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On August 09 2010 23:21 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:Guys, focus on BM I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum Pyrr could also be red.
Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town
The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red.
(Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia)
The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist
So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information
On August 09 2010 23:24 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr How do you reckon that?
Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch.
Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy
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lets just lynch bm ace and pyrr and then play from there 
jk
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Korynne replaces Pandain.
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On August 10 2010 03:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:21 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:Guys, focus on BM I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum Pyrr could also be red. Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red. (Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia) The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr How do you reckon that? Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch. Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy
Odd, but fine, it's a theory. What about Pyrr? And what if Bill doesn't flip red?
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On August 10 2010 03:46 Hesmyrr wrote:
Korynne replaces Pandain.
Yay! Please weigh in on the "penalty plan", I need your input!
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Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.
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Reminding everyone that deadline is August 10 2010 08:24 KST (less than 5 hrs); two of you better rumble!
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On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.
Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds?
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+ Show Spoiler +Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA!
If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him.
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I don't see what input I can give citi.zen... I'll read over the thread again when I get home (I did my first read through today), but it just seems like Ace is saying he'll perform some sparkly magics by piecing together the penalties and what nots. I don't see what we can do with the penalties so far... seems to only help mafia. At most causes mafia to kill Ace and then the rest of us sit around going uhhh, so, list of penalties... now what?
Pyrr, do you have to be alive for your action to be carried out 2 mornings later? Because if not then we should just keep Pyrr around, let Pyrr claim what he did after it's going to go through, and then see if it happens (unless mafia roleblocks him, in which case he should know and then tell us whatever he wants accordingly). Doesn't clear him, but like, it's something more tangible than the other claims we've gotten.
Side note, he made a very safe claim for mafia. Vig -> 2 days later -> mafia night kill.
Looking at other penalty claims:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
Well I'm assuming this confirms him when it happens? Puts him under the spotlight if he doesn't do anything... so I would say unsafe mafia claim.
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
Combined with treestump makes it all rather neutral, since noone would ask him to activate his role presumably, unless possibly a really strange and awkward LYLO situation (not sure if that kind of situation is even possible where we'd want to confirm him but have +1 mafia). So basically a neutral claim.
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power
Both are neutral claims in that it only happens when they die, so we can't confirm anything.
Korynne: Can't change actions.
I would say this is neutral. Easy enough to pretend to have this penalty as mafia, and I'm active enough to pull it off so that it has no negative effects (I have a history of waiting before acting anyway).
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On August 10 2010 04:07 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course. Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds?
I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable.
I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.
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On August 10 2010 04:15 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA! If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him.
You and your lack of double ns in my name. *glare*
I disagree with the if X [is/isn't] scum then Y [is/isn't] scum. I think we should discuss such things after it happens. As in like, decide whether or not to lynch X based on how scummy X is or how many people seem very for or against X or whatever information could be gained from lynching X. Then the next day talk about whether or not we should lynch Y based on X. Otherwise mafia can easily just get a double kill or an associated kill by bandwagoning on the first guy.
Ace can truly believe that Pyrr is mafia, and Pyrr can slip up a lot as a townie, and we could lynch Pyrr, and Ace could still be town. Just keep your mind open and see how things go~
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On August 10 2010 04:17 Korynne wrote:
Pyrr, do you have to be alive for your action to be carried out 2 mornings later? Because if not then we should just keep Pyrr around, let Pyrr claim what he did after it's going to go through, and then see if it happens (unless mafia roleblocks him, in which case he should know and then tell us whatever he wants accordingly). Doesn't clear him, but like, it's something more tangible than the other claims we've gotten.
I have to survive Night 2. :-/
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On August 10 2010 04:23 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:07 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course. Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds? I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable. I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.
You described Ace's play as "normal: have you seen him do this sort of opaque/possibly damaging/"plan" based play often? Asking for public claims on top of it all? I'll be honest, I find it odd from him.
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##vote Ace
I gotta leave for friend's house, taking her out to dinner cause I GOT ACCEPTED INTO MED SCHOOL!!! But I'll explain my vote after I get back, Pyrr is still going to be lynch regardless I think, can someone else put a vote on him? I gotta switch off cause of my penalty.
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congrats
just vote pyrrhuloxia though... i dont think ace is scum this game
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Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?
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at this point we need to really consolidate votes
this isnt like a typical mafiascum game in terms of day 1 lasting 3 weeks... so we need to consolidate votes FAST and speed up the pace so we can pressure people into slipping up
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I am detective.
When I am dead, go after:
Ace: Mafia
Bill Murray: Mafia / Ass
Sorry to town for playing like shit this game. GJ Ace for defenestrating the town with a scummy plan that couldn't be argued against effectively without the blues giving themselves away. The greens will see it as harmless and jump in, isolating, identifying and FoSing the blues who will be hurt by it. Very clever.
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On August 10 2010 07:33 Bill Murray wrote:
at this point we need to really consolidate votes
this isnt like a typical mafiascum game in terms of day 1 lasting 3 weeks... so we need to consolidate votes FAST and speed up the pace so we can pressure people into slipping up
Yes, no time to think things through; town must be as mindless as possible.
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