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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 04:55 Bill Murray wrote: or i could make a gun that backfires when someone tries to shoot it, and give it to a townie I thought the person you give it to gets the same description you gave to Ace? In that case, the townie would never fire it and would just call you out. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 05:42 JeeJee wrote: this doesn't make sense if he claims the gun went to a mafia and thats why it hasn't been used, then he should call out said mafia and we lynch him, lol Okay so what if he claims it went to someone who died but actually gives it to a mafia member? Nobody can dispute that. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 05:39 citi.zen wrote: This is silly - ANYTHING can be used to kill someone - the key is in the description, not the name. Us giving Bill ideas does not help or stop him from changing the attributes we cannot observe. Am I the only one who does not get this or is this plainly obvious? Ace has said that the invention's use has to be related to its name. I would find it unlikely that he would allow an "alignment check kit" allow that player to kill others. There just is no connection. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 05:49 JeeJee wrote: ebwop: this is why i mean make the name as obvious as humanly possible. i.e. name it a DT_Alignment_Check_Kit etc. no ambiguity. On May 06 2010 05:52 Bill Murray wrote: well i was going to make it double-serve as an alignment checking kit and something that would blow foolishness up if he targeted me tonight  Then call it a DT_Alignment_Check_Kit_That_Blows_Up_If_The_User_Attacks_Bill_Murray Good? Your invention just needs a more transparent name. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 05:52 Bill Murray wrote: well i was going to make it double-serve as an alignment checking kit and something that would blow foolishness up if he targeted me tonight Wait, question: If you were planning on making your invention work like this, why were you calling for the medic to protect you? You have already provided a huge disincentive for targeting you. Shouldn't the medic try to block a hit on someone else? | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 06:35 Scamp wrote: Wow that would be so cool if we still had multiple medics in this game right now. Especially considering 40 percent of all deaths in this game are medic-related. Best case scenerio is we have one medic, someone is bulletproof, someone is a veteran, and they're all town. We could also have a jack with a medic protection available. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 06:24 DarthThienAn wrote: It makes sense for the medic to protect him - mafia still have a hit. But not multiple medics - the only reason why he would need more than one is if he's worried that, if Foolishness if mafia, they'll try to do a trade? Which doesn't sound unreasonable since the Inventor is such a powerful role. But I kinda feel like this would be a bad trade for us - considering the number of vanilla claims that have gone through, I feel like the town is short on roles, so having the Inventor is really important imo. And I want to leave it open to the medic's discretion and make the mafia at least consider hitting Bill Murray. Let me lay down the cases: 1. Bill Murray is mafia, Foolishness is any role - medic protection is a waste, we want Bill Murray dead 2. Bill Murray is SK, Foolishness is anly role - medic protection is a waste, Bill Murray won't die to anything thrown at him 3. Bill Murray is innocent a. Foolishness is mafia - it is unlikely the mafia will hit Bill because they don't want to lose another member + their CompVig. SK might take a shot at him if he likes his chances about the medic protection. Medic protection might be useful. b. Foolishness is SK - then Foolishness definitely won't take a shot. Mafia might. Medic protection might be useful. c. Foolishness is innocent - Mafia or SK might both take shots or just one of them. Medic might be useful. I'm just saying I'd like the medic to use their discretion. Bill Murray should definitely be on the short list of players the medic should be thinking about, but he shouldn't 100% be the pick. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 07:20 Bill Murray wrote: 1 medic takes 1 hit off me foolishness + mafia = 2 hits foolishness not hitting me because hes mafia and doesnt want to die + mafia hitting me = 1 hit therefore, OUR MEDIC SHOULD PROTECT ME IF HES TOWN ALIGNED. I believe I covered this scenario. If foolishness is mafia, it doesn't matter which hit is used on you, he would still die. On May 06 2010 07:23 Bill Murray wrote: qatol you saying the medic shouldnt protect the inventor is making you look more and more scummy Really? Is that what I said? I believe I said the medic should CONSIDER protecting someone other than you because it increases the chances of getting a protection. I believe I also said that you should be a high priority, but not an ironclad 100% protection target. I just want the mafia to think twice about hitting someone like maybe Foolishness (if innocent) or Radfield AS WELL AS you. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 07:25 johnnyspazz wrote: my bad, foolishness fits under the category of compvig and mafia member in this case. now i understand. also yes medics should definitely protect BM tonight because worst case scenario, they trade their compvig and mafia member for our inventor which is a good trade imo. if foolishness is town-aligned, then he will hit me and bm will still be able to give his invention to foolishness. hypothetical situation: what if mafia hits foolishness? then invention will be wasted again and the town will lose two more greens. Which is exactly the case I'm hoping to avoid by suggesting that the medic not be ordered to protect Bill Murray (just highly encouraged) | ||
