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i've also posted for access a couple of days ago on the TL Mafia Forum thread but I still don't have access yet | ||
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On June 01 2010 23:47 flamewheel wrote: BC and I will let you know when the game is ready to begin. Now that players have been finalized, we will be choosing roles and writing clues. "Choosing roles" mean the mods handpicked the players to have roles? I don't have a problem with that, just wanted to clarify. | ||
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Hopefully we won't have that problem as it is a newbies game. | ||
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Tbh no one really knows how much behind-the-scenes work is being done throughout the whole game, but you can bet on small townie groups banding together through PM in more developed stages of the game. | ||
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1. "The following morning, the town would discover the mayor BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in the town fountain." 2. "...he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway." 3. "but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face." 4. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. I see 5 possible clues listed: fountain, poison coffee, throwing knife, printer, speeding car - but theres 6 mafia so maybe I missed something (unless flamewheel being struck by lightning is the 6th) Going to read up on profiles now. | ||
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"You called down the thunder. Now reap the whirlwind." Maybe that was the "flamewheel struck by lightning clue" but flamewheel is red so I doubt that counts as a clue. CompX please justify | ||
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On June 03 2010 09:53 zeks wrote: "Choosing roles" mean the mods handpicked the players to have roles? I don't have a problem with that, just wanted to clarify. Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous. | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:18 DarthThienAn wrote: pics yo. It's the same for TyranoS's. A bit of a stretch, but I mean, the clues aren't meant to be like "OH A SITH CAME AND KILLED THE CUTEY FLAMEY." lol. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2010 12:04 zeks wrote: Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous. Actually, a lot of mods go random with their roles and setups... I know Ace and Caller did in their past few games. Can't speak for flamewheeel though, never asked. On that note, I think it's likely that a "vet" is mafia, just because of the numbers. We have ~8-10 returning mafia players, so I mean, 6/30 are mafia, pretty good odds that there are vets in the mafia circle. With 8-10 returning mafia, we'd only expect 1 vet by probability. And flamewheel specifically said BC and him chose roles. So far everyones connecting clues to everyone and its starting to get confusing. If someone could compile a "master-list" of clues that would be awesome. We should start the discussion of electing mayor/pardoner. For the record, I am running for mayor. Unfortunately I don't have time to address my campaign tonight...I'll get that done tomorrow. Hopefully by then most of us will have spoken (there are a couple people that I'm waiting to hear from in this thread). | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:37 Misder wrote: flamewheel always dies by lightning at the beginning of the day though, i think (from other mafia games). so im not sure that lightning is a clue. I dont think so either and flamewheel flipped red unless mafia can kill their own now | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:56 YellowInk wrote: I am running for mayor. I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it. One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well. So vote YellowInk for mayor. Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you. I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either. Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:06 MooCow wrote: I see, this is my first time playing, so it would be really important to get a DT or someone to check the potential mayor candidates before we vote them in right? If the DT's find anything can it be told to the public or is it private information? Looking at everything so far Zeks seems like a potential mafia and there's too little info for Yellowink. You can't check the mayor with a DT because he is selected before night and DT's can't use their role-check before night. Thus we have to believe from the get go that the mayor/pardoner we elect is not red. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:18 YellowInk wrote: Have you looked at my profile? There's nothing else in the entire opening flavor even close to linking to me, so if there's a clue pointing my way, it's the hot ink. If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3. Contrast this to anyone else who could run for mayor. There would be no way to even get close to cleaning them. If a mafia ends up winning this election, immune to rolechecks and no way to even try to investigate them, it can be absolutely devastating. Also, the DT can't use rolecheck 3 days in a row, but they can rolecheck consecutive nights. Your misquote of the rules makes me suspicious as to whether this was intentionally misleading or simply an error. I surely hope the real DTs read their roles carefully. They can rolecheck consecutive nights now? I bolded the parts you were talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong. Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer: 1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check") 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") 3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check") X can be no larger than one sentence. Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. You may not use more than 2 Role Checks in a row. Clue checks have unlimited uses. My point is that you can turn negative from that clue check with the printer ink, but you can still be positive from another clue check down the road. | ||
