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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 23 2010 16:54 GMT
#361
I don't mind it, it's just hard to outshine it.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 23 2010 16:54 GMT
#362
ebwop: impossible^
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-23 16:57:18
June 23 2010 16:57 GMT
#363
oops wrong thread
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 17:01 GMT
#364
For any that havn't already done so, I'd recommend just quickly flipping through bumatlarge's posts for more evidence of why I hold the stance I do. He has a solid number of posts, but many of them are spammy. LaXerCannon only has a few posts comprised of being unsure of rules, spam, and complaining of being brain scrambled.

The content from this team isn't even as good as Team 7's (now that they've picked up the ball) and what content they do have mostly paints them red.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 23 2010 17:08 GMT
#365
On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere.


Yes, the majority of the bandwagon on me happened while I was sleeping, and since Zyrre is from Europe as well, I can only assume the same for him...
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 17:11 GMT
#366
On June 24 2010 02:08 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere.


Yes, the majority of the bandwagon on me happened while I was sleeping, and since Zyrre is from Europe as well, I can only assume the same for him...

That's fine. I had just done a post count after the 24 hour mark and your team came up with 1, 2, 1 posts. That was just way too low to allow - it was a reasonable bandwagon. Glad to see you guys picking it up. Just keep it up.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 23 2010 17:14 GMT
#367
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.

bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 23 2010 17:18 GMT
#368
On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote:
BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.

I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.

Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!

So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.


Feels good man.

I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what?

DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I.

You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia .

If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum.
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#369
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
June 23 2010 17:30 GMT
#370
On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.

In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.

As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.

That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#371
On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.

In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.

As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.

That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.


I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 23 2010 18:12 GMT
#372
On June 24 2010 01:47 YellowInk wrote:
In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler +
Here is the read explanation and response to bum's pass/agg attack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987&currentpage=5#81
His continued posting style did not lend him any credit.


Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way.
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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 23 2010 18:14 GMT
#373
so this is where the votes stand now:
+ Show Spoiler +
Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)


Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)


Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)


Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)

Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)


Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6
Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez
Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote
my team is split, and I think moocow left the game
New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread.
Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons.
L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched
I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more.

I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain.

Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.
I can already see the ending
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 23 2010 18:16 GMT
#374
confusing the setups is one thing, mislynching based upon the policy of a mafia-policeman stifling conversation is another. the fact that i have backed off team 7 should nearly confirm me... i am risking dying to try to get someone who is red lynched.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 23 2010 18:19 GMT
#375
On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:
so this is where the votes stand now:
+ Show Spoiler +
Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)


Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)


Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)


Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)

Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)


Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6
Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez
Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote
my team is split, and I think moocow left the game
New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread.
Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons.
L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched
I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more.

I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain.

Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.


you act just like incognito
you provide the devil's advocates argument
then you fail to actually act on it

it's like america going to war and protesting it at the same time
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 23 2010 18:20 GMT
#376
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 23 2010 18:33 GMT
#377
The obly reason i voted for 7 was inactivity. Now that they are active, 8 is the least active. I'm sorry about my posts being confsing, im not doint it on purpose. Im trying to stay active through my phone, but I guess its hurting more then helping.
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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
June 23 2010 18:40 GMT
#378
On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.

In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.

As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.

That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.


I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?

I haven't played enough to know if that swap is good. On the face of it, it seems to be the definitive way to figure out who mafia is. It seems like coming out with no information would be fruitless?

Anyway, I'm still confused why you're advocating detective and medic use their abilities on you. Is that to waste a turn to prove you're innocent because we can't trust you or possibly because you want them wasted? I don't know. I just want some more discussion.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 23 2010 18:50 GMT
#379
On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.


Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 23 2010 18:57 GMT
#380
On June 24 2010 03:40 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.

In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.

As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.

That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.


I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?

I haven't played enough to know if that swap is good. On the face of it, it seems to be the definitive way to figure out who mafia is. It seems like coming out with no information would be fruitless?

Anyway, I'm still confused why you're advocating detective and medic use their abilities on you. Is that to waste a turn to prove you're innocent because we can't trust you or possibly because you want them wasted? I don't know. I just want some more discussion.


It normally wouldnt be, but with only 2 mafia, a Dt ca halve tthe mafias force.

I was just suggesting that I dont mind getting checked, but then mafia might as well hit someone whoo gets confirmed as townie, but then that wold have to ncludei roleblocker, which I seem to forget often enough. And that I would be a nice death for the town as im apparently suspicious, and THEY wont hit someone more useful.

Im going to wait til Iet home to post because this is a nightmare on a phone.
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