EPTOn April 25 2010 04:45 KF91 wrote:
Big post. Here we go.
I went through this post looking for grammatical and code errors. If there are still some left, I apologize -.-
BrownBear
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d3_crescentia
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Scaramanga
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Bill Murray
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Fishball
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RaGe
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Scamp
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Ace
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meeple
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tl;dr Version:
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Big post. Here we go.
I went through this post looking for grammatical and code errors. If there are still some left, I apologize -.-
BrownBear
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General Points:
- Switched in for Zona
- Does not understand why the Caller bandwagon was started. (Believes that there was not enough evidence provided by Ace for there to be a bandwagon)
Now this was before we confirmed that Ace was a DT. At that points there were many doubts that Ace could be a DT because of his mass spamming.
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- His last couple of posts talk about how medics and vigis have to do their job to ensure that the town wins this game.
Thoughts:
Well I don't think there is much to talk about BrownBear. He's been switched into the game fairly late and most of his posts have been pro-town. He's been pushing RoL that he was scum for a little bit (Although he was wrong in the end, RoL was not town, so I guess he could be considered correct? O.o) He hasn't been that accusatory in his past few posts, but I guess that could be understood because Ace has been telling what people do for the past two game days.
I've been looking for the correlation between Zona's posts and BrownBear's posts to see if there are any similarities (Although they are different people, if his role was mafia, they could end up defending the same person/same group of people), but there has been none.
Final Conclusions:
From what I can see, I am confident in saying that BrownBear is probably a Townie.
- Switched in for Zona
- Does not understand why the Caller bandwagon was started. (Believes that there was not enough evidence provided by Ace for there to be a bandwagon)
Now this was before we confirmed that Ace was a DT. At that points there were many doubts that Ace could be a DT because of his mass spamming.
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On April 22 2010 03:43 BrownBear wrote:
Ok. Wow. Reading this was intense, and this is far far deeper and more elaborate than any Mafia game I've ever played before (although, like Korynne, I've never played on a forum before, so maybe that has something to do with it.) That said, here goes, with a little mini-analysis of what seems to be the biggest story of the last 20 pages or so: Ace vs Caller.
I find the Caller bandwagon to be slightly weird. It seems that people have jumped on the caller bandwagon largely due to this post by Ace:
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...although Caller really hasn't helped his cause much by being BM about it. However, the only real proof we have that Ace is his word, plus an (easily fakeable) pm from flamewheel. Of course, he still could easily be a detective, as he said, but then that begs the question: why did the Mafia not kill him on night 1, and go for Radfield instead? I have not seen any evidence that the Mafia knew somehow that Radfield was a detective - except, of course, for another post by Ace:
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...which doesnt exactly implicate Radfield as a detective, but... it's just very very strange to me.
It's not really enough for me to stick my neck out for Caller, as he's pretty obviously today's pincushion, and honestly, people have been lynched in Mafia games for less that this. However, it does make me suspicious, so here's my recommendation:
Lynch Caller today, and see what his role was. If he does turn out to be scum, then I hereby retract all the nasty horrible things I said about Ace in this post, with my most humble apologies. However, if he's innocent... I for one will be targeting the guy who seems most responsible for his death.
Now to prepare to have my argument cut to shreds
Ok. Wow. Reading this was intense, and this is far far deeper and more elaborate than any Mafia game I've ever played before (although, like Korynne, I've never played on a forum before, so maybe that has something to do with it.) That said, here goes, with a little mini-analysis of what seems to be the biggest story of the last 20 pages or so: Ace vs Caller.
I find the Caller bandwagon to be slightly weird. It seems that people have jumped on the caller bandwagon largely due to this post by Ace:
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On April 21 2010 12:37 Ace wrote:
STOP THE GAME!
Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia
Lets get this shit.
STOP THE GAME!
Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia
Lets get this shit.
...although Caller really hasn't helped his cause much by being BM about it. However, the only real proof we have that Ace is his word, plus an (easily fakeable) pm from flamewheel. Of course, he still could easily be a detective, as he said, but then that begs the question: why did the Mafia not kill him on night 1, and go for Radfield instead? I have not seen any evidence that the Mafia knew somehow that Radfield was a detective - except, of course, for another post by Ace:
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On April 20 2010 06:42 Ace wrote:
wait my bad. This guy is. Don't let him die - only hope for the town to win.
wait my bad. This guy is. Don't let him die - only hope for the town to win.
