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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
Just one more that I think you missed 
On June 25 2010 11:47 LaXerCannon wrote:
The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies
Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.
These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green
and of course the poorly constructed attack in question:
On June 26 2010 09:56 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly. Hi Nikon, let's look at what YOU had to say shall we? + Show Spoiler +Nikon - Total posts : 10 On June 23 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote:
.-.. --- .-.. / - .... .. ... / .. ... / -.- .. -. -.. .- / .-.. .- -- . / -.-- --- ..- / --. ..- -.-- ... / .- .-.. ... --- / .-- .... -.-- / .. ... / .--- --- .... -. -. -.-- ... .--. .- --.. / - .-. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / -.- .. .-.. .-.. / --- ..-. ..-. / .-.. / ... --- / ..-. .- ... - / - .... .- - / .. ... / -- .- -. -.-- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / -.-- . ... Translates roughly to : LOL THIS IS KINDA LAME YOU GUYS ALSO WHY IS JOHNNYSPAZ TRYING TO KILL OFF L SO FAST THAT IS MANY MORSE CODE YES. Only important point here is that he is asking why Jspazz wants to lynch L so quickly ignoring L's vote for Johnnyspazz and Chezinu for team 1; both votes being well in the timeframe between Jspazz's vote and Nikon's post. -In between these two posts, Nikon votes for team 2- Why? I have no idea; he does argue with BM though...an hour later On June 23 2010 15:15 Nikon wrote:
Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...
Signs off for the day? Guess not. I guess he just woke up since the following posts are only within a few hours of this post. Post # 299 [this post quotes one of BM's bigger posts so I won't quote that as well] (not going to sleep?) Some of his points are correct, thought I do think that BM's method of thinking helps him loosen his own workload at it lowers the amount of targets he needs to track for the _first_ day. However, I don't like how he ignores the good information in this post, particularly the parts about team 1 and team 9's voting behavior. Post # 312 Another attack on BM. I'd like to point out that Nikon, although putting BM down for coded messages, infact posted one of his own (see above). The rest of the post is just him defending his team by ... defending team 7... what? As great as that sounds (if team 7 indeed is green), I don't think that it's typical behavior for someone trying to defend himself. Normally, you'd accuse another team to put the heat off you. I also like how he says there's an 18% chance that another team is mafia. Is he not sure that he himself is town? If they know they're town then it's definitely 25% other people are mafia. On June 24 2010 00:25 Nikon wrote:
What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then? I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 03:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math. Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long. Same 25% to 18% thing... -Two day gap between posts- On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book. Ok post On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly. - And see me pointing out that we don't have much room for error anymore? - DCLXVI did propose a good point in that supporting another mafia team is very risky. Especially since there are only two mafia teams; if we peg one, the other one falls into suspicion. Not the best play; I'm sure most people in this game hold L to a higher standard than that.
And you posted these since then:
On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.
On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.
Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...
On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.
Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.
Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.
>What do we gain from these two posts of yours? Got DCLXVI to clarify his logic and point out that DCLXVI's assumptions hold no weight. Oh and claiming BrownBear can't distinguish between one and two, what.
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^ bad formatting, put Nikon's first quote up until my > into a separate quote >.>
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I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it?
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
Interesting post.
1. Cry about other people calling out his inactivity.
2. Give excuse for being inactive (as if that makes it better?)
3. Point the finger at someone else.
4. Cry more.
5. Continue pointing.
6. Top it off with "this I find very scummy".
Nikon, you have a grand total of 12 posts, in ... 4.5 days (?) real time. That's what, 108 hours? Average 1 post every 10ish hours, which would be acceptable if they were huge posts but... they aren't. ^_^.
Do you see why we're harping on you?
Note: not defending LaXerCannon. He's also been worthless.
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
hurrah for the worst posted reasoning to vote for someone as of day 2!
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
While I agree with you that bum/lax have done a lot of things that read red, if I weren't already thinking along these lines, your argument would not be convincing.
You need to produce more. If you truly think bum/lax ARE scum (rather than just because you are a mafia team that just wants someone else hung), you need to present more than this. So does Zyrre. So does meeple. The 'harping' is because you have chosen to place yourself at the bottom of the ladder of activity. That has a very simple solution regardless if you are mafia or town - one which your teammates can assist you with.
Once you choose to remove yourself from the bottom of this ladder we can discuss whether votes on your team are no longer justified.
@Zyrre Since you've taken the time to respond to the one post, are you getting noob vibe or scum vibe from Divinek? Either way, please elaborate since Team 9 is somewhere I think a lot of us are interested in looking.
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He said in one post it's his first time playing. But I don't blame him for picking apart my posts, some were terrible. And once you're on that line of thinking it's easy to see the scummyness in things.
I quickly looked through DCLXVI's post, and aside from the ridiculous argument about Koryenne's vote switch being mafia and arguing to lynch kory/rad(which he said was just fishing for information), I don't see anything scummy.
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On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it?
I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort.
Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.
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L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results.
Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance:
You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong;
Ace's post against it was this one:
no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense.
I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions.
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Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy.
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On June 27 2010 02:08 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it? I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.
Re-read your post then, if your stated opinions do not constitute an attack, I'm Roger Rabbit.
On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy.
On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched?
I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
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On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9)
Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it
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Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?
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On June 27 2010 07:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had. LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9) Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it
Good catch, I chopped the quote wrong - I meant to include the bolded text from this one here:
On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that... If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed. I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9. Well, that's the thing: Ive played with L before, and I know he knows how stuff like this works. I haven't really played with either of you ever, so I have no clue if you would know whether that's an obvious scumtell or not. It's pretty soft evidence, thats why I didn't outright accuse you: I'm just saying that your voting pattern, posting patterns, and the game events make you somewhat suspicious. Not scummy, just suspicious. As for your logic behind the Team 4 vs L thing... The thing is, both L and Team 4 had arguments with Team 2... and I'm reasonably sure L is smart enough to not ragekill them, and I know for sure that Ace and DTA are smart enough to not ragekill them. Thus, I'm not really looking at those arguments as saying anything, other than Team 4 and Team L look less suspicious. That said, DTA is a masterful player, and can easily appear clean when he isn't. This doesn't mean I'm accusing him at all ( <3 you DTA :3 ) but I am watching him closer than I would a newbie.(what, me, sore about last game? Nevar! :D) I still think you and Divinek need to step up and look less suspicious, though. There is not much to go on for this day, so even appearing suspicious can be deadly. And Team 7 needs to step the fuck up, seriously.
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On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?
I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
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On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
So your point is? That LaXer doesn't have a point? And you think he accused you of being mafia?
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On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
I have no argument to front, I am merely defending against your accusations. If you are perhaps arguing for argument's sake then I will continue. Otherwise I shall cease and desist from this pointless fight.
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On June 27 2010 07:14 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point. So your point is? That LaXer doesn't have a point? And you think he accused you of being mafia?
nah, i think it is that nikon said the BB mixed up teams 1 and two. BB asked how and did not think that nikon responded. Nikon misquoted and provided my text instead of BB and I pointed that out. Neither Laxer nor Nikon are really providing an argument against each other as far as I can see.
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Well, people pointed I was inactive and uncontributive, I pointed out Laxer did the same, and now he has this huge post about me, plus a countervote. That's the gist of it, pretty much.
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On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 02:08 LaXerCannon wrote:On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it? I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument. Re-read your post then, if your stated opinions do not constitute an attack, I'm Roger Rabbit. Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
Dear god you are dumb. I never wrote that.
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