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Oh, Citizen's post is the real deal. I guess I've been spoiled with pictures and such. Time to do a re-read.
Also Bill Murray, I'm glad you mentioned that you aren't asking for people to role-claim to you, since you can't PM in this game.
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-___-. Jugan, why couldn't you have been bm as mafia?
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On April 21 2010 11:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
-___-. Jugan, why couldn't you have been bm as mafia?
because the mafia members are already bm! honestly, i was the miller, but out of spite flamewheel switched me to a townie. sorry 
he thought i was ragging on him after he told me to pm him? lol
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On April 21 2010 10:13 Caller wrote:
obvious blue snipers are obvious
who's capable of blue sniping?
Zona
Ace
BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it)
me
Incognito
This is just a "These people are widely respected so they must be good at blue sniping" statement.
Zona - I've never seen him be red, so I don't know if he's good at blue sniping. Is awful quiet though...
Ace...don't remember, but from what I can recall he sticks more to the logic/bashing ppl in the thread side rather than the blue sniping side.
BC - the only game I remember him as mafia in was the Smurf game, in which I guess he did a good job at sniping key players (qatol and L). Of the 3 kills, one was a DT but the other two were green. 2 of them were good players though, and in a game where good players are hidden like blue roles, I guess that can be considered solid "blue" sniping skill. The tells for blues and high profile players trying to hide would be similar, yes?
Caller - Mafia XVIII. Actually you guys hit a fair amount of blues (and reds). Don't know how much of that was your doing and how much of it was Foolishness(?) but it fits. Other games with you as mafia...Mafia VIII. Of your six kills, 5 were blue. Nice. But 2 of them were BGs, so that was probably luck. 3/6 is not too shabby. But how much of that was Showtime! or MBH's doing? Either way both of your plays as mafia resulted in a fair number of blue/red hits. That's pretty good.
Incognito - I was mafia once, in your (Caller's) first game. Ver basically dictated the hit list (along with input from Showtime!?) so no, I have no experience with blue sniping.
Yeah it is pretty alarming that three blues died. But looking at who the players are and what they posted kinda makes it fit. As I recall, CynanMachae posted a large post accusing TheLardyGooser, so it's understandable why the mafia would want to silence him. Foolishness: given his relatively high-profile status and the fact that he is less likely to be medic protted than others, for example, Ace/BC/me, I guess its not unreasonable that the mafia would hit him. Foolishness also attacks TheLardyGooser quite strongly. Radfield was posting pretty logically and actively, and didn't just post one-liners. Although didn't seem to be actively pursuing an agenda. Meh, I don't know about this one. Best fits would probably be blue sniping or just the mafia wanting to get rid of a relatively active poster. [NyC]HoBbes is the only one I'm clueless about. Looking back through his posts I still don't see any obvious reason why they would've wanted him dead. I can only see blue sniping as a decent fit for this kill. Or just randomness. But the other kills don't seem random though. However, given the general fact that blues try to keep quiet, maybe they just made a wild guess and chose hobbes? Although there are plenty of other quiet useless posters out there...
Out of this list, BC would be the one to look at if anyone at all. Given his suspicious (well, non-existent, really) behavior, it seems like he fits best. But for the moment we should probably focus on other issues at hand. But BC better start posting or else the lynch hammer is going to have to come down.
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Hi guys! Just reading through the thread right now, will post noob analysis in a bit (first game >.<).
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Stop making false statements, Jugan. I already told you to leave this thread. I'm seriously tired of this.
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Alright, I'm going to go along with Incognito and do my part:
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Important post summaries:
- Urges people to vote to prevent a no lynch
On April 18 2010 04:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I want to remind you guys that this game is running the "majority lynch" rule. This means that if no majority is reached, there won't be a lynch.
No lynch is bad for the town. It's like giving a time walk to the mafia (mtg reference nerd lol). This also means abstaining is bad! So please pay attention during votes as they operate a bit differently in this game than most TL mafias.
- Talks about the timing of the double lynch
On April 18 2010 06:34 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
@ KF91 and radfield
I have never liked double lynching early. Most of the time there just isn't a good amount of information at this time and at least 1 townie gets lynched.
One thing fw needs to clean up is whether we can have a double lynch but then only lynch 1 player. I myself doubt it.However, if we can back out, then double lynching is a little less risky since we won't be forced to do a lynch on bad info.
