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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 27 2010 01:31 GMT
#761
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...
I can already see the ending
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
June 27 2010 01:37 GMT
#762
On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...


Look at the voting thread. 3 votes for team 7, one vote for team 9.

Please stop blatantly lying.
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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 27 2010 01:41 GMT
#763
So I have to love how Darth innocuously drops the "what do you think of this" and then waits to see everyone's opinion before siding with the majority.
Has team 7 even voted yet? are they going to get modkilled and we lose if we mislynch?(and they are not mafia)

My post was stupid because I didn't clarify and was in a rush, but now I have to vote for 6 or 7 to stay alive. I suppose it is partly my fault for the hasty post, but you guys do overreact quite a bit.
I can already see the ending
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 27 2010 01:41 GMT
#764
On June 27 2010 10:22 BrownBear wrote:
Yass, agreed DTA :D I'm not sure it's scummy yet simply because it's way too obvious of a mistake for a mafia player to make... mostly be just holding DCLXVI to a higher standard of play than that. I wouldn't be that surprised if he were though.


nah it's not. Were you there last game (XXVI)? lol.


On June 27 2010 10:23 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot.


I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell.

Clearly he was wrong.

Show nested quote +
Was it "MASSIVE"? Really?
Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead.

Show nested quote +
Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up.
Explain this. In depth.

Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow.

Show nested quote +
For the record, I didn't try to play it up?
Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it.

Show nested quote +
said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway.
So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?

Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?


uhh can't do quote by quote in the interest of time.

I agree. A Jeep tell is not grounds for lynch, nor is suggesting a Jeep tell. Ace likes to exaggerate - there were a lot of other things that he saw in BM that were scummy (and I kind of agree but at the same time, I don't think Ace gave enough credit to BM's half-decent posts). I'm pretty sure he didn't push to lynch BM for that sole reason -_-.

True, it was pretty big. I still see it as a pressure vote though.


Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."

So if they (mafia) aren't being pressured, they didn't need a new smokescreen to hide under.

And ? I was arguing along YOUR lines. YOU'RE the one who was saying that mafia would've started 'a shit train'. And YOU'RE the one that said, "let's assume one of 7/9 is mafia (theoretical/hypothetical), etc. etc."

My post for you here:


On June 26 2010 14:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
Got in late, and I've got to sleep like now. Early stuff tomorrow. From what I've seen...

L, are you really doing this? If you're town, you're wasting all of our time. First of all, Ace's argument is pretty solid compared to yours. Actually, after the first 2-3 (recent) posts from both of you, you guys just kinda started the name-calling kind of stuff. Didn't I say this earlier this game? You two are so... funny lol =p. Earlier I tried to call a truce between you two because I thought you were town. But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak.

Anyway, tapping out for the night. You'll see my thoughts in the vote thread.


My opinion was requested (by jspz), so I gave it. I said, "If you're town, you're wasting all of our time." Which you were. The only possible instance of me "throwing shit at you" is "But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak."

From my perspective, Ace's play hasn't been that scummy. Obviously I'm biased but your arguments weren't that convincing -> why are you making a mess out of nothing -> nudge toward scumminess.

I haven't said ANYTHING about it since. I haven't pushed to get you lynched (except for my vote), I haven't called this this and that of yours "OH HE'S DEFINITELY SCUM". If you consider those two sentences as "throwing shit at you" then you need to redefine what you consider "throwing shit at you".


"So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?

Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?"

This is from my perspective. I didn't like where the argument was going, because it was you and Ace arguing about what a Jeep tell was, and not even arguing about how it relates to this game. If you're going to call my posts devoid of content, look at your argument with Ace and tell me that's not devoid of (game-related) content.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 27 2010 01:41 GMT
#765
Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7?

L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace?

I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 27 2010 01:42 GMT
#766
On June 27 2010 10:28 BrownBear wrote:
And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game.


Every reply to L takes a minimum of 10 minutes. No joke :p.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 27 2010 01:44 GMT
#767
On June 27 2010 10:41 YellowInk wrote:
Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7?

