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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
DCLXVI Posts since the game began: 20 Votes: YellowInk for mayor and no one for lynch yet Notes: Says that ink clue check clears YellowInk pretty early Says DTs not linking circles = good b/c of the godfather #278: Sort of distrustful of DTA (?) #370: Analyzes each candidate. “I don't like either of my guesses about YI or zeks, but I suppose zeks is the most likely townie. DTA and BB are hard to decide on.” Puts some heat on Tyranos at the end of the post Says that he doesn’t trust ppl very much in this game #389: “voted YI because at the moment DTA seems more likely mafia” “Seriously though, trying to figure out DTA is driving me crazy.” Somewhat distrustful of him? Agrees with MooCow that one of the elected is probably scum Says we should hang littlechava if thegilaboy flips townie after lynched, since littlechava accused him so quickly w/o clue connection and such Thinks voting off clues is a bad idea (multiple times) Puts out more of the MTF-conspiracy theory Thoughts: About 1/3 to 1/2 of his posts don’t have much content, so potentially putting on the façade of being active while really not, something mafia would do. Doesn’t like clue analysis, which might also indicate he’s mafia because clues are naturally always targeted towards mafia. Rather aggressive statement in the accusation towards littlechava, something that should be noted. More analysis of the MTF-conspiracy theory can also be mafia-like, since the mafia obviously failed to kill MTF last night, and DCL may be trying to make the best of that by putting MTF under the spotlight. I’m kind of suspicious of him right now, for the above reasons. Leaning more mafia than townie atm. For: YellowInk, zeks Against: Tyranos, littlechava | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
Gilaboy + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2010 02:25 Thegilaboy wrote: Go go gadget analysis! Random number generator created these individual's numbers for analysis. 8. MooCow Plays the newbie card a lot, this much is true. He may actually be a legit newbie, but some of his questions are easily answered in the OP. Was hesitant about both our elected candidates, and repeatedly mentioned that mafia will almost certainly get someone in office. Does he still believe this, and if so who does he think is more likely to be scum between the two? You've warned us all to be weary of them, just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter still. Started putting clues together at the start of Day 2. Does a good job here in both making connections to various profiles, while at the same time acknowledging that we shouldn't jump to conclusions so soon. Also understands our need to get active posters in order to get reads off of that. I'm interested in his earlier looks at zeks and wondering if you've thought anymore about that at all? Sure he plays the newbie card, but hey this is a newbie game for the most part. My gut reaction right now is that he is pro-town. I'd like to hear more of his thoughts on suspecting our elects, and if he has anymore thoughts on zeks. 26. pyr0ma5ta In the election he opted not to vote for YI or zeks as they had clues pointing to them. He even went so far as to say: On June 04 2010 08:02 pyr0ma5ta wrote: Yellowink, not only will not vote for you as mayor at this point, at this point I am leaning towards lynching you first. Still feel this way pyr0? Later on accused me of making a stretch accusation with the whole Tiny the Giant thing, but considering the fact that I've never played nor looked into Dota ever, I had no idea of the character's existence. That being said, he promptly decided he would vote for me. So it goes though, everyone is certainly free to vote as they see fit. Began to argue against voting for Deuce, claiming that they are reasons some people stay off the radar. What interests me most though are he most recent posts, saying that we shouldn't be trusting our elects necessarily. I ask the same thing of you that I asked of MooCow, do you have any more specific thoughts on the matter. Besides just saying we should suspect them, at this point do you have anymore solid thoughts on the matter, or perhaps an individual you would like to focus on for analysis? Things like that could be very helpful for everyone, and I'd just like to know your opinion on the matter. 23. CompX Here is a super inactive poster, who started our game with the bold claim that: On June 03 2010 11:09 CompX wrote: guys, I think ElyAs can be a mafia His accusation was based on flamewheel dying from lightning, something that is a recurring theme is his games. Then suddenly poof, he's gone. Returns 600 some posts later to reiterate the fact that MooCow and Tyranos both have the same profile and could be linked to barth's death by their ability to defy the laws of physics. And he returns to Elyas by taking a look at his death. Makes the call of attributing the death to a silent killer, and primary suspects are then myself and zeks in his eyes. He knows a lot about the character in zeks' profile, and he seems to be a ninja of sorts. At this point in time I really would like to see CompX post more. I know he said he'll be inactive because of school, but a 600 post gap between he's thoughts is a bit much. I'm inclined not to trust him because of his very early call of accusing Elyas of being mafia, something that didn't hold any merit at all. That's what I've got for now. Probably should take care of a few RL responsibilities right now Yea I did