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On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote:
##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now?  It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend##
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=All
There goes your "Rebirth of always inactive when he is mafia" point.
You open up in this post copping out blame to flamewheel "ya your getting what you want" like you were hesitant to vote me. Then come out with some analysis that is wrong at best.
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"Yeah, you PMS, like a bitch,"
sorry, when he said this to me, it made me mad.
i am editing only because of my language in these posts, as I don't want to hurt his feelings.
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I don't give a fuck if it's a song, either, you watch your mouth
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I should OMGUS vote you, but I think your idiocy is most certainly townie
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post was like "madnessman, don't talk to me that way, i will eat your children"
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i went a little overboard, but i didn't expect someone to mix in ad hom with their argument so blatantly, and being called a bitch shouldn't be involved in a mafia game whatsoever. i shouldn't have to read this about myself. this guy doesn't know me whatsoever. I don't mind him making an argument about me having tons of votes, I feel like that is a weak case, and regardless of whether or not if he's being serious if he did this in front of me in person i would get pretty violent.
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There will be no more warnings. Any edits after this post, for whatever reason, will result in modkills. Preview your post before posting if you think you might regret something you're about to post.
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sorry for that, but that comment got my blood boiling
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if people would refrain from using ad hominem or whatever it's called when you attack someone and call them a stupid pmsing idiot then maybe people wouldnt fight so much
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oh shit. bill murray, im really REALLY sorry; i didn't think you'd take this badly. that was in no way meant to offend you. they're just lyrics from a song that popped up on my shuffle while i was on mafia forums. i'm honestly not trying to attack your personal character. i just thought some parts of the song applied in the sense that in your posting- u change your mind so often, retract statements you said earlier, (eg. "oh, i decided flamewheel was green RIGHT before voting ended"--how convenient) etc etc. and if there were a few lines in the song that didn't fit (notice i didn't quote anything under that line) i left it there because i didn't think you'd take it the wrong way and find it insulting. but you did. so i apologize, please don't be offended, please don't eat my babies... "you pms like a bitch" does NOT reflect how i think about you personally in ANY way. if i do decide to keep my vote on you, i assure you i'll write a proper list of reasons.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 02 2010 22:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote:
##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now? It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend## http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=AllThere goes your "Rebirth of always inactive when he is mafia" point. You open up in this post copping out blame to flamewheel "ya your getting what you want" like you were hesitant to vote me. Then come out with some analysis that is wrong at best.
My "ya you're getting what you want" at flamewheel was directed at the fact that he was asking me to post analysis and to legitimately vote for someone. It wasn't about believing him or following his lead, I voted for you out of my own accord although I did agree with what he said. And yeah my noting of how you act when you're different roles wasn't a necessary and/or sufficient condition, it's what I noticed based on the games I had played with you.
Besides, at the current rate, you're being active, which, according to my analysis, would most likely mean you're innocent. You promised you'd be more active this game and so far you're delivering, and I got no qualms with that. Town can't afford to lynch any more active players when there are ~3 people being quiet. I want Cynan and Vivi and KF to speak up. And preferably madnessman and BM to stop bickering at each other and post something useful.
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Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now.
The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting.
(This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D)
And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD
Vivi57
+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote:
##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote:
Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote:
you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote:
can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote:
lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2.
RebirthOfLeGenD
+ Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
CynanMachae
+ Show Spoiler +He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all.
Foolishness
+ Show Spoiler +The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote:
As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen.
madnessman
+ Show Spoiler +Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote:
on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment.
Final Thoughts
+ Show Spoiler +I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote:
##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote:
Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote:
you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote:
can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote:
lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote:
As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote:
on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time.
We got 2 more lynches to get a mafia before we lose. Right now there are 7 people alive with 2 mafia. If we mislynch, there are 4 townies and 2 mafia. Assuming the mafia's night hit goes through, tomorrow there will be 3 townies and 2 mafia. The game won't be over and if the town lynches a mafia they can win the next day if they lynch the right person again. I think this is the situation in Zona's first mafia game.
Obviously this is definitely not a situation we want to be in, but it's not like today's lynch is an all or nothing scenario.
And I am definitely one of the most active posters right now, if not the most active. I tell the town to be more active, and only RoL steps up (and you if you start posting more). I'm not counting madnessman and BM as they aren't doing anything useful just bickering at each other (which by the way is very suspicious as they are cluttering up the thread).
I said I was suspicious of you because if your non-committal posting during the first day. Even now your analysis is kinda non-committal, though I'm glad someone else is trying to help the town.
POST MORE PEOPLE
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Wow a whole day and there isn't one more page. At least, among the less actives, KF91 shared his thoughts, and I will do so now too.
Vivi57
+ Show Spoiler +Quite suspect imo. Maybe he's just playing badly. but so far he hasn't been pro-town at all, voicing random suspecion (the one toward me was a bit better, tho), but his constant agression toward L is just spammy and he hasn't either contributed anything toward other players. The thing is tho, that from past games I saw, he has shown to be doing that quite often. He seems only to show up when under scrutiny.
