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ohN
United States1075 Posts
Not much we can do at this point beside speculate since nothing has actually happened yet. I'm voting for L since he sounds like he knows what hes talking about and I have like nothing else to make a choice off of. And I still don't really get why people are voting for Radfield. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Can't we all agree on eliminating Yellow Turban as our first priority and then we can have a more fair game with three faction leaders trying to accomplish their goals. As a neutral, I want to play a fair game. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I like how people have talked about gunning for YT yet no one seems to have any idea how to find one. Caller, when a faction leader chooses to let the recruit know he's been recruited, does the recruit know who the faction leader is or merely what faction he's been recruited to? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 19 2010 05:58 Hesmyrr wrote: ...:O I didn't even realize the PM advantage YT had. Also, Caller, seriously? I won't even know what I am? Everyone can PM, mirite? On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, guys. This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech. I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose... NEUTRAL REVOLUTION Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed: You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see? I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies. Let me stress that. OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING. This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!? There's no "town" win condition is there? @Caller? I mean, it would have to be after a certain number of deaths, since the "town" technically has a majority now. Or is it if all the factions are killed? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 19 2010 08:39 Scamp wrote: BC I really don't get your assessment of me being useless. Unless you're basing that on Flamewheel's last game or my really early games. Either way, kiss my ass. I like how people have talked about gunning for YT yet no one seems to have any idea how to find one. Caller, when a faction leader chooses to let the recruit know he's been recruited, does the recruit know who the faction leader is or merely what faction he's been recruited to? the latter | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 19 2010 08:52 johnnyspazz wrote: i think the game is over once there's only one faction left regardless of neutral members...right? Seems about right. Caller did not include a team victory for townee. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
I would appreciate it if you didn't just slay me right off since it will hopefully be my first real game of "mafia". I did play one before where I was a mafia member but we were all killed the 1st night since we were dumbasses. Caller, can you just post an example of what it would be like if you are recruited? | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 19 2010 08:54 LunarDestiny wrote: Seems about right. Caller did not include a team victory for townee. Who knows, maybe we are all evenly split between the 4 factions right now and we all don't know it except for the 4 leaders. Or maybe no one knows that we are split. Or maybe this is all speculation and there can be no town win. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On May 19 2010 08:55 Trezeguet23 wrote:I would appreciate it if you didn't just slay me right off since it will hopefully be my first real game of "mafia". I did play one before where I was a mafia member but we were all killed the 1st night since we were dumbasses. this game is not even remotely close to what mafia should be like lol also don't edit posts | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, guys. This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech. I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose... NEUTRAL REVOLUTION Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed: You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see? I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies. Let me stress that. OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING. This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!? As cool as this idea sounds, it wouldn't really work. It is too hard to work, as all the neutrals would have to be on the same page. Also, leaders can still "recruit" you whether you like it or not. Still, I like this idea. I would be way more motivated to play for myself, instead of leader(player) I don't like. For this to work, basically everyone has to role claim; Their character and powers. Then we organize our night and day KP, to trim down the leaders to two. We then kill them at the same time in order to prevent "a single party outnumbering the other" situation. Of course there are a lot more smaller details to sort out, but this is the main idea. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 19 2010 04:21 BrownBear wrote: I'm agreeing with the idea of Yellow Turban lynch. Only problem I see with the current logic: It's highly likely that Caller, being Caller (<3) has played favorites and given out roles to people who he thinks are better players/will be more active. Since it's more likely that the veterans will be faction leaders, wouldn't it also be more likely that the Yellow Turban leader is, in fact, someone who WOULD be more active? Even more so considering everyone's saying "YTL must be a lurker, KILL THE LURKERS"... Just a thought. I vote for your death. Caller doesn't pick favorites. He has said that many many a time. Faction leader brown bear trying to hidE?! | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Kinda curious though, based on our current scenario. If a leader recruits a DT or Assassin, he/she doesn't know what he/she recruited. The DT/Assassin also doesn't know he/she has been recruited. Now lets say the DT uses their abilities on player X. Player X comes out as Zhao Yun. Ok great, you've found Zhao Yun, but what does that means to you? What should you do? Tell your leader? You don't even know who that person is. Tell the general public? For what? He might even be on your faction already. Same thing can be applied to the assassin. What is the purpose of using your ability? Unless you just want to randomly kill people, there really isn't any "purpose" in general. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2010 09:32 Hesmyrr wrote: I PM'd Caller. Caller confirmed that "all remaining neutral players win lawl". It is going to be pretty difficult, but at least we got the technicality out of the way. I highly doubt all players would want to do this, and we still have other obstacles to go through, such as picking out the false role claimers (leaders), and sacrificing/balancing out the numbers of those that have been recruited. Oh, and we would also have to know WHO have been recruited. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On May 19 2010 09:48 Fishball wrote: Just a side note, I personally think it would be more interesting if the players would be forced to stick with their leaders who recruited them till the end. At least there is (false?)sense of loyalty there, as that would be the one and only faction you will be trying to help to win. Kinda curious though, based on our current scenario. If a leader recruits a DT or Assassin, he/she doesn't know what he/she recruited. The DT/Assassin also doesn't know he/she has been recruited. Now lets say the DT uses their abilities on player X. Player X comes out as Zhao Yun. Ok great, you've found Zhao Yun, but what does that means to you? What should you do? Tell your leader? You don't even know who that person is. Tell the general public? For what? He might even be on your faction already. Same thing can be applied to the assassin. What is the purpose of using your ability? Unless you just want to randomly kill people, there really isn't any "purpose" in general. This is one of the reasons why I am pushing for neutral victory, which Caller has confirmed is possible. I am not completely against the faction fight which this game is likely to become, but why should I give loyalty to someone who do not even trust me enough to entrust some information? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I've decided to play like....Well...a fun way. Let's find a person to nominate for death. Like I said, I'm all for brownbear...Just checking his posts makes me think he is a VILE vile human being that we should all kill. More seriously, he was still pro-caller picking favorites...I dunno if Caller does this regularly, but he usually claims he uses a RNG, which he has claimed already this game. So...I'd play up the favoritism card if I had a role that I felt was important, and I wasn't a super well known "favorite" of caller's. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On May 19 2010 09:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: I vote for your death. Caller doesn't pick favorites. He has said that many many a time. Faction leader brown bear trying to hidE?! Jumping on the first thing I say much? Wow, you are talent. HOW I PLAY MAFIA AS GOOD AS YOU LAWL Seriously, though, explain to me, exactly how my post tells you anything about who I am? I think you just want to throw someone who isn't you under a bus. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 19 2010 10:15 BrownBear wrote: Jumping on the first thing I say much? Wow, you are talent. HOW I PLAY MAFIA AS GOOD AS YOU LAWL Seriously, though, explain to me, exactly how my post tells you anything about who I am? I think you just want to throw someone who isn't you under a bus. I'd throw myself under the bus if I could...I just wanna kill someone...Lol | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 19 2010 10:15 BrownBear wrote: Jumping on the first thing I say much? Wow, you are talent. HOW I PLAY MAFIA AS GOOD AS YOU LAWL Seriously, though, explain to me, exactly how my post tells you anything about who I am? I think you just want to throw someone who isn't you under a bus. Haha, well it's pretty clear that no one wants to be the first to die. That is why I sarcastically said BM should suicide for the greater good, it sucks that someone has to die first, but that is just how the game is. | ||
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