- Supplies the inactive list
On April 19 2010 02:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
These people have not posted yet since the game started or have made about one post with only a few lines in it of little substance:
Roffles
nbtnbt5
krndandaman
Fishball
Elemenope
tree.hugger
rebirth of legend (but he posted a lot pregame too)
RaGe
Jadefist
TheLardyGooser
Caller (wtf mate)
love1another
jpak
Now this is a rather large list (let me know if i missed anybody). One reason could be that the game started on the weekend, so don't think this is some end all be all declaration of scum/inactivity.
However, two things:
1. if we want to lynch an inactive Day 1 this is where we start
2. if you are new and not posting but are here, you should probably start! we don't bite.
- Defends Caller saying that he wouldn't pull of the same mafia act twice in a row
On April 19 2010 02:19 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote:
I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this? The problem is that we have guarantee that everyone will comply, especially the Assns. As i posted before, the plan basically runs contrary to the victory condition of an assassin, so it makes no sense for them to comply. If i was an assassin i'd spend the first couple nights rolechecking people anyway, since you have so few kills.
On April 19 2010 02:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
edit: NO guarantee.
On April 19 2010 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 05:56 Ace wrote:
We can just lynch Caller since it's been shown when he doesn't post he's scum. I dont know. do you really think he'd expect to get away with the same thing for 2 games in a row?
- Medic and DT list
On April 20 2010 13:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Guys remember to check out the ZBOT thread, it will be a very useful tool in the near future. I wonder where Zona is though? Busy programming/making love to the robot? I'm sure he'll turn up. Anyway some suggestions from little old me - DT list: Anyone suspicious and/or semi active. From my POV this includes motbob, tree.hugger, BM, TheLardyGooser. Maybe rage because of Day 1? Use your best judgment. Medic List: The obvious - Ace (even though he's not helping ... yet, he actually might be a DT), Zona, BC, Incognito, myself (lol  )
What makes me really suspicious about infun is the fact that he is looking very pro-town by stating is facts clearly and not getting accused that much, but at the same time, he hasn't been giving any ideas as to what the town should do. He's been giving little nudges here and there to guide the town, but he hasn't really put out a plan we should look at. He doesn't make any type of accusations about anybody and I believe that he doesn't even have suspicions against others.
He really hasn't contributed much after the Ace/Caller/nAi incident, and his last few posts have been mostly one-liners (But I guess I can't really blame him, because the thread post-Night 1 has been getting... spammy.), but it is quite noticeable how his long-drawn posts have recently turned into short one-liners.
Random trivia:
- Infun made the most interaction with Caller in his posts.
- He has made 27 posts since the beginning of the game (Using the archive, so I may be wrong)
- Voted for jpak during Day 1
Final Conclusions:
I personally believe that Infun could be a mafia. His non-aggressive posting style and his recent inactivity (Or lack of posts with content) makes me want to believe that he is mafia pretending to be a "helpful" townie member. He might have had something come up in real life, so we'll have to hear what he has to say. Of course, these are just my thoughts, so feel free to criticize me about what I think about him, and Infun can bash on me if he wants to as well. :D
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On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths.
Your third sentence contradicts itself? It pretty much says, "we will probably have enough information to use a double lynch, but I'm not comfortable using this enough information to actually lynch two people!!?" Which is it? Although yes, at this rate, nobody's spitting out enough information to DL tomorrow. This statement is shaky, but I guess it doesn't make sense for you to say this as mafia. Since really not very many solid suspects have been brought up, so you wouldn't have the need to avoid DLing then.
On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information.
Great I'll look forward to it.
On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever)
So you are in the lets-not-kill-more-innocent-townies-with-shaky-Double-Lynches camp, but you're also in the lets-lynch-people-just-because-i-don't-want-a-no-lynch camp. Cool beans.
On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game.
I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought.
Hmm...you're still suspicious, but this has put me back into indecision. Actually finding out today's deaths makes you look more innocent. Since two people on your medic list died. I'm not sure you're that crazy to put two of your hit list members on a public medic list. Although I guess since Hobbes was like a lolwut and Foolishness was acting...shady you could take that risk. In any case, I await your active contributions to the town effort.
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It is sad that this night we would see the deaths of the likes of these. Let us salute our fallen comrades.
Radfield, the noble detective.
Foolishness, the valiant madhatter.
Hobbes, the honorable medic.
Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways.
WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE?
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On April 21 2010 12:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It is sad that this night we would see the deaths of the likes of these. Let us salute our fallen comrades.
Radfield, the noble detective.
Foolishness, the valiant madhatter.
Hobbes, the honorable medic.
Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways.
WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE?
chezinu?
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On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
Lolwut since when does BM step up to the plate? And since when does tree.hugger trump ppl like Zona for the "good and helpful players" list?
Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3. On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths. Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please.. You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information. Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy. I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1. About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever) Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).
Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list. Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game. I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought. This post feels pretty squirmy to me
Um what makes you think this? I thought it was at least halfway decent...
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is awesome32274 Posts
Ace, do you mind explaining me what reasoning you have for your little auction game. And how did you set how much cash every player has?
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On April 21 2010 12:04 Korynne wrote:
Hi guys! Just reading through the thread right now, will post noob analysis in a bit (first game >.<).
Ooh look! Another noob card! We've got a lot of those floating around...wonder how many of them will lead us in the right direction...Where are you peoples? Can we get this train going already?
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Alright, so we're lynching meeple because he's an indecisive flip-flopper speaking in ambiguous language? Considering Jugan was just modkilled and flipped green, I don't think we should take his 'team player' comment to seriously. I like Incognito's idea about forced post analysis, though I'm still digesting the results of Night 1. Seriously, 3 blues dead and no one bats an eye? Granted we (or rather, Foolishness) got TheLardyGooser, but I'm still feeling things are a bit more stressed than I'd like going into Day 2.
Summary of arguments from dead people, taken from the archives. I'm fairly sure that the archive needs to be updated, so it could be updated with any other posts in the thread, but I'd rather sleep first.
CynanMachae
- suspects TheLardyGooser
- pro-inactive lynching
- agrees with Incognito on Osmoses
- dislikes RoL bandwagon
Radfield
- contributes to double-lynch discussion (use double lynch early?)
- advocates inactive Day 1 lynch
- anti-BM plan, suspicious of him
- takes notes of particular bandwagoners (darththienan, meeple, infundibulum, scamp, jadefist)
- speaks in defense of RaGe
- FoS on AcrossFiveJulys
Foolishness
- is fairly critical of meeple re: lynches (though this was a misunderstanding?)
- FoS on TheLardyGooser (and eventually killed him)
- misunderstanding between him/Incognito about spam posting
- FoS on RaGe for previous discussion
[nyc]hobbes
- against double-lynch on Day 3
- argument with Jugan
- for lynching inactives on Day 1
Any common threads here? Both Foolishness and CynanMachae spoke out against TheLardyGooser; Foolishness and Radfield both took note of meeple - albeit for different reasons, and one of those reasons potentially being faulty. More importantly though, I think Radfield had the right idea with looking at the vote list for bandwagoners. We're discussing meeple right now, whom I feel we have a good case for; I'd also like to look at Darth, Scamp and Inf, all of whom I'll leave for the morning unless some kind soul decides to do it for me. As for JadeFist... well, no matter what color he flips his action was just really, really DUMB and he should be probably be killed for it.
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On April 21 2010 12:16 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
Lolwut since when does BM step up to the plate? And since when does tree.hugger trump ppl like Zona for the "good and helpful players" list? Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3. On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths. Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please.. You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information. Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy. I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1. About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever) Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).
Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list. Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game. I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought. This post feels pretty squirmy to me Um what makes you think this? I thought it was at least halfway decent...
zona isnt doing a fucking thing to help us
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On April 21 2010 12:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 12:16 Incognito wrote:On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
Lolwut since when does BM step up to the plate? And since when does tree.hugger trump ppl like Zona for the "good and helpful players" list? On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3. On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths. Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please.. You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information. Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy. I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1. About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever) Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).
Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list. Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game. I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought. This post feels pretty squirmy to me Um what makes you think this? I thought it was at least halfway decent... zona isnt doing a fucking thing to help us
Well uh...and you think Ace and BC ARE going to do something to help us?
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Just got home and found out I got killed.
GG All, good luck town
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STOP THE GAME!
Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia
Lets get this shit.
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On April 21 2010 12:26 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 12:21 Bill Murray wrote:On April 21 2010 12:16 Incognito wrote:On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.
since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.
We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,
Lolwut since when does BM step up to the plate? And since when does tree.hugger trump ppl like Zona for the "good and helpful players" list? On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3. On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths. Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please.. You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information. Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy. I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1. About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever) Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).
Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list. Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game. I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought. This post feels pretty squirmy to me Um what makes you think this? I thought it was at least halfway decent... zona isnt doing a fucking thing to help us Well uh...and you think Ace and BC ARE going to do something to help us?
Yes. BC might. Ace started to but I am not seeing him contribute to the town... They are doing a LOT more than Zona. I haven't seen Zona for literally like 40 hours or something.
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On April 21 2010 12:36 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Just got home and found out I got killed.
GG All, good luck town
we don't need LUCK as a town. We need action.
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