with rules/roles/other stuffs that are confusing me and i dont like a confused town/townie
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Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.
Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
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bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
I'm pretty sure when bum says action, he doesn't mean talking or voting...that'd be too simple an action to make the penalty that bad
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On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D
Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap.
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On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances: Show nested quote +
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie. Show nested quote +
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted.
At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
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On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
what did he do that was against the rules?
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there could be a possibility that greens have a stronger penalty than blues
i think in this setup with 13 ppl there should only be 2-3 blues
im guessing 1 dt 1 vig 1 medic and maybe they have special penalties that restrict them
but comparably i think everyone plays a role
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On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules?
If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
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On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.
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On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
well to be fair it was a random vote that only meant something because someone made something out of it. People do place holders or random votes all the time in periods such as the RVS and such. But it is possible that he knows something we dont isnt it, with all the weird roles out there. Like maybe his final votes have to always be on the person with a first letter closest to the start of the alphabet..the possibilities are infinite and he really should try to explain himself.
But BM always does things at the risk of screwing the town over this is not new.
Perhaps we should always kill him day 1 or get him vigi popped otherwise if he doesnt stop acting so retarded. It really is annoying
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On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.
he is banned in all of ace's games.
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