...which doesnt exactly implicate Radfield as a detective, but... it's just very very strange to me.
It's not really enough for me to stick my neck out for Caller, as he's pretty obviously today's pincushion, and honestly, people have been lynched in Mafia games for less that this. However, it does make me suspicious, so here's my recommendation:
Lynch Caller today, and see what his role was. If he does turn out to be scum, then I hereby retract all the nasty horrible things I said about Ace in this post, with my most humble apologies. However, if he's innocent... I for one will be targeting the guy who seems most responsible for his death.
Now to prepare to have my argument cut to shreds
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On April 23 2010 03:31 BrownBear wrote:
Eh, so it goes. I'm not really going to try to pretend I knew what was going on in his head.
So, having looked at the required reading, here goes in terms of analysis:
BloodyC0bbler:
Started the game offering a lot of advice to new players, and specifically telling medics NOT to protect him, Ace, or Caller. With Caller out, that leaves him and Ace that the medics are NOT supposed to protect. That, to me, is kinda suspect. If you analyze it on the surface, it's a totally selfless move that makes him look townie, but honestly, why even bother making that move? He could have just as easily said nothing about whether the medic protects him or not, and it wouldn't have been suspicious at all. Plus, now, with it having been pretty much established that Ace is DT, having medics not protect him is just silly. On the other side, to be fair, BC probaby had no clue Ace was a DT when he made that post, so it's not entirely damning evidence, it's just minorly suspect.
Gives some more early game advice, drops into some oneliners, then starts a bandwagon on RoL, then jumps off immediately once it gets rolling. What? He claims its under the pretense that he's starting wagons on inactive players. As this is my first time playing, I don't know if this is actually a legitimate strategy, but, hey, y'know, whatever. He then follows up with some decent analysis of random people's posts, which all seem to end in confirming them red. Kind of odd that he yells at meeple for doing nothing but confirming people red, while at the same time pointing the FoS at many people himself - the only difference is he mixes it up by also adding advice to newbies/random oneline comments. So... I feel something's off here.
I am pretty sure he's not Townie, based off the fact that he seems to have a clear agenda here, and he's picking people who I don't think are mafia, and accusing them to be red. But at the same time, he's also (so far) working by himself, and doesn't seem to be anti-town so much as he is anti-specific people. Thus, I'm going to call Assassin.
RebirthOfLegenD
Not nearly as active as BC, but that could mean anything, he claims he's been very busy. Most of his posts are 1-3 liners, with the exception of some longer defense posts. What I don't like is that ok, he has accused BC of mafia, but he presents NO evidence besides "rolecheck confirmed LOL". I fail to see anywhere where he claims to be a DT, or have any rolechecks whatsoever, so if someone could point me to that that would be greatly appreciated. Beyond that, he doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously, his posts have little to no analysis, and he appears to have given up on the town. All this points to SCUM
Bill Murray
I will analyze Bill Murray in a little bit, as I have class now and there's a lot of reading to go through.
Eh, so it goes. I'm not really going to try to pretend I knew what was going on in his head.
So, having looked at the required reading, here goes in terms of analysis:
BloodyC0bbler:
Started the game offering a lot of advice to new players, and specifically telling medics NOT to protect him, Ace, or Caller. With Caller out, that leaves him and Ace that the medics are NOT supposed to protect. That, to me, is kinda suspect. If you analyze it on the surface, it's a totally selfless move that makes him look townie, but honestly, why even bother making that move? He could have just as easily said nothing about whether the medic protects him or not, and it wouldn't have been suspicious at all. Plus, now, with it having been pretty much established that Ace is DT, having medics not protect him is just silly. On the other side, to be fair, BC probaby had no clue Ace was a DT when he made that post, so it's not entirely damning evidence, it's just minorly suspect.
Gives some more early game advice, drops into some oneliners, then starts a bandwagon on RoL, then jumps off immediately once it gets rolling. What? He claims its under the pretense that he's starting wagons on inactive players. As this is my first time playing, I don't know if this is actually a legitimate strategy, but, hey, y'know, whatever. He then follows up with some decent analysis of random people's posts, which all seem to end in confirming them red. Kind of odd that he yells at meeple for doing nothing but confirming people red, while at the same time pointing the FoS at many people himself - the only difference is he mixes it up by also adding advice to newbies/random oneline comments. So... I feel something's off here.