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I’m running for office! I’ve played mafia a couple of times on TL, 2 years ago and just getting back into it. I’ve been chosen town for all of the times I’ve played – actually for those who remember I always got medic. I will be extremely active for this game thus I would love to have a “role” and be involved in the major conversations of this game. I acknowledge the fact that people have drawn clues to me – and that my misreading on the DT role makes me somewhat suspicious. I implore you that everything I do is for the greater benefit of the town. PRELIMINARY PLAN: The plan that I have is pretty much a rip-off of plans used in past mafia games. With all the finger-pointing going on already, I want to stress that we shouldn’t look too deep into day 1 clues. It provides us with leads and brings people into the spotlight, but what is happening now is that we’re having animosity and confusion in the town. We need trust. Detectives: Now that I’ve understood that you can use consecutive role checks, I still think you should use them as quickly (or wisely) as possible. In fact, all our DTs should be role checking someone tonight. Assuming we have 2 DTs: Detective #1 (if you’re numbered somewhere between #1 - #15): do a role-check on someone from #1-#15 Detective #2 (if you’re numbered somewhere between #16-#30): do a role-check on someone from #16-#30 If you check a red, awesome! Keep that in your list, and if he posts keep track of his behavior as well. If you check a green/blue, you can make the decision whether to start the inner circle with that person. The reason I say that is the green/blue could be the Miller or the Godfather – assuming 2 millers and 1 Godfather, there is a small chance you could be checking one of them. Again, track that person’s behavior and see if there are any strong clues pointing to them…then you can decide whether to engage that person or not to start the inner circle. Medics: Honestly I don’t have a good plan with them, I’d say protect our best clue analyzers for now until we start verifying everyone. The detectives are the key to winning this game quickly and safely, so we want to make sure they at least use up all their rolechecks – thus they’d have to be alive by night 4 (if I’m not mistaken). Also I previous mentioned that we should have someone compile all the clues / accusations…if someone would love to step up that’d be great. FIRST LYNCH If elected mayor, I will lynch whoever the town sees fit; I know there’s no formal voting for tonight since the mayor gets the lynch call – but I will do a tally myself and everyone can vote for who they think should be lynched tonight. If elected pardoner, I would hope that the new mayor will also do a vote for the first lynch. In that case I promise not to pardon the first lynch. I will also make sure in the future to stop nonsense bandwagons. Well that’s all I have to say for now, I probably missed a couple things and there’s probably a couple flaws in my plan, but I am happy to answer all your questions the best I can. The important thing is more discussion so we can try to close these loopholes and come up with a very good strategy. | ||
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On June 04 2010 01:18 YellowInk wrote: First let me address Zeks' DT plan here. This is an ineffective plan. For the sake of argument assume that there are two DTs and they are distributed randomly. It's about 48.3% likely that the two DTs are in the same bracket. If this is the case, there's a solid chance there will be heavy overlap in their investigations. There's also a coin flip's chance that they won't overlap at all. Compare this to the more basic case of just allowing DTs to investigate as they please. Since they're drawing from the entire pool, there will be a mild chance at overlap in their investigations. Mild overlap is actually perfectly fine since if the two DTs both investigate the same townie, it can link their 'inner circles' so that they can collectively pool information. It's worth noting here that there will also be the risk that if the DT investigates and includes the godfather in their inner circle, they could be fed false information, so DTs should take any info fed back to them with a grain of salt. Also, Zeks has constantly impressed the DTs use up all their rolechecks as quickly as possible. While I agree that it's crucial that the DTs use up their rolechecks before they die, this doesn't necessarily mean that they have to all be used up by night 4. Having a rolecheck available in the late game when more info comes out (for instance a