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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 05:21 GMT
#321
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."

I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 05:26 GMT
#322
"Er? So if you knowingly thought Bill Murray might be blue...but you were up in arms against my plan because you felt it would reveal blues...then why did you try to derive BM's penalty?"

I asked him whether he had a full list or just you. If it was just you, then we would have that info and could use it immediately. I guess he might have had some hidden ability to get more mafia later but even then it's already a good trade. If he has the whole list and gives it to us, kaching we win, Hesmyrr is a bad game designer. Maybe I should have respected him more but I thought one role was reasonable.

In fact, if you knew he was lying isn't that a very good cause to be worried? "
"Wait a sec - how did you know he was lying Pyrr?"

I dunno, maybe because he said he couldn't talk to town... AND THEN STARTED TALKING TO TOWN? I obviously didn't think he was lying when I thought he was blue. How would I know he was lying if I was mafia unless he was on my team? Because you don't seem to think he is. Maybe he's on your team?
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 09 2010 05:46 GMT
#323
BM: Well obviously I was referring to Ace, but anyone who is good at sniping blue roles as mafia qualify. I haven't played with most of these people before, so I don't know who would be good at that sort of thing other than Ace.

My penalty is that my votes are limited.
Cheese is good for you!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 09 2010 06:22 GMT
#324
On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."

I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.


This is the only point with you I'm willing to agree with. It's pretty much a cardinal rule that a townie is not to lie...ever. The thing is you basically pushed said blue rule on BM and he went with it.

My penalty is that I look extremely guilty.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 06:37 GMT
#325
On August 09 2010 15:22 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."

I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.


This is the only point with you I'm willing to agree with. It's pretty much a cardinal rule that a townie is not to lie...ever. The thing is you basically pushed said blue rule on BM and he went with it.

My penalty is that I look extremely guilty.

I didn't push it on him. I had an idea and Bill Murray lied to troll me and the rest of town.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 09 2010 08:11 GMT
#326
it was a ploy to out you
and it worked
so quit flailing and take it like a man
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#327
On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."

I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.


stop squirming.

I've already said I'm of the idea we'll deal with Bill Murray later. I find you more suspicious though. You had the motive, situation and the behavior to do something any anti-town player would have done on Day 1 with Bill Murray in the game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 09 2010 09:39 GMT
#328
##Vote: Abstain for now. This does not count against my limit. I will change it if needed.
Cheese is good for you!
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 12:03 GMT
#329
On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...

2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:

Show nested quote +

This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.


This tells us 2 things:

The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.

Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:

Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.

If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.

Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.

## vote Pyrr


Small question: how would we know what makes the game balanced without knowing, or trying to infer, all the roles in the game?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 09 2010 12:08 GMT
#330
On August 09 2010 18:14 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."

I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.


stop squirming.

I've already said I'm of the idea we'll deal with Bill Murray later. I find you more suspicious though. You had the motive, situation and the behavior to do something any anti-town player would have done on Day 1 with Bill Murray in the game.


You actually wish to hold off on Bill Murray?

That's...quite unlike your usual personality. Are you so sure you can see through his bullshit that he's inevitably going to spew?
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 12:49 GMT
#331
wait....seriously? BM comes back, makes a statement about how he's just dicking around and now all of a sudden the pressures off him and on Pyrr in a huge way? something strikes me as odd, I'll go back and re-read
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 14:03 GMT
#332
Guys, focus on BM
I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr.
We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town.

As for Ace's plan
On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?

I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later.

Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 14:14 GMT
#333
I wonder about these apparently conflicting statements:

On August 08 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^

With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available.

Versus this one:

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
[...]

I am not ready to push for a lynching of Ace, but these sort of conflicting statements are not giving me any comfort, especially in conjunction with the claim that we need to state our penalty, but not the roles, so we can "figure out how the game is balanced". You need both pieces as far as I can tell. The only thing the penalties tell me thus far is some people have "actions" and others do not - which seems to be quite valuable for the mafia while not helping the town a great deal.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 14:21 GMT
#334
On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:
Guys, focus on BM
I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr.
We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town.

As for Ace's plan
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?

I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later.

Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum

Pyrr could also be red.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
August 09 2010 14:23 GMT
#335
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 14:24 GMT
#336
On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr

How do you reckon that?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 09 2010 17:25 GMT
#337
Just as a note, youngminii has been way active (well now at least =p) in the other game, not a peep in this one
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 09 2010 17:37 GMT
#338
Looking replacement for Pandain per request.
youngminii will be prodded.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 09 2010 17:47 GMT
#339
LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED
WILL START READING LOL
lalala
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 09 2010 17:58 GMT
#340
##vote:abstain

Place holder for now.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
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