I am pretty sure he's not Townie, based off the fact that he seems to have a clear agenda here, and he's picking people who I don't think are mafia, and accusing them to be red. But at the same time, he's also (so far) working by himself, and doesn't seem to be anti-town so much as he is anti-specific people. Thus, I'm going to call Assassin.
RebirthOfLegenD
Not nearly as active as BC, but that could mean anything, he claims he's been very busy. Most of his posts are 1-3 liners, with the exception of some longer defense posts. What I don't like is that ok, he has accused BC of mafia, but he presents NO evidence besides "rolecheck confirmed LOL". I fail to see anywhere where he claims to be a DT, or have any rolechecks whatsoever, so if someone could point me to that that would be greatly appreciated. Beyond that, he doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously, his posts have little to no analysis, and he appears to have given up on the town. All this points to SCUM
Bill Murray
I will analyze Bill Murray in a little bit, as I have class now and there's a lot of reading to go through.
- His last couple of posts talk about how medics and vigis have to do their job to ensure that the town wins this game.
Thoughts:
Well I don't think there is much to talk about BrownBear. He's been switched into the game fairly late and most of his posts have been pro-town. He's been pushing RoL that he was scum for a little bit (Although he was wrong in the end, RoL was not town, so I guess he could be considered correct? O.o) He hasn't been that accusatory in his past few posts, but I guess that could be understood because Ace has been telling what people do for the past two game days.
I've been looking for the correlation between Zona's posts and BrownBear's posts to see if there are any similarities (Although they are different people, if his role was mafia, they could end up defending the same person/same group of people), but there has been none.
Final Conclusions:
From what I can see, I am confident in saying that BrownBear is probably a Townie.
d3_crescentia
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General Points:
- Talked quite a lot of assassins.
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- Provides an okay analysis of me.
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Thoughts:
From what I can see, crescentia is a player analyzer in this game, he posted a lot of people's behaviour throughout this game. He posts about voting behaviours, mafia killing behaviours and how dead people posted before they were killed. He doesn't really accuse anyone of being mafia, but rather just casting suspicion on them. His posts seem mostly pro-town, but he hasn't (In my opinion), given much ideas toward the town (Due to the due fact that he hasn't given a serious FoS towards anyone).
It seems that he could be a quiet-ish mafia providing some information from time to time to mask his identity, but I don't think I can nail that on him, just because of the type of information is giving to us. Although he hasn't provided analysis for us in his last few posts... He claims that he will be doing some "rigorous analysis" during this weekend.
Final Conlusions:
I would really like to label him as mafia. I just have a feeling that he could be trying to pretending to be a helpful townie. But, along with the all the analysis he is providing and the fairly pro-town vibe I'm getting from his posts, I would say that he is a Townie.
- Talked quite a lot of assassins.
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On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote:
Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board.
Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them?
1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist
I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now.
2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple
Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game?
3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak
I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.
4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser
As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up.
Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far.
Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board.
Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them?
1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist
I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now.
2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple
Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game?
3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak
I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.
4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser
As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up.
Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far.
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On April 21 2010 12:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
Alright, so we're lynching meeple because he's an indecisive flip-flopper speaking in ambiguous language? Considering Jugan was just modkilled and flipped green, I don't think we should take his 'team player' comment to seriously. I like Incognito's idea about forced post analysis, though I'm still digesting the results of Night 1. Seriously, 3 blues dead and no one bats an eye? Granted we (or rather, Foolishness) got TheLardyGooser, but I'm still feeling things are a bit more stressed than I'd like going into Day 2.
Summary of arguments from dead people, taken from the archives. I'm fairly sure that the archive needs to be updated, so it could be updated with any other posts in the thread, but I'd rather sleep first.
CynanMachae
- suspects TheLardyGooser
- pro-inactive lynching
- agrees with Incognito on Osmoses
- dislikes RoL bandwagon
Radfield
- contributes to double-lynch discussion (use double lynch early?)
- advocates inactive Day 1 lynch
- anti-BM plan, suspicious of him
- takes notes of particular bandwagoners (darththienan, meeple, infundibulum, scamp, jadefist)
- speaks in defense of RaGe
- FoS on AcrossFiveJulys
Foolishness
- is fairly critical of meeple re: lynches (though this was a misunderstanding?)
