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On August 09 2010 12:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago. he is banned in all of ace's games.
I think I might copy ace's playbook here depending on how these games turn out  .
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well, BM just posted in other thread, I assume we'll get a response from him soon
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I personally think that most penalties don't tell a blue. The op states examples and nothing more. The penalty itself may just give a vanilla townie an action they normally would not have.
I'm still waiting on BM before placing a vote...his reaction will be important. As much as I hate day 1 bandwagons this one ma be necessary
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i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol
unvote
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I believe you Bill!
unvote
Vote Pyrrhoxlia
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I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now.
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The only problem I have with Ace is he's constantly talking about how revealing penalties does not reveal roles, but when bumatlarge revealed his role he said this...
On August 09 2010 09:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray I figured you had some kind of tree stump role. Thats a really fucked up penalty tho. Jesus there has to be an overpowered town role somewhere. Either way don't stump and just stay normal townie ^_^
So while I personally don't think I am very good at figuring out roles from penalties, I'm thinking there are some people out there who are.
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I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump.
On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that.
I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role)
On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.
Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.
Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.
So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.
Anyway...
Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks.
I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too.
On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.
Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch.
On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.
See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather.
On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense. P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously. Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here. 1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered... 2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in: Show nested quote +
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action. If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced. Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit. ## vote Pyrr
You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person.
On August 09 2010 07:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_- I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure. You already told the mafia to force you to do it so... You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action. A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role. It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia.
Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon.
On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it.
That's why I'm going to
Vote: Pyrrhuloxia
On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player. It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM.
Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red).
On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles. ##vote Ace
I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed.
On August 09 2010 10:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question  I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues. Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will.
You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you.
On August 09 2010 11:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties  Hi scum :D Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap.
So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you.
The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have.
On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it.
@Scamp: what players are you referring to?
@Ace: What should we do going forward as a town?
I'm going to
Vote: Pyrrhuloxia
Fairly certain he's scum.
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##vote Bill Murray
you don't get to fuck the town over all day, show up and claim its my fault
"I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump."
He should not use that role. Is he even allowed to talk after using that? I'm not sure he is.
"See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather."
I wasn't as worried about you because I thought you might be blue BECAUSE YOU WERE FUCKING LYING, ASSHOLE.
"You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you."
You're damn right it puts pressure on me. Pressure to reveal my role WHICH SHOULD NOT BE FORCED ON ANYONE at this point.
"So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you.
The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have."
Little slipups about the information I had- we've been having that all over town thanks to Ace's plan here. I notice you don't specify any of these.
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Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry
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Uh oh, you're slipping up Pyrr.
1.) The link to the tree stump role has already been revealed. Tree stump can talk.
2.) No one is putting pressure on anyone to reveal roles. I've only asked for penalties. You yourself even stated that penalties do not imply roles here where I called you out on it:
On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D
So you've just contradicted your stance again within one day. there have been no slip ups of information but thanks for taking another shot at me while you had the chance. Even throwing all of that out of the window there is another odd little situation I noticed:
Before I revealed my plan and Bill Murray voted on me you were so gung ho in figuring out Bill Murray's penalty. So when I revealed my plan why did you all of a sudden change your stance on revealing penalties? Surely if you thought it was a bad idea then you wouldn't have been trying to figure out what Bill Murray's penalty is.
Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning. All he did was deny your points and vote for you. You on the other hand opened up with this little gem to undermine him:
you don't get to fuck the town over all day, show up and claim its my fault
How many times are you going to do that? He never even claimed it was your fault. Hell the town isn't even "fucked up" or in a bad position. The town is actually in a pretty good state right now considering other games we've all played in.
But then to make it worse I was going to throw my scum tally on you to the side for a second. But every time you open your mouth you say something that even a confused townsperson wouldn't say. Like this:
I wasn't as worried about you because I thought you might be blue BECAUSE YOU WERE FUCKING LYING, ASSHOLE.
Er? So if you knowingly thought Bill Murray might be blue...but you were up in arms against my plan because you felt it would reveal blues...then why did you try to derive BM's penalty? In fact, if you knew he was lying isn't that a very good cause to be worried? Wait a sec - how did you know he was lying Pyrr?
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@ Bill Murray: Everyone should be penalty claiming.
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@ Ace: ok. who is keeping a list of the claims?
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thank you bill for actually making a real post and trying to help the town out, it feels like ages since ive seen that lol
and now that i got what i wanted from ace, his post seems to confirm his aligntment for me for now and thus it seems perfectly right to believe him
so im definitely believing my original intentions, now that the votes on bm actually pressured him into talking, and getting this wagon starter on ace lynched
##unvote
##vote pyrr
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your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek
@ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which
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I'm keeping track right here:
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role dies
You don't have to tell us anything about the role that dies. Just the penalty.
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oops misread.
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power
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You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later.
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"Surely if you thought it was a bad idea then you wouldn't have been trying to figure out what Bill Murray's penalty is."
That's because I figured the only way for him to use his ability to benefit town was through what I was trying to do.
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my penalty is roughly
if a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on me for the following night
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