questionable roleclaim) can seal the deal. Rolechecking random people only gives you a 6/29 chance of hitting someone mafia aligned. Further, hitting millers will make the DT feel like they just got a mafia even though they missed. Strategic rolechecks are worth so much more than random ones. After pulling out all of the flawed thinking in Zeks' post here, there's not much left! Between this post, his misquote of the rules, and having a clue aimed at him, consider me publicly pointing the finger of suspicion at Zeks. Even if you don't think I'm the best candidate for mayor's office (though I still think I am!), don't vote for this guy. Even if the detectives are in the same bracket, the chance of them both role checking the same guy first night (given that they both picked someone random) is 1/225. I don't see how there is a "solid chance" that there'll be heavy overlap in their investigations. Of course there is no absolute FOOLPROOF plan I'm just stating a plan that I think is plausible but has a small amount of risk (I'm playing probabilities). I acknowledged the fact that DTs can somehow land Millers or the GF - which is why I also stated that if DTs land a red, they should take note of their behaviour first, and to keep track of people in a list. The point of the rolecheck is that we have an advantage from the get go regardless of the persons color. I don't understand how an overlap of investigations can link the DTs together. Perhaps you can explain that further. You are correct, I did misquote the rule and I apologize for not reading the OP correctly. Also, currently afaik there are two clues against me and I don't think they're any better than the clues we have on other people. I stated my plan: hopefully we'll hear a more constructive plan from you other than the first one that got dissected quite quickly. | ||
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On June 04 2010 02:04 DCLXVI wrote: If two (or more) DTs rolecheck the same person and then pm him/her. That person can then pm each DT letting them know about the other DT. Yes, I would like to hear the plans of all of the candidates, and all of the "clues" pointing to them. Just to clarify, there are separate votes for Mayor/pardoner right? Or is it most votes - mayor, 2nd place - pardoner? That DT-linking thing that Ink came up with seems like a good idea. | ||
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I didn't even bother to check your math (sure mine is probably wrong), my point is pretty much exactly how Lunar put it in his previous post. - DTs should rolecheck night 1 because the clues we have right now are vague (I'm not saying that just cause some point to me) - Taking into consideration that the rolecheck may hit a Miller or GF I think we should still take the risk (Whether or not the DT decides to form that inner circle judging from his rolecheck results is up to the DT's discretion) - At least we'll get somewhere by the end of night 1 | ||
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I'm not gonna bother compiling this cause I'm probably gonna make another mistake on that | ||
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On June 04 2010 17:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't get why people thinks YellowInk got good logic. Some of his arguments have major flaws in them. But that doesn't matter if he is willing to listen to logic and follow the majority. I would even go a step beyond and compare him to a pro town, a bit smarter Bill Murray. Again, there is very little chance that YellowInk is mafia. I will repeat: Mafia do not want to present themselves as the center of attention. Mafia do not go to the thread and start accusing people left and right. Mafia also do not spam post like crazy. We do not need a Mayor that is smart but might be mafia. We need a Mayor who is 100% pro town and also listen to the majority. YellowInk satisfy this. I think being inactive is somewhat of a tell for what color they are. We need a townie mayor to also move us in the right direction. I want to note that he's basically attacked every other mayor candidate thats been running (probably the softest on Darth) and ends with something like Vote YellowInk for Mayor - I don't how many times you've done that but is it supposed to be some kind of viral advertising? Yes I've played before (2 years ago), not as close to being as active as this game and I'm still learning. So, less than 24 hours to go...who are we lynching tonight? Are we going with the vote-for-lynch tonight? I forgot to mention it but thank you crate for bringing it up - with this strategy we get another vote count and another list of information we can work off of. Plus clues and possible first night role-checks the DTs should have plenty to work with. My bad, I thought I remembered that he said that he had a grudge or something before the really long counter-post. When did I ever say I have a grudge? Alls in fair game. I'm trying to play this game while at work so its kind of difficult for me to juggle between them both. I'll try to summarize the strategies we have right now later today and maybe I'll have some new ideas. Unfortunately I do have some things to attend to so I won't be checking this thread, but I'll make sure I would have said everything by then. | ||