have more thoughts on zeks and I have continually posts my thoughts and suspicious on that person. My later thoughts on Zeks. On the thought of the mayor/pardoner the only reason I am suspicious of Darth is when we first started the game I remember LunarDestiny voting for Darth right away and a bandwagon was sort of created for him but he seems town for the time being. I'm a bit more suspicious of YI as everyone was at the start but I still am. i thought this post was a bit weird in a sense that it seems YI is a bit strong in the sense that maybe he got Darth to lynch jiabung instead of Tyranos. YI post. We don't get to see the pm's between them but it's just a thought. But as I said before I trust them for the time being. Giving my thoughts on pyr0ma5ta randomed him. First 3 posts in the thread he admits to being a newbie to the game and asks not to be lynch for voting too early. He is suspicious of YI but votes for Darth given the choices but I also think this was bandwagon because Darth had so many votes. He again remains wary of YI as Darth calls him out for making a huge statement of wanting to lynch YI. He's one of the people that doesn't agree with lynching the inactive and wants to lynch a potential mafia He also, like me, doesn't want people to completely trust YI and Darth - post My thoughts on him he might be trying to protect Deuce but he later concedes into lynching Deuce. I also don't think Deuce is mafia, probably just an inactive townie. I think he's a townie that's just a bit paranoid about YI and Darth for probably the same reasons as me. | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:07 littlechava wrote: Nah, I'm still right. All you've done is make a couple garbage posts calling me out, which I then defended. Then you keep bring it up again whenever possible, without refuting anything that I've said. ... spoilered for those who don't want to have to see this stupid argument + Show Spoiler + No need to get defensive about it. I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out. That said, Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice since he's one of the few with multiple clues pointing towards him. If I was going to vote based solely on clues, I'd be voting for either Thegilaboy or zeks. so you say that the clues are weak but somewhat useful, and if we would vote off them then we should vote TGB (or zeks). You also say that TGB would be a decent vote option. Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. I reply that you should not just just vote for TGB randomly since you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice" and provided no clues or post history. Did you notice the part where I said "If I was going to vote based solely on clues"? And really? Try to list out a few possible clue connections? Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy. yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues or you think that the clues are enough evidence. Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. I reply that there are not a few clues, and saying that "Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy" is just dumb. MTF also helps to undermine the DT "clue" with: Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. next comes your response: I think that trying to hang someone off of clues is a bad idea as well. Good job on completely ignoring the first part of my post that you quoted, where I said "I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out." So basically, you're agreeing with what I said while trying to thrust suspicion onto me. Wtf? Also, yes, the posts that mention clues regarding Thegilaboy mention Dark Templar. That is because Dark Templar are sneaky and kill quickly. The fact that they're sneaky and kill quickly connects them to the clues in the day 2 post. Nowhere in my post about clues did I say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him". as I said before: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues (which you do not present) or you think that the clues are enough evidence. So I do not agree with you. Nice response to my "where are the clues, please" - stating one weak clue. You don't even try to bring up scum sounding posts by TGB so your entire argument is based of clues... And finally, you did not say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him" but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice". As in, we could vote for TGB because he has some clues pointing to him (and by that you mean one weak clue) Are you happy that I finally responded? I'm not. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote: pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; What bans? | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote: Voting for Deuce due to his inactivity and he just seems like he doesn't want to be in this game. AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; Hmm what do we do now that pyr0 is banned for two days? What is the general rule in mafia games if somebody gets a temp ban from the forums? | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=306#6127 | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:44 Thegilaboy wrote: Hmm what do we do now that pyr0 is banned for two days? What is the general rule in mafia games if somebody gets a temp ban from the forums? It's only two days, so generally it's treated as if he's still here. He's posted and voted, so he's good for this cycle, and he'll just have to come in at the tail for the next one. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
