Micro-MAFIA (The Second) - Page 9

On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:

It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it.

As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend.

Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them.

The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word.

In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting.

Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play.

Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day.

##Vote RebirthOfLegend##

On April 01 2010 11:19 Foolishness wrote:


The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts (even if they're bad). RoL has hardly said a thing, and we can't hold him accountable. If we want to kill Cynan tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be around to talk about it, RoL isn't a sure thing.

That being said, the same thing can be said about flamewheel. Given the inactivity of this town, we need to get the mafia out of hiding. Killing off our most active poster (maybe?) is a terrible idea, as if he flips green mafia is still going to sit in the shadows (granted if he's actually mafia we got a whole new set of information but is it really worth it?). If you are still suspicious of flamewheel, bring up arguments against him tomorrow. He's going to respond, cause if he doesn't he knows he will die. More chances he's going to mess something up. However this same thing doesn't work on inactive players, which is why we can't kill flamewheel yet.

On April 01 2010 13:21 flamewheel91 wrote:
I forgive you L <3

On April 01 2010 07:14 L wrote:
Really bad WIFOM, especially given that pretty much all of the votes are spread out. Why?

Are townies too afraid to agree, or are they trying to put FoSs everywhere to make someone screw up? Are mafia trying to make their votes blend in as much as possible rather than start a train on someone who will flip innocent?

There are two possible explanations to this: either mafia is content with where votes are and don't really feel like throwing their weight around, or they realize people are fucking around and don't care.

There are two vote 'strings' in play right now:

BM/Vivi
voting for

Cynan
voting for

RoL
voting for
L

and

madnessman
voting for

KF91
voting for

flamewheel

Players who are 2 rungs apart are more likely to be on the same team.

Possible pairings:

flamewheel/madnessman
L/Cynan
BM or Vivi/RoL

Oddly enough, madnessman made his first post with a very light FoS against flamewheel. I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable.

Other possible pairings involve players who haven't voted yet, so Foolishness/xxx or flamewheel/xxx

Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up.

##vote flamewheel91##

I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable.

Announces that he won’t be back until later tonight after voting is done. However, gets on to defend himself even after Bill Murray has switched his vote.

Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk.

You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel.

On April 01 2010 14:36 L wrote:
WIFOM means wine in front of me. An argument that says:

"If i was mafia, I'd never do xyz, and I did xyz, so i'm not mafia!"

Generally seen as a scummy, poor argument; the strength of the above claim itself is the counter-argument; mafia love doing things that make them not look like mafia.

FOS means FINGER OF SUSPICION. basically means "i'm watchin' u lol, but i'm not 100% sure i'ma vote for you yet :3".

Wasn't really that elaborate, nor would you need to vote in response. Its just a simple spiky defense wherein you have 1 mafia member push to discredit a town member that's on to something for reasons unrelated to his suspicions.

This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it.

The idea behind presenting it when I did was to dissuade mafia members after my vote from voting according to the once removed vote chain, mostly to see what information we'd get regarding you/flamewheel. I didn't want him to die, as per my 'I'll place it here for now' statement, but that's kinda the breaks. 4 people were active in assigning their final votes after mine. None of the votes after my post were directed at a 'new' target or placed on someone who hadn't been voted before.

On April 01 2010 14:47 madnessman wrote:


woops. posted after rol's post, but didnt see this. "This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it." But prior to my voting for kf91, he didn't voice ANY suspicions of flamewheel. i dont understand your logic; if ur string theory were true, i'd be wasting my vote on someone who has advocated a sit back out of the action strategy; he's even said he hasnt posted much because it's a lose:lose situation for the town either way. he's no L or bm who'd be more prone to go after somebody and push for their lynch. so yes, i dont really see the logic in your string theory.

anyways, going to bed.

On April 01 2010 12:55 L wrote:
I just got back from a friend's birthday party. Didn't think I'd be there so late, but that's that. Mario kart and indian food mix very well. Check my post times on the site; I was online and posting between 3 and 7pm EST ish while I was in my school library, then left for the party which started at 7:30.

I find it kinda interesting that I put my vote on someone really late to avoid people wagoning based purely on me voting, and specifically say that its just there to get reactions, but then bill murray goes off the rails in his crazy train and switches his vote target a sixth time. Prior, he/vivi had been trying to kill cynan, and then both drop cynan as a target and vote for flame/me.


Vivi's vote in particular is interesting; Instead of voting against RoL to stop the result of the 'bandwagon' that I specifically took pains not to start, he votes against me. Not only does he vote vote against me, but he doesn't bother trying to convince anyone of flame's innocence.

Between vivi and bill murray, the two switched votes approximately 10 times. That bill would push so hard for someone's lynch is completely different from his town behavior, but his style has been changing rapidly over the past few games. Vivi, by contrast, is just stupid, so I can't tell if his hypocritical condemnation is genuine or intentionally misleading.


If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. Mafia would have adored the opportunity to seem as if they were swinging a vote away from a townie if there was no risk that they would cast the deciding vote or that they would be setting up their ally to die.

Sorry bout' bein' away, but them's the breaks.

On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote:
Meh, two new comments. At least one of them is from Foolishness^^

Dealing with Bill:
Squirming involves flailing, and that's what you have done, not me. I've countered your arguments in a methodical and logical manner, and you have (until now) refrained from returning the riposte.

So glad you couldn't have posted this the first time instead of looking for an obvious way out.

I'm also so glad you can float around your new terms such as FoS, AtE, and OMGUS (oh look at how good Bill is now!) but you see here, I haven't voted for you. That's the key thing here, eh? Furthermore, an OMGUS attack is exactly what you're doing against me. While I argue with logic and reason, you just write off what I try to say, and just now are responding.

Please note that I said you were calling out Foolishness and that I read that as a defense. Nice try twisting my words though.

Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it.

@Foolishness:
I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^
I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia.

On April 02 2010 04:18 L wrote:
Sucking my dick won't make me suspect you less :3.

Also: people need to post more.

madnessman and L both need to contribute something to this town as so far they haven't said all that much.