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I expected to have a huge target on my head once I ran for mayor - and by the looks of it I'm probably not going to get a role due to my mistakes. I'm definitely going to still have a big target over me after the elections are over, but I welcome any rolechecks on me (i hope you guys dont think i'm the godfather now, rofl) I still hope to be mayor however, and if by some miracle I get elected I'll still go with my plan stated (especially the vote-for-lynch day 1) and also listen to the appeals of the town and go by majority. | ||
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Since at this point its pretty certain both of them will be elected, its just the matter of who we want as Mayor and who we want as Pardoner. Personally I'd rather have Ink as Mayor - now just cause I said that doesn't mean you guys should go lynching me day 1 @_@ crate: I totally forgot what I did in previous games lol I just remember I've always gotten town or medic - think I ran for mayor once before too just to catapult myself into a role | ||
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How many of the 4 candidates are mafia? Tbh it would definitely be a shame / missed opportunity for the mafia to not send out a candidate at all in such a crucial point of the game. | ||
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Please take note of the voting trends - another piece of crucial information. I'm more inclined to take YI for mayor right now...will cast my vote in a couple hours. And I'm hoping that the DTs aren't gonna waste their action on that printer clue check tonight.....(If that clue does end up pointing to you I'm gonna have a stroke) | ||
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On June 05 2010 02:35 bumatlarge wrote: if so, then it doesnt matter, yellow can be cecked, and if that wasnt a clue for him , nothing was There might be another clue down the road that leads to him - he's not totally spot free. On June 05 2010 02:35 bumatlarge wrote: So bb or zeks couldve have been backup or an attempt with no drawbacks. gets some mafia active anyway. Of course there are drawbacks. Currently all of the candidates have been suspected of being scum | ||
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http://www.absoluteanime.com/naruto/nara.htm ^ I just googled it and that was the first thing to come up Kinda of a farfetched link but going to throw it out there (since Zyrre suggested it) DCLXVI is roman numeral for 666 "Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face." Maybe the printer was possessed by the devil so in one freak moment it exploded? | ||
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She's the main character of an anime called Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu and that youtube video is the theme song | ||
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On June 05 2010 06:10 MooCow wrote: Voted for Darth. Think he's less likely to be mafia but I still think either or is mafia >.>. It just seems difficult for me to believe that 6 organized people can't somehow get a few votes and get a mafia into office. Well lets see if BB or I die tonight | ||
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On June 05 2010 06:15 MooCow wrote: Unless it's the mafia killing you, I hope we don't lynch the active people so far in this thread. I'm in favor of the lynching the inactive and working our way through, it would make the game more fun instead of getting rid of the active participants right away. Yeah I meant mafia | ||
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Also to add to yellow ink's plan: For detective: If your result shows mafia role, keep it to yourself. If your result shows town role, you can use him to be your spoke person (there is a small chance that the person is godfather which shows up as townie in checks). Don't think vigi can hit first night. Since the GF chose a role already day 1: History of Godfathers: TLXXII - Bill Murray chose Townie TLXVI - Mystlord chose Veteran TLXX - Foolishness chose Medic TLXVIII - SugiuraMidori chose Bodyguard, Foolishness chose Townie TLXVI - decafchicken (no idea what he chose couldn't find it in the thread) TLXV - L chose Veteran Mini Mafia 1 - Pyrrhuloxia chose Townie Pyrry's Mafia Game - ydg chose Veteran That's as far as I got I know I missed some games ... especially BC's games are so much harder to dig for information because he doesn't have wrap up threads =/ | ||
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Nice to see the increase in activity from people, especially the hard work everyones been putting on clue analysis. The clue analysis actually tells us more than the clues itself. Just wanted to add that in past games the godfather has usually chosen to be a Townie or Veteran. So far we've lost 3 townies (not bad, not the best either) but if we start losing blue roles we can start pointing fingers to the elected roles. | ||
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Are the PMs different for a vet being hit or a medic save? | ||
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Because this game is supposedly a newbies games leads me to believe that the mafia veterans (mafia who have played before) will try to make sure that the newbie mafias don't do stupid shit - like deuce is. As the night goes on it'll get more interesting with the defenses. If I had to choose between Gila and Deuce I'd choose Gila... even then I feel rather neutral about him. In fact if I had to choose I would lynch a "middle of the pack" poster (someone who is neither inactive or active, minimal contribution). | ||