Says that ink clue check clears YellowInk pretty early yeah, that was pretty dumb, I think I changed my opinion about that early on though Puts some heat on Tyranos at the end of the post I did not realize that people could change their vote at the time. I thought that he was voting without reading the thread fully. I still stand by lynching him for his inactivity if we decide to lynch inactives. Puts out more of the MTF-conspiracy theory I fleshed out the conspiracy theory and provided a solution... what is wrong with that? (besides my solution having a massive error I overlooked  )I was going to point out your error in having stated only my old opinions on people until I realized that I never updated my opinions in the thread :/ | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:23 YellowInk wrote: @DTA I think you might be misreading the rule against using deliberate modkill as a bargaining chip? Well yea, but what I meant is that I don't see any mention of how lynching works other than right there. @pyro getting banned: pretty strategic if all but 1 of the mafia got themselves tempbanned for 2 days. lolol. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:55 DarthThienAn wrote: Well yea, but what I meant is that I don't see any mention of how lynching works other than right there. @pyro getting banned: pretty strategic if all but 1 of the mafia got themselves tempbanned for 2 days. lolol. I expect pyr0 to continue reading and will owe us deep analysis when he comes back to make up for his lost time. Just like I expect more from some of the people who didn't say much on day 1 to be doing double duty today or they'll make it onto my short list tonight. Also, if they made a habit of this, it'd get really obvious. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote: Voting for Deuce due to his inactivity and he just seems like he doesn't want to be in this game. AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; Shit I hope pyr0ma5ta can still post in the mafia forum T_T And voting for Deuce because he doesn't want to be in the game is not a good reason. That would imply that he's probably not mafia so we DONT want to lynch him. I'm trying to be civil here rather than yelling at you for saying retarded mafia-like things since your analysis of pyr0 was decent, I hope you appreciate it. I am going to firmly state that I think we should figure out a more juicy target for today's lynching than deuce. If we can't come to somewhat of an agreement, then I am fine with deuce. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll flip red, meaning he's an absolutely retarded mafia and his team doesn't have control over him. But I find that event rather unlikely. I suggest someone analyzes LunarDestiny's post history. He's had bandwagony voting behavior, namely recently for deuce, and gives a very weak reason for suspecting him as shown in my short exchange with him: AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 22:17 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: In the K-pop thread, he has two posts on June 5th and one on June 7th. So basically just one post on teamliquid outside the mafia since the game has really started. I'd hardly call that someone active on TL outside mafia. I really think he's a terrible target at this point. At the moment I'm suspicious of MooCow (less now) and people going after Deuce (8 people voted for him, there could easily be a few mafia mixed in there) because in my eyes he's such an obviously terrible target. And if he flipped green everyone on that list has the excuse that they are promoting active posting and thats why they voted for him. | ||
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:55 DCLXVI wrote: @onihunter yeah, that was pretty dumb, I think I changed my opinion about that early on though I did not realize that people could change their vote at the time. I thought that he was voting without reading the thread fully. I still stand by lynching him for his inactivity if we decide to lynch inactives. I fleshed out the conspiracy theory and provided a solution... what is wrong with that? (besides my solution having a massive error I overlooked )I was going to point out your error in having stated only my old opinions on people until I realized that I never updated my opinions in the thread :/ I probably should have noted that my notes are chronological; I just wrote down a summary of people's posts as I went through their posting histories, so yeah, their views could change dramatically since the beginning. | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
AFJ + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2010 04:07 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote: Voting for Deuce due to his inactivity and he just seems like he doesn't want to be in this game. AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; Shit I hope pyr0ma5ta can still post in the mafia forum T_T And voting for Deuce because he doesn't want to be in the game is not a good reason. That would imply that he's probably not mafia so we DONT want to lynch him. I'm trying to be civil here rather than yelling at you for saying retarded mafia-like things since your analysis of pyr0 was decent, I hope you appreciate it. I am going to firmly state that I think we should figure out a more juicy target for today's lynching than deuce. If we can't come to somewhat of an agreement, then I am fine with deuce. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll flip red, meaning he's an absolutely retarded mafia and his team doesn't have control over him. But I find that event rather unlikely. I suggest someone analyzes LunarDestiny's post history. He's had bandwagony voting behavior, namely recently for deuce, and gives a very weak reason for suspecting him as shown in my short exchange with him: AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 22:17 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: In the K-pop thread, he has two posts on June 5th and one on June 7th. So basically just one post on teamliquid outside the mafia since the game has really started. I'd hardly call that someone active on TL outside mafia. I really think he's a terrible target at this point. At the moment I'm suspicious of MooCow (less now) and people going after Deuce (8 people voted for him, there could easily be a few mafia mixed in there) because in my eyes he's such an obviously terrible target. And if he flipped green everyone on that list has the excuse that they are promoting active posting and thats why they voted for him. Another reason i'm voting for Deuce is that if he was a mafia he would be doing enough to get pass the modkill and remain in the game. I agreed with you in one of your earlier posts that I don't really think that Deuce is a mafia but just someone that's bored of the game but on the chance that he is mafia, good for us but if he isn't then I don't see how we would lose much because he doesn't do anything anyway. I will say I have no problem changing my vote from Deuce to anyone else if there is strong evidence that the new suspect is indeed mafia. But let's look at the possible candidates we have so far other than Deuce. We have *MooCow (1 Vote - AFJ) *TheGilaBoy ( 3 Votes - LaXerCannon, Compx and pyromaster(banned for 2 days) ) I won't vote for myself and at the start of day 2 I did some analysis on Gilaboy and even put him up as a possible mafia based on his clues/profile. I just don't think theres enough concrete stuff to vote Gilaboy and the people that did vote for him were made suspect by Lunar when he viewed their posting habit. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
1. Hasn't even stood up for himself. 2. The distribution of votes is ridiculously one sided and we still have (8 hours?) to go. 3. Fairly obvious theres a bandwagon going on. I don't remember anyone trying to really "save" Deuce from the lynch from the get go where the first couple of votes started to come in ... except for a brief moment we did have a tie with Gila and Deuce ... then everybody stacked on Deuce. If however he turns red (best case scenario): We should divert our attention to the bottom of the voting list for Deuce and the short Gila list. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On June 08 2010 03:41 DCLXVI wrote: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues or you think that the clues are enough evidence. No. That's not what it was saying. Reread my post. It was all about clues. I didn't think clues were enough evidence. That's why I said that. as I said before: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues (which you do not present) or you think that the clues are enough evidence. So I do not agree with you. Nice response to my "where are the clues, please" - stating one weak clue. You don't even try to bring up scum sounding posts by TGB so your entire argument is based of clues... And finally, you did not say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him" but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice". As in, we could vote for TGB because he has some clues pointing to him (and by that you mean one weak clue) Yes, that post was obviously based on clues. That was the whole point. There is more than one clue linking to Thegilaboy. Day 1: Poison. Day 2: DT. MTM's post doesn't rule anything out. We don't know exactly how the clues are going to relate to people. Let me clarify for you what the first post meant. First part: Clues may be weak, but need to be pointed out. Second part: If voting based on clues, Thegilaboy makes sense. I will accept that saying it wasn't such a terrible choice was wrong, since voting so rashly is a pretty bad idea. Tip: threatening to lynch people at the drop of a hat is also a pretty bad idea. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
I'll try to actually do some public behavior analysis when I get back home tonight. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 08 2010 04:32 zeks wrote: I am 70% sure Deuce will flip green. 1. Hasn't even stood up for himself. 2. The distribution of votes is ridiculously one sided and we still have (8 hours?) to go. 3. Fairly obvious theres a bandwagon going on. I don't remember anyone trying to really "save" Deuce from the lynch from the get go where the first couple of votes started to come in ... except for a brief moment we did have a tie with Gila and Deuce ... then everybody stacked on Deuce. If however he turns red (best case scenario): We should divert our attention to the bottom of the voting list for Deuce and the short Gila list. Look there are at least 3 of us who are against knee-jerk voting for deuce and for finding a more suitable candidate. I'm pretty sure others in the town would be inclined to listen and change their votes if we come up with a better alternative. I've already pointed the finger at one active person, MooCow, but other inactive people like hugoboss, misder, and 3 Lions seem like viable alternatives to deuce (they have at least made a few posts with content which means they might be trying to put on the appearance of contributing while hiding in inactivity). | ||
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