- FoS on TheLardyGooser (and eventually killed him)
- misunderstanding between him/Incognito about spam posting
- FoS on RaGe for previous discussion
[nyc]hobbes
- against double-lynch on Day 3
- argument with Jugan
- for lynching inactives on Day 1
Any common threads here? Both Foolishness and CynanMachae spoke out against TheLardyGooser; Foolishness and Radfield both took note of meeple - albeit for different reasons, and one of those reasons potentially being faulty. More importantly though, I think Radfield had the right idea with looking at the vote list for bandwagoners. We're discussing meeple right now, whom I feel we have a good case for; I'd also like to look at Darth, Scamp and Inf, all of whom I'll leave for the morning unless some kind soul decides to do it for me. As for JadeFist... well, no matter what color he flips his action was just really, really DUMB and he should be probably be killed for it.
Alright, so we're lynching meeple because he's an indecisive flip-flopper speaking in ambiguous language? Considering Jugan was just modkilled and flipped green, I don't think we should take his 'team player' comment to seriously. I like Incognito's idea about forced post analysis, though I'm still digesting the results of Night 1. Seriously, 3 blues dead and no one bats an eye? Granted we (or rather, Foolishness) got TheLardyGooser, but I'm still feeling things are a bit more stressed than I'd like going into Day 2.
Summary of arguments from dead people, taken from the archives. I'm fairly sure that the archive needs to be updated, so it could be updated with any other posts in the thread, but I'd rather sleep first.
CynanMachae
- suspects TheLardyGooser
- pro-inactive lynching
- agrees with Incognito on Osmoses
- dislikes RoL bandwagon
Radfield
- contributes to double-lynch discussion (use double lynch early?)
- advocates inactive Day 1 lynch
- anti-BM plan, suspicious of him
- takes notes of particular bandwagoners (darththienan, meeple, infundibulum, scamp, jadefist)
- speaks in defense of RaGe
- FoS on AcrossFiveJulys
Foolishness
- is fairly critical of meeple re: lynches (though this was a misunderstanding?)
- FoS on TheLardyGooser (and eventually killed him)
- misunderstanding between him/Incognito about spam posting
- FoS on RaGe for previous discussion
[nyc]hobbes
- against double-lynch on Day 3
- argument with Jugan
- for lynching inactives on Day 1
Any common threads here? Both Foolishness and CynanMachae spoke out against TheLardyGooser; Foolishness and Radfield both took note of meeple - albeit for different reasons, and one of those reasons potentially being faulty. More importantly though, I think Radfield had the right idea with looking at the vote list for bandwagoners. We're discussing meeple right now, whom I feel we have a good case for; I'd also like to look at Darth, Scamp and Inf, all of whom I'll leave for the morning unless some kind soul decides to do it for me. As for JadeFist... well, no matter what color he flips his action was just really, really DUMB and he should be probably be killed for it.
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On April 21 2010 21:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Good morning; sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've got less than 10 minutes before I need to leave and I probably won't be posting until the evening again. Most of my post will be some quick thoughts on KF91/Scamp/Inf/Darth, as I said I was going to do last night. As for the current situation before us, given Ace's Detective claim last night and his recent claim that Caller checked red this one is actually a fairly simple decision, unless Ace is bullshitting us all.
Analysis of KF91:
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Summary of arguments:
- Agrees with early double-lynch; actually gives some solid reasoning as why to do so
- Against BM's plan
- Picks out Jugan and Osmoses for later analysis
- Thinks Caller is mafia due to his erratic behavior
- Analysis made on infundibulum as possible mafia
Comments: Everything he's said so far seems to be logical. Follows Incognito's lead in agreeing with Osmoses and doing next-person analysis (but then again, so am I). I agree with his analysis on Inf, and so we should keep an eye on him. Fairly pro-town player IMO.
Brief thoughts on Scamp, Inf, Darth:
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Good morning; sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've got less than 10 minutes before I need to leave and I probably won't be posting until the evening again. Most of my post will be some quick thoughts on KF91/Scamp/Inf/Darth, as I said I was going to do last night. As for the current situation before us, given Ace's Detective claim last night and his recent claim that Caller checked red this one is actually a fairly simple decision, unless Ace is bullshitting us all.