L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace?

I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment.

Well, no, it doesn't clear both of us. It'll be interesting if he refuses, then T9 flips red to a future lynch or DT check.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 27 2010 01:44 GMT
#768
I'm only going to move my vote to T9 if it's going to lynch, though. I don't want to see a vote split kill L. That means DTA has to make the first move if I'm going to shift (since the premise of extra gained information is based on DTA also voting for T9).
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 27 2010 01:45 GMT
#769
On June 27 2010 10:37 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...


Look at the voting thread. 3 votes for team 7, one vote for team 9.

Please stop blatantly lying.

did you read how all active players in this thread said they wanted to switch their vote but said they didn't think they had the time?
Why so accusatory?
I can already see the ending
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 27 2010 01:45 GMT
#770
On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...


On June 27 2010 10:41 DCLXVI wrote:
So I have to love how Darth innocuously drops the "what do you think of this" and then waits to see everyone's opinion before siding with the majority.
Has team 7 even voted yet? are they going to get modkilled and we lose if we mislynch?(and they are not mafia)

My post was stupid because I didn't clarify and was in a rush, but now I have to vote for 6 or 7 to stay alive. I suppose it is partly my fault for the hasty post, but you guys do overreact quite a bit.


Hey look at my last, 4-5 posts, they're all longer than anything you've ever posted I'm pretty sure.

Read the original post. The scumminess of the post was implied by my bringing it up in the first place.

Nikon's voted. stormtemplar has been missing for days.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
June 27 2010 01:48 GMT
#771
On June 27 2010 10:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2010 10:28 BrownBear wrote:
And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game.


Every reply to L takes a minimum of 10 minutes. No joke :p.


Yeah, and that's awesome. But 5 out of 15 people haven't voted yet, unless my math is off.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 27 2010 01:50 GMT
#772
Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."


The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9.

Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 27 2010 01:51 GMT
#773
I note that at the ten minute mark neither DTA nor L have gone to voting on team 9. I'll just watch for these two and if they go to 9, I'm there as well. That's voting power 11 which should have it locked down unless we have mass mafia lurking. But that will give us huge amounts of information as well.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 27 2010 01:53 GMT
#774
if I added correctly the vote count is T4:6 T6 T7:12 so any one vote switch from 7 to 6 will kill L. would it be worth it for the mafia to do that and then try to weasel out? They only need to survive one day
I can already see the ending
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 27 2010 01:54 GMT
#775
On June 27 2010 10:51 YellowInk wrote:
I note that at the ten minute mark neither DTA nor L have gone to voting on team 9. I'll just watch for these two and if they go to 9, I'm there as well. That's voting power 11 which should have it locked down unless we have mass mafia lurking. But that will give us huge amounts of information as well.


On June 27 2010 10:50 DarthThienAn wrote:
##unvote
##Team 9



o.o
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 27 2010 01:54 GMT
#776
Nah, no one will switch to me unless they want to promptly die the next day. If 7 isn't mafia, they have no incentive to switch. Maybe if 9 is as well, but we'd know almost immediately by the identity of the switcher.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 27 2010 01:55 GMT
#777
On June 27 2010 10:50 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."


The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9.

Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.


I think I misread your previous comment. I thought it was under the assumption that either one of 7/9 was mafia that the mafia would start pointing fingers, etc. I didn't realize you meant a train to get THEM lynched.

So dismiss most of what I said earlier if it doesn't make sense. >_>
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 27 2010 01:55 GMT
#778
DTA just shifted to team 9. If he shifts back to kill L, we'll hang him for it tomorrow (were L to flip town), obviously, since he used that to get my and L's vote to shift off of team 7. I see no reason for DTA to be insincere in this, it's lose lose for him.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 27 2010 01:57 GMT
#779
I changed my vote as well per my agreement to do so.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 27 2010 01:57 GMT
#780
oh fucking auto smiles. and there goes my numbers too. Its either 7 or 9 now
well, what shall it be L? am I to die tonight?
please no
I can already see the ending
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