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On May 06 2010 07:39 Radfield wrote: I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target. At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear. But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with: Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think) So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself. This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him. Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp. ##CompVig Johnnyspazz## I absolutely agree. I've been wondering about Scamp and citi.zen, but didn't want to go there until after we have resolved Johnnyspazz/JeeJee because, as OpZ told me earlier, I was "too all over the place". As far as his posting in other games goes, I can't definitively tell you either. The only other game I played with him was his first game, not counting speed or smurf if he was in them. He was mafia in the first game I hosted and played the clueless newbie extremely well early on, but because the mafia had a huge lead, they all got cocky and basically stopped talking (Scamp included). At the very least, Scamp would make an excellent target for a rolecheck/alignment check/tracker. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 07:46 citi.zen wrote: I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it. Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept. | ||
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 . It looks like rolechecks or guns that only kill mafia/SK are our best bet.Oh, because I haven't explicitly done this yet (but I'm definitely pushing for it) ##CompVig Johnnyspazz## | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 07:58 Bill Murray wrote: the cellphone was a pm device dude can you please stop saying that youre annoying me with that And this is the first time you have explicitly told us what it did. Besides, I've made this very clear: I don't trust you. Maybe that will change based on how you act in the future, but for right now, you have fought the town every step of the way. Give me a reason to trust you and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 08:07 Bill Murray wrote: i dont need to prove shit to you Actually, you do. You need to prove to everyone that you are innocent. That means being more transparent and forthcoming than you have been so far. On May 06 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote: Qatol this whole cell phone as detonator thing is striking me as wildly paranoid. Not that that can't be the case, but you constantly bringing it up is starting to get annoying. I was probably wrong about Radfield and Qatol, but I don't think my suspicions were so off-base. My quote on Rad was before the game even began, and Falcynn, BM, and Foolishness haven't exactly done much to rid themselves of suspicion IMO. And no, my vote for SS was not after majority had been reached. I think I was right in the middle, which is of course the most likely spot for a mafia bus. So that doesn't actually help my defense. I really don't think anything I've done has been so wrong. Oh I agree I'm probably being paranoid. However, notice that I only bring this up whenever someone talks about making a bomb. If people would stop doing that, I would stop bringing it up. I'm just trying to drive home the point that bombs are a bad idea while Bill Murray's alignment is a question mark. | ||
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On May 06 2010 08:10 citi.zen wrote: Not if the name says it, right? Anyway, it should flat out kill, regardless of vet/protection status, and only kill reds. Can we agree this is better than a kit? Sorry, I totally misinterpreted. A weapon that can kill SK or mafia is fine by me. I'm okay with Bill wanting to make it detonate if that player attacks him as well. But I don't see why it can't be a gun with bulletproof piercing rounds. I guess I'm just arguing semantics though. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 08:38 Bill Murray wrote: ill just invent an alignment checking kit that can only be used to check me so u will shut up You shouldn't have to. If you would just follow the town's instructions, we could use this check on someone more suspicious like Scamp instead of wasting it on you. Believe it or not, the game is not all about you. | ||
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Qatol
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On May 06 2010 08:43 Bill Murray wrote: i am much more suspicious of you than scamp, and i am not suspicious of you at all really. the only reason i'm suspicious of him at all is from his stance towards sidesprang. the only reason i am suspicious of you at all is because of your attitude. Then give us someone you are more suspicious of. Who do you want to see alignment checked? | ||
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On May 06 2010 12:08 citi.zen wrote: You entire stance on this issue is extremely shaky. First you don't want a gun. Then you are OK with it, but would simply make it bullet-piercing (even though that still allows a medic-protected red to live, presumably). Then you are "ok" with the gun detonating if the attacker hits Bill - yet the whole freaking point of the gun is that it CAN ONLY KILL REDS - so if Bill is town making the gun he should have no need for it to detonate, since IT CAN'T KILL BILL ANYWAY. This is very shaky reasoning about a very simple matter, totally out of character for you Qatol. The original gun we were talking about could kill innocents. I hadn't thought of a gun that cannot kill innocents until someone else had brought it up. I'm okay with a gun that can't kill townies. Bill still has to give the gun to someone else to use. While it can't shoot him, he is giving it to someone we basically know has KP (though he hasn't acknowledged it). Thus he wants it to be able to detonate if that player shoots him even through other means. This idea also protects him in the future if he happened to give a gun to the mafia because if the mafia hit him, the gun blows up one of their members. | ||
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On May 06 2010 11:48 johnnyspazz wrote: ionno i read this and thought jeejee and i were related somehow You two are somewhat related in that you might be in a group together. So if one of you is mafia, the other cannot be mafia. Really I only brought you up together because at the time neither of you had been contributing. I didn't even realize at the time that you two could be in a group together until I looked at when people claimed their numbers. | ||
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On May 06 2010 12:36 Qatol wrote: You two are somewhat related in that you might be in a group together. So if one of you is mafia, the other cannot be mafia. Really I only brought you up together because at the time neither of you had been contributing. I didn't even realize at the time that you two could be in a group together until I looked at when people claimed their numbers. Sorry, Foolishness and Bill Murray. I did it again. If one of them is mafia, it is extremely unlikely that the other one is mafia, but they could still be Serial Killer. | ||
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