Analysis of KF91:
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Summary of arguments:
- Agrees with early double-lynch; actually gives some solid reasoning as why to do so
- Against BM's plan
- Picks out Jugan and Osmoses for later analysis
- Thinks Caller is mafia due to his erratic behavior
- Analysis made on infundibulum as possible mafia
Comments: Everything he's said so far seems to be logical. Follows Incognito's lead in agreeing with Osmoses and doing next-person analysis (but then again, so am I). I agree with his analysis on Inf, and so we should keep an eye on him. Fairly pro-town player IMO.
Brief thoughts on Scamp, Inf, Darth:
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- Scamp - posted quite a bit in the early game, dropped off the face of the planet later. Picked out TheLardyGooser early but hasn't said much since. Keep an eye out for him.
- Inf - See comments above. Also, Inf has posted since then, and I think he's in the clear for now.
- Darth - Bandwagoning early on, but makes some okay posts. I'd say he's actually green and just making common newb mistakes, except my perception of him is colored since I happen to know him. Don't think there's much to worry from him though.
Of these three, I'd say we should be most careful of Inf, then Scamp, then Darth. There's nothing much to suggest that any of them are scum.
- Inf - See comments above. Also, Inf has posted since then, and I think he's in the clear for now.
- Darth - Bandwagoning early on, but makes some okay posts. I'd say he's actually green and just making common newb mistakes, except my perception of him is colored since I happen to know him. Don't think there's much to worry from him though.
Of these three, I'd say we should be most careful of Inf, then Scamp, then Darth. There's nothing much to suggest that any of them are scum.
Thoughts:
From what I can see, crescentia is a player analyzer in this game, he posted a lot of people's behaviour throughout this game. He posts about voting behaviours, mafia killing behaviours and how dead people posted before they were killed. He doesn't really accuse anyone of being mafia, but rather just casting suspicion on them. His posts seem mostly pro-town, but he hasn't (In my opinion), given much ideas toward the town (Due to the due fact that he hasn't given a serious FoS towards anyone).
It seems that he could be a quiet-ish mafia providing some information from time to time to mask his identity, but I don't think I can nail that on him, just because of the type of information is giving to us. Although he hasn't provided analysis for us in his last few posts... He claims that he will be doing some "rigorous analysis" during this weekend.
Final Conlusions:
I would really like to label him as mafia. I just have a feeling that he could be trying to pretending to be a helpful townie. But, along with the all the analysis he is providing and the fairly pro-town vibe I'm getting from his posts, I would say that he is a Townie.
Scaramanga
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General Points:
- Really spammy. (I'm not even going to bother putting quote evidence here.)
- Says that he doesn't contribute much because he doesn't know what to do. He also claims that he's just bad player, so he doesn't want the train of thought of the players derailed because of his posts.
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- Last three posts also have been spammy.
Thoughts:
Not an active player; and not a good player at that. These two elements make him a player who we don't really care about. This could mean that he would get the FoS the least during the later days since the town is mostly focusing on players who posted a lot so we could try to find discrepancies within their posts. He has not given one bit of helpful advice for the town, and it seems like he doesn't want to start trying.
Final Conclusions:
Just because he's bad at the game does not mean he should not try to get better. He seems to just stay on the down low and post at random times with no accusations or thoughts. I'm thinking he could be a quiet Mafia, therefore we should think of lynching him.
- Really spammy. (I'm not even going to bother putting quote evidence here.)
- Says that he doesn't contribute much because he doesn't know what to do. He also claims that he's just bad player, so he doesn't want the train of thought of the players derailed because of his posts.
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On April 21 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote:
There you go, thats all i was asking for, not just analysis but some suggestions aswell. See i have no idea who to vote to lynch, i might vote for Ace if caller turns out green but im not sure whats best for us in this situation hence why im calling for suggestions not just "oh check this out he might be scummy" like whats been happening.
Yeah i havent really contributed that much because i dont really know what to do. I can't do awesome analysis of clues (not relevent to this game but going off prior games) or behaviour and pin reds like many others can do. The way i see my self contributing to the thread is giving my two cents where nessessary which mostly is about keeping the town clear and heading in the right direction. I felt that the posts from jugan were majorly cluttering the thread and detracting efforts from finding actual reds, note i clarified and explained that its not the posting overall that i said "sucks" it was jugans and jugans posts only that "suck". And im trying to contribute now, as you can see in the pages leading up to this people are doing good analysis but none of those who are doing analysis are calling for lynches and very limited ammount of town are giving their thoughts on this, thats why im calling for most of the town to come out so we can head in the right direction that most of us agree with, i want to make sure that one of our most important assets, the double lynch is used properly.
