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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 01:39 GMT
#261
On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power


I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into:

Ace: weak blue
bumatlarge: strong blue
zeks: vanilla townie

Do we want this info out there?

Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 01:41 GMT
#262
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:42 GMT
#263
Ace, basically people are staying, if you have an "action", the person is a blue, if you're like I can only vote for non-majority then the person is townie. By making everyone out their penalties, it's easy to see which is blue and which is not. Mafia don't need to know if they are medic/DT/etc., just that they are blue
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:42 GMT
#264
saying*
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:43 GMT
#265
example: if I was like, I can only do my action on people who didn't get voted on, then people might make the judgement that I am blue. But If I was like, I can't vote for someone unless three people already voted for that person, then I'd be more likely to be townie
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 01:43 GMT
#266
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power


I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into:

Ace: weak blue
bumatlarge: strong blue
zeks: vanilla townie

Do we want this info out there?

Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

The tree stump is not bad in other set-ups! Not sure how to use them here yet, but guessing the severe penalty means there is a way.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 01:44 GMT
#267
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

Did you read what LSB said? I think you did. Why would we be okay with giving away our vigilante? Vigi or medic, either way mafia knows it is someone to hit because they have a night action.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 01:44 GMT
#268
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:45 GMT
#269
LSB, use blue instead of medic, I think that works better
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 01:45 GMT
#270
What that tells the mafia is that the blue has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the blue is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the blue before night 2.

Whoops, left out a word in the previous copy paste
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 01:48 GMT
#271
ACTION can my anything, NOT Blue. Stop thinking like that. I've outlined it like 50 times. If you only know the penalty has the word action in it that does not imply a typical blue role. Look at the penalties we've got so far and tell me who's blue!

If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump NONE of you would have known.
You don't know my role.
You don't know zek's role.

All townies have penalties regardless of "blue" or "green". Action does not imply blue. This is a simple case of reading and you're mucking this up. If you think I'm scum then put your vote on me right now and keep it there so you can get the axe tomorrow. Do it.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 01:49 GMT
#272
On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.


and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.

And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 01:50 GMT
#273
On August 09 2010 10:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

Did you read what LSB said? I think you did. Why would we be okay with giving away our vigilante? Vigi or medic, either way mafia knows it is someone to hit because they have a night action.


Bullshit post to scare townies from penalty claiming.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:50 GMT
#274
People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_-
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 01:52 GMT
#275
On August 09 2010 10:48 Ace wrote:
ACTION can my anything, NOT Blue. Stop thinking like that. I've outlined it like 50 times. If you only know the penalty has the word action in it that does not imply a typical blue role. Look at the penalties we've got so far and tell me who's blue!

I'm not going to help you think scum

Scum, your lucky that I'm set on killing BM today
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 01:52 GMT
#276
On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.


and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.

And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.

Not all penalties imply roles.

##vote Ace
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 01:53 GMT
#277
Bill Murray, get the fuck in here and say something.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:54 GMT
#278
On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.


and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.

And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.


you didnt answer my question
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 01:55 GMT
#279
On August 09 2010 10:50 chaoser wrote:
People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_-


please respond to this -_-
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 01:57 GMT
#280
On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.

What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.

It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.


wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.

What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.


and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.

And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.


you didnt answer my question

I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues.
Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will.
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