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The question is which is more important for us right now: Getting rid of lurking mafia just to reduce KP or Getting rid of active mafia that's screwing around with the town and still reduce KP | ||
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However I don't agree on doing this all the way to night X | ||
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On June 08 2010 00:07 pyr0ma5ta wrote: I recognize this point. I've already stated that I don't have a major problem with lynching Deuce this round. And yeah, don't bother using a pardon on him if it gets to that. But my point about why our blues get free passes, I'd like to ask the town at large. Why does everyone seem to trust YellowInk and Darth implicitly? Their posting has implied pro-town behaviour so far, but if things go downhill I assure you they will be the first on the chopping block. | ||
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AFJ's analysis on MooCow is pretty good I'd say...especially about the newbie card thing. I mean he's got 900~ posts surely he should know how to read an OP. And thanks to that we're seeing some abnormal behaviour on MooCow...personally I think he's starting to slip up a little now. Looking towards end game: I liked LD's analysis on the 4 types of players: 1. Active town 2. Active mafia 3. Inactive town 4. Inactive mafia (what is meant by active is the amount of posting) Obviously the biggest threat is the second group but that is also the hardest one to figure out. I think its safe to assume that mafia has a mix of active and inactive to make it harder for the town. Also, I would like to add that most of us have suggested to rolecheck the active players first - and I agree...the DTs should consider doing that again unless they really feel strongly about certain players/clues. Currently all the active posters are pretty much aligned - I don't see much strong finger pointing between the active people..maybe suggesting a clue here or there. So far everyones been targeting / analyzing the semi-active and inactive posters. Don't forget about all the active people; it's going to take more time to analyze them but the more posts someone makes the more likely he is to slip up. Note that the mafia are more aware of what they post than town - they have to be more cautious/defensive in their posting because of the threat of 1. Vigi 2. DT check 3. Lynch Whereas townies we typically have nothing to hide except the fact that most of us don't really want to get lynched. The more active we are creates a fog so that mafia are less likely to hit our blues. | ||
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1. Hasn't even stood up for himself. 2. The distribution of votes is ridiculously one sided and we still have (8 hours?) to go. 3. Fairly obvious theres a bandwagon going on. I don't remember anyone trying to really "save" Deuce from the lynch from the get go where the first couple of votes started to come in ... except for a brief moment we did have a tie with Gila and Deuce ... then everybody stacked on Deuce. If however he turns red (best case scenario): We should divert our attention to the bottom of the voting list for Deuce and the short Gila list. | ||
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On June 08 2010 07:09 YellowInk wrote: Alright, we're late in day 2 and I'm headed out for a few hours. I'm not sure if I'll be back before close of voting, but even if I am, I probably won't be able to influence it much anymore. So, some parting thoughts. I think that the info on MooCow is insufficient to hang him at this time. Hanging MooCow and finding him town will make a couple people look bad, but not so badly that we could justify hanging them for it. Turning MooCow up red will similarly not implicate anyone all that strongly. Compare this to DeuceGladlier. This is an inactive poster - a strike against him because if we allow posters like this to remain in the game, other posters who may be mafia (eg Hugoboss21, CompX, etc) will have no incentive to post. Deuce may turn up green, but by the very nature that so many people are against hanging this target I am inclined to believe him more likely to be red than when I first voted for him. If he does turn up red, it's going to look very poorly on some people - strongly enough that we may have a real case. Even if it were only randomly likely that Deuce was mafia, he's still the way to go. If we allow this game to be decided by random chance (which is what happens when noone posts), the mafia win the vast majority of games. How long do you suggest we keep this up for? Once we get rid of deuce is Hugo / CompX next? On the flip side, if all we get rid of are inactive posters, the mafia will just target our assets (active posters) since they know we'll just fuck ourselves over anyway. With that of course we can focus our medics on our active posters, but theres only so many people they can watch every night. We tried once with jiabung, if we fail today again with deuce we better be rethinking our strategy. Looking at night 2, mafia spread their hits pretty evenly. Assuming MTF got hit...the mafia must've came to a conclusion that the medics were going to