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On May 27 2010 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:21 Caller wrote: k its official
faction leaders officially suck ass I am pretty sure the fact that no recruit actually had to help their leader, and could actively use their abilities against them + vocally speak up in game if you let them know they were recruited made it hard. Neutrals had absolutely no reason to help leaders, at all. The moment you said neutrals could win (you made a 5th faction) it went from 1v1v1v1 to 1v1v1v1v20. :p you could have predicted this well before hand.
But at the same time, that woulda meant having 20 or so inactives in the first day because no one would care ^^. Maybe coulda been better if it was 2v2v2v2v16, which no neutral victory? or even going 3's although that makes a shorter game.
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My only regret was not taking BC down with me!
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On May 27 2010 12:23 Iaaan wrote: well, gg.
You were very vocal this game Fishball (: Never seen you post so much before.
Because this isn't a Mafia game. There are no "bad guys"; You don't die for speaking up, especially not when your shit actually makes some sense.
I actually wasn't going to join this game in the first place. I already played a few games in a row, and the last game I played, I was totally out of it. I was planning to take at least a 6 months break or so. However Three Kingdoms does have a special place in my heart, and when I saw LR signed up, I signed up too.
Then I found out about this 1v1v1v1 no-loyalty-whatsoever BS. I regretted. I fished BC on MSN the first day and found out he was Liu Bei (Long story). I told him my role and said if he doesn't recruit me, then I would really have no goal or motivation to play the game. This was prior the neutral victory idea was brought up.
I don't want to flash back too much in detail right now, so I'll just talk about some key moments/issues. Early on, you guys will remember me questioning about the players "loyalty". Radfield will remember me pointing out that players recruited does not necessarily have to stay loyal to his leader. This is a HUGE issue. Caller later told us, even if players are recruited by a faction, the player can still use their power on their own faction. Let's say if we recruit BrownBear, he can still kill us anytime he wants. Keep in mind this is not Mafia, we don't have any KP at all. There is no way for us to get rid of any players.
We asked Caller whether we would win if we eliminated YT, as Shu would be the remaining faction. His answer was no, as he counted neutrals as a faction (Different from the original rule). When Caller made the neutral a "faction", all the leaders were already at a huge disadvantage. Dissapointed, but to be expected.
Basically the only way for Shu to win at this point, is to keep recruiting, and hopefully survive the next 8 or more cycles. Fat chance.
Side note, BC was afk the majority of the time. His visitor pisses me off. He also fucked up the roleclaim. That's not what I told him to say, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
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Oh, and really, lol + WTF + !@#$ to BM.
His shit, from start, to the end, never made any sense. He contradicted himself like a hundred times, as if he just posts whatever drops out of his ass at the time.
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On May 12 2010 15:58 Bill Murray wrote: i promise to play as poorly as humanly possible
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On May 27 2010 12:50 Fishball wrote: Oh, and really, lol + WTF + !@#$ to BM.
His shit, from start, to the end, never made any sense. He contradicted himself like a hundred times, as if he just posts whatever drops out of his ass at the time.
From the beginning of the game to now, I'm still confused about BM.
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On May 27 2010 12:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:23 Iaaan wrote: well, gg.
You were very vocal this game Fishball (: Never seen you post so much before. Because this isn't a Mafia game. There are no "bad guys"; You don't die for speaking up, especially not when your shit actually makes some sense. I actually wasn't going to join this game in the first place. I already played a few games in a row, and the last game I played, I was totally out of it. I was planning to take at least a 6 months break or so. However Three Kingdoms does have a special place in my heart, and when I saw LR signed up, I signed up too. Then I found out about this 1v1v1v1 no-loyalty-whatsoever BS. I regretted. I fished BC on MSN the first day and found out he was Liu Bei (Long story). I told him my role and said if he doesn't recruit me, then I would really have no goal or motivation to play the game. This was prior the neutral victory idea was brought up. I don't want to flash back too much in detail right now, so I'll just talk about some key moments/issues. Early on, you guys will remember me questioning about the players "loyalty". Radfield will remember me pointing out that players recruited does not necessarily have to stay loyal to his leader. This is a HUGE issue. Caller later told us, even if players are recruited by a faction, the player can still use their power on their own faction. Let's say if we recruit BrownBear, he can still kill us anytime he wants. Keep in mind this is not Mafia, we don't have any KP at all. There is no way for us to get rid of any players. We asked Caller whether we would win if we eliminated YT, as Shu would be the remaining faction. His answer was no, as he counted neutrals as a faction (Different from the original rule). When Caller made the neutral a "faction", all the leaders were already at a huge disadvantage. Dissapointed, but to be expected. Basically the only way for Shu to win at this point, is to keep recruiting, and hopefully survive the next 8 or more cycles. Fat chance. Side note, BC was afk the majority of the time. His visitor pisses me off. He also fucked up the roleclaim. That's not what I told him to say, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
yeah, tbh, i think loyalty should have been more... important. for instance, if I were Hesmyrr, I would have immediately switched to play for my faction. Same as if I had been recruited any of the nights. lol.