The reason that im not analysing or giving my thoughs on analysis is because im very very very bad, ask BC, ver, qatol hell 99% of people that have played mafia with me would say im one of the worst. I feel that any of my "analysis" if you want to call it that would just detract attention from good people like BC, Ace, caller, incog, ROL etc, hence me not posting analysis or my thoughts on it, ive been doing this after my first game of mafia.
And in regards to my votes I thought it was pretty obvious when i voted that i wasnt done reading the thread, i voted for caller because where i was up to in the thead he hadn't posted once. After a few pages i wanted to change my vote, changed it to abstain but i didnt read the rules, so i changed it to a good friend of mine BC (for the lols
) as a filler till i was done reading the thread and could make a proper decision to who should be lynched, and i felt like that should have been jugan
I voted caller because reading through the thread when someone claiming to be a DT calls out someone as being scum, you're going to catch at least one mafia. If Ace is a DT then we get caller as mafia, if not we know that Ace is mafia getting rid of caller. Thats why i said in the votes thread, what motbob said which refered to "Caller and then Ace if Caller flips green"
So theres my train of thought in asking everyone for their reasoning, thoughts, analysis. Mine isnt going to do the town any good and at the moment with the main players clashing heads without sugesting something town can't move forward as well as we can
There you go, thats all i was asking for, not just analysis but some suggestions aswell. See i have no idea who to vote to lynch, i might vote for Ace if caller turns out green but im not sure whats best for us in this situation hence why im calling for suggestions not just "oh check this out he might be scummy" like whats been happening.
Yeah i havent really contributed that much because i dont really know what to do
. I can't do awesome analysis of clues (not relevent to this game but going off prior games) or behaviour and pin reds like many others can do. The way i see my self contributing to the thread is giving my two cents where nessessary which mostly is about keeping the town clear and heading in the right direction. I felt that the posts from jugan were majorly cluttering the thread and detracting efforts from finding actual reds, note i clarified and explained that its not the posting overall that i said "sucks" it was jugans and jugans posts only that "suck". And im trying to contribute now, as you can see in the pages leading up to this people are doing good analysis but none of those who are doing analysis are calling for lynches and very limited ammount of town are giving their thoughts on this, thats why im calling for most of the town to come out so we can head in the right direction that most of us agree with, i want to make sure that one of our most important assets, the double lynch is used properly.The reason that im not analysing or giving my thoughs on analysis is because im very very very bad, ask BC, ver, qatol hell 99% of people that have played mafia with me would say im one of the worst. I feel that any of my "analysis" if you want to call it that
would just detract attention from good people like BC, Ace, caller, incog, ROL etc, hence me not posting analysis or my thoughts on it, ive been doing this after my first game of mafia.And in regards to my votes I thought it was pretty obvious when i voted that i wasnt done reading the thread, i voted for caller because where i was up to in the thead he hadn't posted once. After a few pages i wanted to change my vote, changed it to abstain but i didnt read the rules, so i changed it to a good friend of mine BC (for the lols
) as a filler till i was done reading the thread and could make a proper decision to who should be lynched, and i felt like that should have been juganI voted caller because reading through the thread when someone claiming to be a DT calls out someone as being scum, you're going to catch at least one mafia. If Ace is a DT then we get caller as mafia, if not we know that Ace is mafia getting rid of caller. Thats why i said in the votes thread, what motbob said which refered to "Caller and then Ace if Caller flips green"
So theres my train of thought in asking everyone for their reasoning, thoughts, analysis. Mine isnt going to do the town any good and at the moment with the main players clashing heads without sugesting something town can't move forward as well as we can
- Last three posts also have been spammy.
Thoughts:
Not an active player; and not a good player at that. These two elements make him a player who we don't really care about. This could mean that he would get the FoS the least during the later days since the town is mostly focusing on players who posted a lot so we could try to find discrepancies within their posts. He has not given one bit of helpful advice for the town, and it seems like he doesn't want to start trying.
Final Conclusions:
Just because he's bad at the game does not mean he should not try to get better. He seems to just stay on the down low and post at random times with no accusations or thoughts. I'm thinking he could be a quiet Mafia, therefore we should think of lynching him.
Bill Murray
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General Points:
- Posts consist mostly on one-liners.