protect the active posters (which is a good idea) thus they decided to hit 2 guys who were 99.9% not going to get protected (Elyas and barth) and tried to kill off some town lurkers who might've been blue. They tried to get lucky on MTF but failed. After night 2 we actually came out in fairly good shape. However for night 3 I'm thinking that we're not gonna get so lucky this time and contributer(s) are going down. If Deuce flips red: Pretty sure everyones going to look at the Gila list first, or who wasn't for this lynch - probably wondering if they tried to start a bandwagon, and the people who voted for Deuce last to check for bandwagoners. I'm very uncertain that Deuce will flip red because I think the mafia would do more than that to save a fellow teammate. Look how easily the votes stacked up. If Deuce flips green: We look at the people who started the "bandwagon". Unfortunately we won't be able to come to many conclusions because most of them are our leaders and active posters - and its rather easy to say "we were just unlucky thats all - let's try another inactive" and everyone would most likely dismiss it as an honest mistake. If we hang MooCow we'd have more information in the fact that he's talked more and theres actually stuff to analyze - plus his behaviour has been weird lately anyway. And it would also imply somewhat who's town and who's not. Am I for this lynch? Somewhat. Will I end up voting for him? Maybe. Will it matter? No. I can see the fact that an inactive poster is as good as dead anyway but its a shot in the dark. I can live with deuce dying today, but again, if he flips green, there better be no more of this crap happening with the day 3 lynch - we're getting rid of some real people. If he flips red you can say I told you so. | ||
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On June 08 2010 07:14 MooCow wrote: The stuff above answers the spoilered posts. Now what's confusing is the time at which you came back to call me out and the people that are voting for me, other than you are DCLXVI and Misder. Both are low posters and posted close to each other. Misder also posts 2 minute right after you saying almost the same thing. You accused LunarDestiny of doing the bandwagon thing and it seems like you're trying to create one right now. Are you trying to imply that DCLXVI, Misder, and AFJ are a mafia bandwagon? As for your timing window argument you think posting around the same time makes you mafia? I dont think the mafia are always all logged in at the same time to post simulateneously. Think about the risks we are running to vote for you. We are most likely going to be a small list of voters voting against you and in the case you turn green, we are all going to get blamed for it. Vig hits, future lynches, dt checks you name it. Besides the town wouldn't be missing too much of your finger pointing and "clue analysis" if you're dead. You're practically as confusing as deuce...and we'd get more out of you dead then deuce dead (whether you turn green or red - because you are definitely not a blue) | ||
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On June 08 2010 09:48 onihunter wrote: I'm still not convinced about MooCow. He's pretty active, and losing him would legitimately be a loss for us if he flips green. Deuce, on the other hand, is 100% useless and, whether he flips green or red, it's not BAD for us. If we kill MooCow, we're letting deuce live another day (WOOHOO!) and we lose a contributor if MooCow's green, which is more likely imo. So I'm keeping my vote on deuce. can you elaborate on how MooCow has contributed other than echoing / agreeing / piggybacking on other people's ideas? | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:36 DarthThienAn wrote: *big sigh* one bad option vs the other. Will I regret it if I switch ? lol. I don't really get how some of the people who vote for deuce think he's gonna flip green anyway .. if you think he's green then don't vote for him If it were upto me I'd rather lose MooCow as a green than deuce as a green. | ||
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 it would still be 11-10 for deucefucking deuce had to vote for himself .... looks like he actually managed to kill himself off the game | ||
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ofc i hope you choose the baller path and switch | ||
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I do take reponsibility for fucking up and hitting a green, but I don't regret getting Moo hung over deuce. I accept the fact that I'm much less credible now. As for my post #915 - me arguing that the original bandwagon aren't mafia. It was not my intention to imply that although I do think AFJ is pro town. I was unimpressed by the fact that MooCow was just randomly pointing fingers at everyone mildly suspicious for the whole game. Once AFJ started attacking him he got all defensive which was what I found fishy. Also, to be honest I never would've thought we actually had a chance to lynch MooCow until the final 30 minutes and people started switching over - then the impossible happened. I never knew it was common for Mafia to be inactive - I haven't personally gone through many Mafia games myself so I wouldn't know, but I would assume there would be a mix of active and inactive - and I still maintain that getting rid of the active ones is more important. | ||