I would have been fine with not having a neutral win, but I definitely wouldn't have been as involved in the game as I was.
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On May 27 2010 12:54 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:50 Fishball wrote: Oh, and really, lol + WTF + !@#$ to BM.
His shit, from start, to the end, never made any sense. He contradicted himself like a hundred times, as if he just posts whatever drops out of his ass at the time.
From the beginning of time to now, I'm still confused about BM.
Agreed and fixed.
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I would prefer if faction leaders start with 2 permanent recruits.
Liu Bei: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei. Cao Cao: Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan. Sun Quan: Zhou Yu, Lu Meng. Zhang Jiao: Zhang Bao, Zhang Liang.
EDIT:and eliminate Yellow Turban Faction.
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On May 27 2010 12:59 LunarDestiny wrote: I would prefer if faction leaders start with 2 permanent recruits.
Liu Bei: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei. Cao Cao: Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan. Sun Quan: Zhou Yu, Lu Meng. Zhang Jiao: Zhang Bao, Zhang Liang.
EDIT:and eliminate Yellow Turban Faction.
So...
Liu Bei: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei. Cao Cao: Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan. Sun Quan: Zhou Yu, Lu Meng.
Zhang Jiao: Zhang Bao, Zhang Liang.
That would work as well. lol. The only thing you need to think about (esp. if neutral is a faction) is balance in numbers between those in factions and those not.
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There should never be a neutral win in the first place.
Neutral should instead advertise themselves hoping to be recruited.
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On May 27 2010 13:06 LunarDestiny wrote: There should never be a neutral win in the first place.
Neutral should instead advertise themselves hoping to be recruited.
lol. prostitution.
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That was a strange game, definitely looking forward to seeing the role list though. xD
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On May 27 2010 11:32 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:29 LunarDestiny wrote:To explain why Bill Murray didn't die (heaven's will?) My 2nd amendment (johnnyspazz->Bill Murray) was made after Caller frozen the day actions. On May 26 2010 09:47 johnnyspazz wrote: YEAH GO KILL TREZEQUET23! i got a worthless ability since wu is dead It seems johnnyspazz wasn't lying about his role either since Zhang Liao is famous for holding 200,000 troops led by Sun Quan with 7000 troops defending He Fei. Should look at Johnnyspazz's other posts for some information. His other posts are mainly trolling, joking around, or not substantial. -_- so wait, he held off 200,000 Wu troops with 7,000 on his side? ...damn. That's like 300 yo. I wonder what that would make his role though... can't be recruited by Wu? Too specific and lame. Kills Wu if they recruit him? Eh... still too specific. Dunno. yeah i just can't be recruited by wu sick ability imo
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Caller, can you release a list of actions that took place on day 1?
I want to see if I broke the 7 mark. I'm betting on 6.
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Well its over. o.O I'm still not sure whether or not I actually enjoyed this game but I'll remember it since it was so crazy and un-mafia-like.
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GG all!
Wooooo. Now that we've won, time to erect a fucking statue in hesmyrr's honor. He was the first to decide to sacrifice himself for the neutrals, and he got the ball rolling and actually made us a coherent faction instead of a bunch of guys saying "hey lets kill faction leaders lol."
GJ everyone. We did it.
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As a spectator I really felt that neutrals who had been recruited yet still play for neutral victory are going against the spirit of the rules in the same way that a mafia member who tries to make the mafia lose in a normal game is.
It's not surprising that it was impossible for any of the factions to win in this case.
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Still waiting for Caller to give us the role list. In the mean time...
You are Xu Zhu, a whirlwind of blades! You are such a badass that you can just go up and kill anyone you want in the day time. One use only.
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You are Pang Tong, The Phoenix! You may use your magics to follow a player of your choice every night and see who they visit.
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