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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
April 21 2010 00:31 GMT
#961
Apologies for post #3 in a row but...

medics! protect incognito at all costs. As far as I can tell, he's our best shot at really outing some mafia.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
April 21 2010 00:39 GMT
#962
Ah Osmoses. Glad you're cleaning up your act. Although I don't know if I agree with everything you said in your post, at least it sounds like you're trying. Don't worry though, this congratulatory post does not mean that I'm going to clear you off my list. I'm still keeping an eye on you. After all, mafia also would like to listen to me in order to get off of my suspicion list, no?

KF91: If you really think you can post a satisfactory analysis of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the game even on day 3 when we've lost a few, then I don't know what you're thinking. Would probably be impossible even for a guy like Ver or Qatol. Pick the most suspicious people and work from there. You can't waste your time analyzing everyone.

Alternatively...we can use this system. It'll be good for getting a quick and dirty analysis of everyone, and it will give everyone something specific to do. Not only that, but it will all help you improve your mafia hunting skills. So I propose that (after the day post goes up): we all analyze the player below us on the player signup list. Last person (madnessman) analyzes the first person, obviously. Ignore dead people (obviously). We should get out the analyses quickly, then we can go from there.

Tips for analyzing players (in this case, the player under you):

Use Zona's archive bot. Run through all the posts made by the player you're analyzing, and note any suspicious behavior. I have done my example of meeple, so you can check what I did there. Looking back I guess I should have consolidated and made my post more organized, but I was kinda doing a rough on-the-fly analysis there. When you're reading, try to create a persona around the player's attitude and goals. Is the player abrasive? Are they actually working to help the town or are they whining that there is no information? Do they have an agenda in mind? What do you think it is? Is the player content with sitting back and watching the action? You can use these questions to help you determine where people are going and what alignment they are.

Anyway, in the hopes of not burdening everyone with a long laundry-list of tips, I'll just leave it at that for now. Don't worry if you think we'll rip apart your analysis. Don't be afraid about being wrong. Naturally, people will be wrong sometimes, you can't always be right. Gotta start somewhere, ya?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 21 2010 00:56 GMT
#963
On April 21 2010 09:29 KF91 wrote:TE]

Oh, I think you just misunderstood because of my sentence structuring style -.- Sorry bout that. "Read" in that context was in an imperative sense, as in I was telling Osmoses to read the past two pages, and not "Read" as in "I just read the past two pages"


Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
April 21 2010 01:00 GMT
#964
Whodead?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
April 21 2010 01:01 GMT
#965
Day 2

In the morning most of the inhabitants of Liq Vegas were reminiscing about April 20th: smoking, drinking and trying to win SC2 beta keys in the latest TL giveaway. Still sleepy and quite hung over, the townies were abruptly brought back to reality by the sound of a bomb going off in the town’s main square. This was Liq Vegas after all, where nobody was safe. Running into the square, the town found the body Foolishness the Mad Hatter , who had been ambushed on his way back from placing a bomb under the house of TheLardyGooser - amateur mafia goon. The town rejoiced at the sigt of red blood, but their happiness was short-lived. In a nearby shed they discovered more dead townies: Radfield the detective, [NyC]Hobbes the medic and CynnanMachae the Miller had been killed during the night.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
April 21 2010 01:06 GMT
#966
shucks, well good job to Foolishness at any rate. I was just gettin in to it....

gl all
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
April 21 2010 01:11 GMT
#967
Aww Milller lol Anyway good luck town.

At least I die knowing I was right
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
April 21 2010 01:12 GMT
#968
*gasp* Wow...

I was kinda wishing to die...especially since I won't be around tomorrow...I guess I posted too late.

Oh well, I guess that's all the more reason we need to step it up since we've lost some of our glitter and glitz ya? Back to the grind...

(Which means, you can now start posting your analysis of the next guy underneath you who isn't dead).
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 21 2010 01:13 GMT
#969
obvious blue snipers are obvious
who's capable of blue sniping?

Zona
Ace
BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it)
me
Incognito
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 21 2010 01:16 GMT
#970
On April 21 2010 10:13 Caller wrote:
obvious blue snipers are obvious
who's capable of blue sniping?

Zona
Ace
BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it)
me
Incognito


They also say Caller is a Baller (at sniping).
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 01:17:14
April 21 2010 01:17 GMT
#971
mafia has 4 kp? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
April 21 2010 01:25 GMT
#972
Lol I guess I get an easy person to analyze (actually not that easy since there's not much to say, but w/e):

Love1Another:

Has 3 in-game posts. Of which only 2 are really relevant. 1st relevant post: is an I'm confused post. But it doesn't say much else. No thought of trying to contribute, so that doesn't raise a big red flag. Although he is quick to say he isn't an assassin...probably means nothing, I'm guessing. 2nd relevant post: Wanting to be Jugan's friend. Cute. Not enough information to go on at this point, but it could be an "I like chaos and alienation! Keep doing it, its' helping our cause!" kind of post, but idk. Keeping with my promise to not let you guys just pop up at a convenient time just to defend yourself, I'll just keep this one in the back of my mind until we hear more from other people.

Next!
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
April 21 2010 02:11 GMT
#973
On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:
Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3.
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then.



I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths.

Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please..


You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information.

Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy.


I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1.

About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever)

Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).

Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list.


Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game.

I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought.

Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 21 2010 02:16 GMT
#974
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.

since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.

We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,

There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91

On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:
Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3.
On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then.



I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths.

Show nested quote +
Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please..


You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information.

Show nested quote +
Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy.


I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1.

About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever)

Show nested quote +
Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).

Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list.


Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game.

I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought.




This post feels pretty squirmy to me



Also, Meeple, when you said "
On April 20 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 09:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
If Jugan switches it'll be to vote for me


Oh you doubter... I know Jugan is a team player
"

How on earth do you KNOW that?

Let's lynch Meeple.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 21 2010 02:18 GMT
#975
i agree
let's get that man
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
April 21 2010 02:18 GMT
#976
On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote:
This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit.

since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me.

We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage:
Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum,

There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote:
On April 21 2010 09:21 Incognito wrote:
Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3.
On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then.



I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths.

Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please..


You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information.

Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy.


I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1.

About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever)

Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do).

Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list.


Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game.

I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought.




This post feels pretty squirmy to me



Also, Meeple, when you said "
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 09:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
If Jugan switches it'll be to vote for me


Oh you doubter... I know Jugan is a team player
"

How on earth do you KNOW that?

Let's lynch Meeple.


Look at the timing of Jugan's vote post... I saw his vote go in before I posted that.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 02:24:16
April 21 2010 02:22 GMT
#977
Jugan the Townie has been modkilled, for a few different reasons: BM in thread, BM in PM, and poor attitude in general. (Edited in reasoning for clarity's sake)

No, you were not the Miller.
You don't even get lightning. Nor do you get your goat.

Goodbye, and please don't bother me anymore.

Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 21 2010 02:38 GMT
#978
Korynne has joined the game to replace Fulgrim, who has to deal with real life issues.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 21 2010 02:40 GMT
#979
From: citi.zen [ 1431 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: tonight
Date: 4/21/10 07:12
You are not getting mod killed tonight. I know you had some converstions with Flamewheel and received a warning. I hope things are now clear and everyone can move on and enjoy the game.

GG!
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 21 2010 02:41 GMT
#980
lol sorry you perceived my attempt to give you a hug as BM.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
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