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So LD RC'd Townie?...interesting. | ||
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Before he could withdraw the gun though, something flew through the air, blinding pyr0ma5ta as it hit him in the face. As he clawed at the suffocating object, it released an electrical shock that brought pyr0ma5ta to his knees. (One of) 3 Lions' favorite player is Effort and Effort recently beat Flash in OSL so it was a "flash" that blinded pyr0ma5ta? As he lay there, stunned, he heard footsteps approaching him. The last thing pyr0ma5ta would hear was the sound of his killer's heavy breathing. 3 Lions also has a pic of a bboy and bboys have a lot of tricks and steps so after he got tired and started to breathe hard? Anyways off for the night. RIP AFJ we needed you man | ||
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On June 10 2010 06:56 LaXerCannon wrote: Best Outcome If onihunter flips red, it would make DTA that much closer to being a townie. We can start developing a town circle and proceed from there. I think this applies even if oni flips miller. | ||
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Key things oni has said: I'm still not convinced about MooCow. He's pretty active, and losing him would legitimately be a loss for us if he flips green. Deuce, on the other hand, is 100% useless and, whether he flips green or red, it's not BAD for us. If we kill MooCow, we're letting deuce live another day (WOOHOO!) and we lose a contributor if MooCow's green, which is more likely imo. So I'm keeping my vote on deuce. ....Wtf I did not catch that. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he "follows mafia threads" and "posts like a retard," since thats only one thread and the only retard here is deuce, but that's a major hole in his story, since he's supposed to be a newbie. As I promised, I'm switching to MooCow (which probably won't change the voting results, but, hey, it might). Leads me to think that deuce should be green as well. If MooCow was red I doubt oni would've switched because he'd be increasing the chance of a mafia dying (voting was sort of tight at that point). He only switched because MooCow was green and he probably wanted to even out the mafia votes...he probably felt that too many of them had stacked on deuce. Plus of course he knew both were green so it didn't matter who died. He switched because he felt safe switching since we had a large stack on MooCow already he wouldn't be that suspicious. Key people he did analysis on neutral for AFJ (Page 43) neutral-town for littlechava (Page 43) neutral for zyrre (Page 43) neutral-mafia for DCLXVI (Page 43) I skimmed over his analysis, theres probably some hints in there but I'm hoping someone else will do it ... if not I'll do it later. Take note that he definitely picked specific targets to analyze to achieve something. Personally, I'm not "very certain" about either of them, but definitely more so for YI and DTA (since they are both very active and have given good tips/strategies), so that narrows it down. Between the two, I'm more comfortable with voting for DTA because he's less provocative and seems to be more level-headed. Also, Darth lacks any clues (at least right now) so I've decided (finally) to vote for him. Really, both seem fine to me, but my gut says DTA. My vote for first lynch would also go to laxer since he's on both lists, making him the best choice imo. Agree with laxer being safe. What I'm saying is, the active will most likely be not targeted or will be protected, so 3 townies will almost certainly die tonight. Am I right in my analysis? Needed clarification and confidence to make sure all the targets mafia hit go through. With all the discussion on protecting active players mafia chose 2 people who would certainly die and went for a lucky shot on MTF. but on the other hand, if you're mafia it's easy to hide... I wonder wtf this means. | ||
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On June 10 2010 12:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Very simple answer. Maybe he played mafia before and knows that when someone declares someone else mafia with a dt checks, then the accused would almost always be lynched. No his declaration of finding mafia through a DT check is only justified because I think for the past 50 some pages he has established himself as more town than mafia. | ||
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then deuce would've died; and if deuce was red the mafia would've stacked on one of their own which makes no sense (Note that most of the voters for MooCow were people who switched from deuce) Some mafia definitely switched over to MooCow to even out votes (ala onihunter) but I'm pretty sure most of them are stashed on the deuce list. | ||
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LaXerCannon - forgot who analyzed him but we kinda established he was protown because oni had suggested he was mafia / lynching him (something of that sort don't quote me) in the beginning of the game pyr0ma5ta - dead, confirmed town CompX bumatlarge so that leaves CompX and bumatlarge and it doesn't help that they voted near the end CompX pretty much posts only after day/night posts and I would say bumatlarge needs some analyzing if it hasnt been done already. | ||