- Tries to start a bunch of bandwagons, but does not work
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Thoughts:
As usual, BM is still random and does not like to throw out plans that much. He hasn't been that active for the past two days, and hasn't given much substance in his posts. I've only played one other mafia game with him before, but it seems like that he is less accusatory than before. I'm not sure if he's just laying low, or if he is actually busy in real life, but it is something to take note of. He didn't make much arguments, so it's not clear to me if he's taking anyone's side.
Final Conclusions:
It looks like he's just acting normal (Been a little inactive for the past two days, but I guess we can excuse that?). No one he blamed has been confirmed scum yet, so we don't know if his predictions are correct. I'm pretty sure that he is a Townie once again.
- Posts consist mostly on one-liners.
- Tries to start a bunch of bandwagons, but does not work
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On April 20 2010 06:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91.
Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you.
I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91.
Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you.
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On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91
This post feels pretty squirmy to me
Also, Meeple, when you said ""
How on earth do you KNOW that?
Let's lynch Meeple.
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91
This post feels pretty squirmy to me
Also, Meeple, when you said ""
How on earth do you KNOW that?
Let's lynch Meeple.
Thoughts:
As usual, BM is still random and does not like to throw out plans that much. He hasn't been that active for the past two days, and hasn't given much substance in his posts. I've only played one other mafia game with him before, but it seems like that he is less accusatory than before. I'm not sure if he's just laying low, or if he is actually busy in real life, but it is something to take note of. He didn't make much arguments, so it's not clear to me if he's taking anyone's side.
Final Conclusions:
It looks like he's just acting normal (Been a little inactive for the past two days, but I guess we can excuse that?). No one he blamed has been confirmed scum yet, so we don't know if his predictions are correct. I'm pretty sure that he is a Townie once again.
Fishball
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General Points:
- Most posts are spammy and one-liners
- Nothing of real substance.
- Asks for an analysis of himself.
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- A little squirmy.
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Thoughts:
Umm... Another useless player. He has not given anything to the town to work with, and there is little to no substance within in posts (Mostly none). When Incognito does an analysis of him, he does get a little squirmy and responds quickly rather than full explanations of his actions.
Final Conclusions:
Another player who doesn't like to think while they are playing.I'm leaning towards the side that says he's just a Townie rather than an inactive mafia. But really, I don't think it really matters if he ends up getting lynched (If we ignore the fact that the town comes closer to losing if he flips green >_> )
Actually, now that I think about it, I think we could see a high chance of Fishball being mafia. He's really spammy throughout the game and then when someone accuses him, he gets a bit squirmy.
- Most posts are spammy and one-liners
- Nothing of real substance.
- Asks for an analysis of himself.
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On April 23 2010 03:42 Fishball wrote:
I'm bored.
Someone analyze me.
I'm bored.
Someone analyze me.
- A little squirmy.
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On April 24 2010 18:16 Fishball wrote:
No analysis. I'm just mainly tagging along for the joy ride. There is no "fake" activity.
Zbot is awesome, because it is? Can it not just be a simple compliment?
Motbob is the only person I'm pointing fingers at if you wanted something from me.
No analysis. I'm just mainly tagging along for the joy ride. There is no "fake" activity.
Zbot is awesome, because it is? Can it not just be a simple compliment?
Motbob is the only person I'm pointing fingers at if you wanted something from me.
Thoughts:
Umm... Another useless player. He has not given anything to the town to work with, and there is little to no substance within in posts (Mostly none). When Incognito does an analysis of him, he does get a little squirmy and responds quickly rather than full explanations of his actions.
Final Conclusions:
Another player who doesn't like to think while they are playing.
Actually, now that I think about it, I think we could see a high chance of Fishball being mafia. He's really spammy throughout the game and then when someone accuses him, he gets a bit squirmy.
RaGe
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General Points:
- Initiator of the inactive lynch on Day 1.
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- Does a great analysis on what Infun said before he was lynched (Not gunna bother posting that here; it's too long and it wasn't too long before this post.)
Thoughts:
His posts seem very pro-town to me. He's providing excellent information for the town he was the only person that was able to get the ball rolling on Day 1. He was also the one promoting activity towards everyone in the town (Saying that we should red BC's, RoL's and BM's posts). Although he has not been too active, I think that his posts are very beneficial towards the town.
