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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 09 2010 23:03 GMT
#381
Whoops I was going to say that Pandain is around but he's already been replaced.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 23:04 GMT
#382
On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.


If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 23:06 GMT
#383
On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.

Isn't that so annoying how he does that? He is so good at this slippery, headache inducing stuff.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 23:09 GMT
#384
On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:
On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.


If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.

See, like here: If you say his plan is bad he says "you don't have a plan." It's like liberals when they attack conservatives for "not having a plan" as if only the government can have a plan, when it's not a true assumption. You don't need a claiming plan in mafia; TL needs more role-less games, I think, so people can figure out how to play. We don't need an organization if individuals up they game.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 23:12 GMT
#385
On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:
On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.


If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.

ROFL. I think I'll go with "behavior analysis" over a plan that only helps the reds. Funny.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 23:14 GMT
#386
Listen, you can keep talking about what teamliquid mafia games need or not but the point of the matter is you haven't done anything on Day 1 to show me you want to find scum. All you've done is criticize and bash me without offering anything positive. Obviously you aren't going to convince me to change my vote, so you need to convince the rest of the town. You don't even seem interested in doing so even though I've told you this twice and it just keeps reaffirming my belief you are playing like shit. Whether you are town or scum this is basic. If you are really a detective that just roleclaimed why aren't you hammering this point around? This is exactly why I'm not listening to you.


I'm no longer talking though. The rest of you can complain all you want but until you scum hunt and show something better then keep it moving.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 09 2010 23:16 GMT
#387
So if we have some role that can protect me decently (doubtful), try to keep me alive?
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 09 2010 23:17 GMT
#388
Scumhunt. Right.

##Vote Ace
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 09 2010 23:17 GMT
#389
@ Ace: mass roleblock?
@ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 02:31:35
August 09 2010 23:46 GMT
#390
      ♦ Night 1 Post

[Final Vote Count]
+ Show Spoiler +
Current Leader: Pyrrhuloxia (4)
Ace
bumatlarge
Bill Murray
Divinek

Bill Murray (3)
zeks
LSB
Pyrrhuloxia

Ace (2)
chaoser
citi.zen

Abstain/No Lynch (2)
Scamp
Jayme

Not voting (2): youngminii, Korynne
No votes for deadline extension.


[image loading]

Uneasy tension dominates the room, but no one does anything, only sharing nervous glances at each other.

After determined group of people called back people scattered elsewhere, everyone moved as a group toward the town hall to discuss how to handle the threat. However when every imminent problems are solved and town is ready to be organized, even the most active of the individuals fall strange silent as they ponder what to do.

Well, everyone knew what to do; they simply fought not to acknowledge what needed to be done. But unless they throw away their morality and open up the fiendish floodgate of suspicion, they would be butchered like sheep among the wolves.

It only takes one person to begin. When a man accuses someone solely based on his gut, outrage occurs as all present speaks up and throw out their opinion. The room fills with cacophony of irrational and hysterical accusations as desperate and scared townies try to find the source of the terror.

Finally, amongst the chaos, someone levels a seemingly logical argument against Pyrrhuloxia and most grasp at it as if it was beacon of the hope. Some try to speak up the flaws in the argument, but even before they could properly address the group, four angry people stands up and suddenly starts attacking the man before he had time to react.

Horrified by this act of violence some interfere and tear the mob away from the unfortunate victim, but it is too late- forlorn for scapegoat they could pour out their fearful emotions upon, they have resorted to surprising brutality they never thought were capable of, killing Pyrrhuloxia in irrational heat of passion.

Soon the search of his residence proves that he was in fact the detective in this town, hired to protect those who had now beaten him to death. And people realize that the unknown group of criminals are not their only enemy- everyone, deep within them, wrought a death that could strike others any moment when provoked.

Pyrrhuloxia, Cautious Detective, is lynched.
The deadline ends at August 12 2010 08:46 KST
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 09 2010 23:55 GMT
#391
On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?

Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town

Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum
Bumatlarge: Tree stump
Zeks: Townie
Bill Murray: Townie or Red
Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet.

Give me more penalties, I give you more answers

There you go scum.

Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it
All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol"
Then the mafia can crack it.
To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot


I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.

Let's talk about our feelings
I feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired.
Talking about feeling is really fun :D!

Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it.

Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum.


Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr.

kkthxbai

LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?


You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations.

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 09 2010 23:59 GMT
#392
On August 10 2010 08:55 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?

Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town

Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum
Bumatlarge: Tree stump
Zeks: Townie
Bill Murray: Townie or Red
Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet.

Give me more penalties, I give you more answers

There you go scum.

Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it
All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol"
Then the mafia can crack it.
To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot

Show nested quote +

I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.

Let's talk about our feelings
I feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired.
Talking about feeling is really fun :D!

Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it.

Show nested quote +
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum.


Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr.

kkthxbai

Show nested quote +
LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?


You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations.



I lol'd. I find it funny that you not once even tried to appeal to the rest of the town and attacked me all of Day 1, knowing that no matter if BM or Pyrr flipped town you'd go after me. Scum much?

Anyway I'm about to break this game wide open. I have a hunch and unless we've all got shitty roles this game is over.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2010 00:00 GMT
#393
Nice defense btw, your eloquence astounds me

I'm going after you because of the honeypot you created, not because of BM, and especially not because of Pyrr.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 10 2010 00:01 GMT
#394
Also if I was arguing with BM, and then argued with Pyrr how the hell can I Chainsaw Defend BM? That wouldn't even make sense because I haven't even defended Bill Murray. I just found Pyrr more scummy
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2010 00:03 GMT
#395
Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else.

Let's say we have two people. Let's call them Bill Murry, and Ace.
Bill Murry is mafia, he gets attacked.

Ace is mafia, he starts attacking the DT. The town gets distracted and doesn't lynch BM and instead lynches the DT.

That is the chainsaw defence
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 10 2010 00:04 GMT
#396
Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp?

As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2010 00:05 GMT
#397
Attention Town. Are you wondering how we got our DT lynched?

Look where our votes went. 3 votes went to BM, and Ace recieved 2 votes. If we all had focused on BM, he would be lynched.

Instead, we broke up our votes and we got screwed over.

Remember, there are 3 mafia. So all it takes is one of us to go after the wrong person, the three mafia members then jump on, bringing it to a total of 4 votes. Boom, Pyrr is dead
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2010 00:13 GMT
#398
On August 10 2010 09:04 Ace wrote:
Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp?

As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over.

Offering one of your own as sacrifice?
Look at my earlier post to see why

On August 09 2010 08:36 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D



Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'.

Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with
4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4.

I have already answered these questions. What you are doing is asking me these things, trying to get me distracted.

I'm pretty sure you'll roleclaim mafia.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 10 2010 00:15 GMT
#399
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2010 00:20 GMT
#400
Say wut?

You sound like the People in battle.net forums. OMG this game is unbalanced QQ.




I will offer an alternate theory.

This game is balanced by
1) Reversal of expectations. Mafia will expect things, things won't turn out right.
2) Large amounts of blue roles. Given that lots of people haven't role claimed yet, and our first lynch hits a blue, it's pretty likely that a lot of people are blue.

What your theory sounds like is "Vigi! Please don't kill me tonight"
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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