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I just want to note I never switched, my first vote was cast on MooCow not that it matters to most of you but I understand your suspicion YI (besides I've been suspicious to most of you since the beginning, don't know why though I think you guys should read over all my posts). As much as the voters near the middle on MooCow should be suspected, the ones on deuce should be too - so many of them are inactive/useless. Plus I always thought you were in support of lynching inactives first | ||
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On June 11 2010 08:48 crate wrote: @zeks, DCL: The wagon against Deuce was derailed by Darth. Don't mistake yourself that LunarDestiny put on the killing blow or that AFJ made the first argument and vote. Darth was a six-vote swing AND he's the mayor AND I gather he has the town's trust. Mentally remove Darth's vote-switch and go look at the voting history; there was no chance that MooCow was gonna die. And then suddenly with one swoop that at least I didn't see coming he's two votes away. I have acknowledged that multiple times in my past posts. Mafia could never see it coming that MooCow was going to die. Regardless seeing that something was forming they needed to balance out the votes. zeks -I notice his name doesn't have a capital "Z"; I feel like he's playing an awful lot like he did in Pyrry's game so I think he's town (even down to the exact same type of slip-ups). Most likely not a power role unless perhaps it's veteran. As far I as remember I never played since after Pyrry's game rofl ... or maybe one game don't remember which one I was medic for. Regardless I didn't do so hot in either. | ||
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#1062 Thinks the Mafia on deuce's bandwagon would probably have stayed there because it was so well established. It would have stayed there if the MooCow argument never existed. If AFJ never came up with the MooCow thing we'd have something like a 17-5 vote split for deuce and Gila respectively. #1106 Posts trying to link clues to 3 Lions. Misses the stronger links outlined later on, but obviously 3 Lions is pretty likely connected to the (later) clues. If 3 Lions is red would that not practically clear my name? #1158 Analysis post on onihunter. He uses the fact that onihunter supported lynching deuce initially and only switched to MooCow later when the bandwagon was fairly well established as evidence that deuce is probably still green. He thinks that onihunter probably only switched because the result didn't matter, and he wanted to evenly distribute Mafia votes. I disagree with this inerpretation - I think there were probably quite a few Mafia on board with MooCow's lynching. Even as onihunter said, losing MooCow as a townie would be a bigger loss than losing deuce, so I think it's likely that a lot of Mafia jumped onto the MooCow bandwagon when they realized it was a possibility. Don't know about deuce, but I feel like he probably is just a retarded townie (I guess we'll find out for sure when he's modkilled this round). Losing MooCow would be only a slightly bigger loss than deuce (like 1 millimeter more). I won't argue how effective MooCow was the whole game, but sure I accept the fact some people think MooCow was more useful than deuce. #1209/1210 He's convinced that the MooCow bandwagon was not a Mafia ploy, and deuce is green because onihunter turned against him quickly. The MooCow bandwagon was started by a townie. Mafia used it to cover themselves up by spreading the votes evenly and to take out a better player (most of you agree MooCow was more useful than deuce). They were taking advantage of our "mistake" if you want to call it that. #1213 Again says he's sure that most of the mafia were against deuce. Yes, until the MooCow option came up for them. #1214 Post about Gila bandwagon - he clears LaXer because onihunter supported his lynching early in the game, says CompX/bumatlarge are suspicious because they voted near the end. This confuses me (even though CompX is suspicious). Why would the mafia waste two votes? The only plus side is that they wouldn't be involved in the lynching of a green, so there wouldn't be much suspicion cast on them compared to the others. Because I think without MooCow they would've possibly spread their votes with Gila. Then the MooCow thing came up so they used him instead of Gila. I'm still pretty sure zeks is Mafia. Well I said what I said I feel like I'm incriminating myself now for being so defensive all of a sudden. But the main point I want to establish is how mafia was distributed in those voting lists. | ||
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I'm probably the person that has had the most people point at me - if I'm not #1 probably #2 or #3 | ||
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I was really skeptical of DTA yesterday with all the clues suggesting it was him (force push, force lightning, heavy breathing, that inexplicable leg explosion thingy on YI) but I know better than to lynch on clues alone. DTA has done enough to warrant my trust - as have MTF/crate suggested also. Nothing really to add. I was more skepetical of DTA when bum RCed Miller and weirdly oni didn't. But seeing the way bum is acting right now I don't regret voting for him even if he does end up miller. | ||
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Clutch rolechecks by the DTs. | ||
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