Final Conclusions:
From what I can see from RaGe, I'm leaning more towards the Townie side with him. He is able to post with clear thoughts and he is one of the few people who were able to stir the town into action.
- Initiator of the inactive lynch on Day 1.
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On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.
- Does a great analysis on what Infun said before he was lynched (Not gunna bother posting that here; it's too long and it wasn't too long before this post.)
Thoughts:
His posts seem very pro-town to me. He's providing excellent information for the town he was the only person that was able to get the ball rolling on Day 1. He was also the one promoting activity towards everyone in the town (Saying that we should red BC's, RoL's and BM's posts). Although he has not been too active, I think that his posts are very beneficial towards the town.
Final Conclusions:
From what I can see from RaGe, I'm leaning more towards the Townie side with him. He is able to post with clear thoughts and he is one of the few people who were able to stir the town into action.
Scamp
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General Points:
- Not that much activity
- Follows along with Incognito's analysis plan. (Analyzes Abenson)
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-Asks (twice) why BM dropped his plan from Day 1.
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Thoughts:
Doesn't offer much to the town. No plans or analysis for us to look at. Normally, I would just leave someone like this as a useless townie, but the one thing that caught my attention is that he kept asking why BM did not implement his plan. Personally, I think BM posted his plan just to get the conversation going, but the fact that Scamp keeps asking about this tells us one of two things:
1) He has nothing to talk about so he just keeps bringing up the most random thing from the past, or
2) He is mafia and he was in approval with the chaos that BM's plan could have caused.
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Even after saying this, he himself has not followed with his statement and decided to stay under the radar.
Final Conclusions:
From his posting style and what has been saying in them, I am going to say that he is a Mafia.
- Not that much activity
- Follows along with Incognito's analysis plan. (Analyzes Abenson)
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On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote:
Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him.
It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it.
So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far.
Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing?
I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it.
And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again.
Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him.
It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it.
So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far.
Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing?
I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it.
And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again.
-Asks (twice) why BM dropped his plan from Day 1.
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On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote:
I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it.
I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it.
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On April 22 2010 05:52 Scamp wrote:
Also Bill Murray, why have you abandoned your plan from day 1 that I never quite understood?
Also Bill Murray, why have you abandoned your plan from day 1 that I never quite understood?
Thoughts:
Doesn't offer much to the town. No plans or analysis for us to look at. Normally, I would just leave someone like this as a useless townie, but the one thing that caught my attention is that he kept asking why BM did not implement his plan. Personally, I think BM posted his plan just to get the conversation going, but the fact that Scamp keeps asking about this tells us one of two things:
1) He has nothing to talk about so he just keeps bringing up the most random thing from the past, or
2) He is mafia and he was in approval with the chaos that BM's plan could have caused.
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On April 18 2010 01:49 Scamp wrote:
Basic plan: Kill the guy who asks too many questions.
But really, now we're just going to get a bunch of differing opinions from either helpful townies or mafia who want to look like they're contributing and no good information will be learned.
Anyway, from my experience in mafia inactivity is usually a great way to get lynched, because not only are you a detriment to the town but you're also a ruiner of the game in general. Other than that, people actually tend to rely on meta-gamey stuff such as if your name is L, you find a way to kill Ace.
Basic plan: Kill the guy who asks too many questions.
But really, now we're just going to get a bunch of differing opinions from either helpful townies or mafia who want to look like they're contributing and no good information will be learned.
Anyway, from my experience in mafia inactivity is usually a great way to get lynched, because not only are you a detriment to the town but you're also a ruiner of the game in general. Other than that, people actually tend to rely on meta-gamey stuff such as if your name is L, you find a way to kill Ace.
Even after saying this, he himself has not followed with his statement and decided to stay under the radar.
Final Conclusions:
From his posting style and what has been saying in them, I am going to say that he is a Mafia.
Ace
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Pretty much confirmed DT. I don't want to waste time trying to analyse him. If someone REALLY wants me to do it, I guess I could. But for now, I'm just going to say that he's a Detective.
meeple
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Holy shit. This is going to take a while.
General Points:
Too tired to continue this right now. I'll start the latter half of the players starting with meeple later.
Too tired to continue this right now. I'll start the latter half of the players starting with meeple later.
tl;dr Version:
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I'm thinking Scaramanga, Fishball and Scamp are Mafia.
and when i say "actually do something" i mean like this
i know kf91 could be mafia trying to make himself look constructive, but this is very pro-town
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