RebirthOfLeGenD
+ Show Spoiler +I've already said how I was suspicious of RoL, and it still hasn't changed. He said he was be more active but so far his one post against Foolishness is pretty much his only contribution. He also said he suspected KF91 and BM, but didn't bring any reason to that even when saying he was gonna read again to find out why. I also really like KF91's analysis about him and Vivi, that so far both haven't really mentionned the other.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +BM's play is really hard to analyze since he behavior is so erratic and it's been like that for all the game I've played with him so far (his psoting style did get better tho, now it's quite less spammy (but we did get back the old Bill Murray on this page when he got angry at madnessman)) That make me think that the less spammy BM could be some caution coming from being mafia (or told by his teamate) because in the past games it was one of the main reasons he was being voted off. How he reverted to that old posting style under aggression could very well be a sign that he was restraining himself before. Imo it's a bit suspicious but not as much as Vivi or RoL.
KF91
+ Show Spoiler +His last post was useful, and that's good to see some contribution from someone not really active because we don't want mafia hiding among them. I would hold against him his voting toward Flamewheel because it was pretty random after L's post (but then he's been saying it's due to the length of Flamewheel's posts).
I can't say I would suspect him much but he should start posting more.
I really have to leave soon so I'll do the last two quick but will try to have more analysis tomorrow.
Foolishness
+ Show Spoiler +So far, it's maybe due to the fact that he's been pushing at me a lot, but most of his posts were filled with a lot of general thoughts and mostly saying that inactive people should post more and start to contribute while not putting a lot of information himself. He did make that huge post defending himself after RoL voted for him, tho. H'es not really high on my list but I would really need to read most of his posts again tomorrow to form a better analysis.
madnessman
+ Show Spoiler +So far Imo he's been the one contributing the most lately (well, after flamewheel in day 1). Also, he really has been on L's case before L died, so I wouldn't think he would be doing that if mafia were about to kill him. That's useless suspicions thrown around and could come back against him.
Hopefully I can post some more about the last two tommorow.
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Alright. I would really like to clear up what I meant from my earlier post, since you found it really offensive BM (sorry again  ). So BM, these were the things that stood out to me about your behavior:
1. You throw around a bunch of random votes, just so that you can "see how people react." Ok. That's understandable--to an extent. But if you look at the thread, you switch your votes so quickly, before people have the chance to respond to you. You initially claimed that your strategy was to put pressure on people to see how they respond, but then don't even wait to see what their response is, before you're putting pressure on somebody else.
2. After L posts his 2 string theory--which you don't question at all and take as solid truth--you vote for flamewheel. Suddenly, you're no longer randomly throwing votes around. Seems like you were doing the exact thing you call me mafia for and accused me of doing. All of a sudden, because L says so, you think flamewheel is GUARANTEED mafia, claiming he has "buddy-buddy" behavior with Cynan. He asks you to explain. (these posts are in order, one right after the other.)
On April 01 2010 08:28 flamewheel91 wrote:
Explain, then.
On April 01 2010 08:29 flamewheel91 wrote:
Oh, and if your ?? is really as incredulous as I make it out to be, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy over your "buddy-buddy" call-out.
On April 01 2010 08:48 Bill Murray wrote:
you're making absolutely no sense to me. i'm going to keep my vote on you unless something drastic happens.
You ignore all of his attempts to explain himself, calling it "squirmy." From so little information, you push REALLY hard for his lynch. And then, when he turns up green, you say "oh, actually i realized he was green right before he died" when before, despite all his attempted explanations, you ignored it all, saying "keep squirming."
So as you can see, i REALLY didn't mean to attack your personal character. You're right, I don't know you at all. These were just the things I noticed, and I thought that I would use that song because I wasn't sure if I wanted to write what L would call a "balls to the wall" accusation of you, and the song captured how you kept claiming different things, always seeming to say what was most convenient at that point in time. The lyrics weren't supposed to be 100% literally towards you--I mean, part of the lyrics are "we fight we break up, we kiss, we make up," which are obviously not true as we are most certainly not in a relationship, thank god. (err. this is also not meant to be offensive towards you or anything. just highlighting the preposterous of our being in a relationship. lol. ok im going to stop now.) So I hope you're not still pissed, and we can continue this game with no hard feelings.
Will I be keeping my vote on you? Idk. It's hard to draw conclusions when I could prob count the number of posts some ppl have made on my fingers alone. I don't think you're guaranteed OMG MAFIA, but the way you acted with flamewheel was very suspicious. So atm, it basically boils down to: a) vote for someone whose acted very scummily or b) vote for someone whose been quiet and I have little to no info on. We still have a decent amount of time before lynch votes are due; I just thought I'd throw that vote out there (keeping it somewhat light-hearted, and not a serious U MUST BE MAFIA accusation), to see what would happen and possibly get more info. So yeah, those were my reasons. Sorry if I came off as brash and offensive instead.
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On April 03 2010 09:42 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote:
##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote:
Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote:
you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote:
can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote:
lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote:
As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote:
on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time. We got 2 more lynches to get a mafia before we lose. Right now there are 7 people alive with 2 mafia. If we mislynch, there are 4 townies and 2 mafia. Assuming the mafia's night hit goes through, tomorrow there will be 3 townies and 2 mafia. The game won't be over and if the town lynches a mafia they can win the next day if they lynch the right person again. I think this is the situation in Zona's first mafia game. Obviously this is definitely not a situation we want to be in, but it's not like today's lynch is an all or nothing scenario. And I am definitely one of the most active posters right now, if not the most active. I tell the town to be more active, and only RoL steps up (and you if you start posting more). I'm not counting madnessman and BM as they aren't doing anything useful just bickering at each other (which by the way is very suspicious as they are cluttering up the thread). I said I was suspicious of you because if your non-committal posting during the first day. Even now your analysis is kinda non-committal, though I'm glad someone else is trying to help the town. POST MORE PEOPLE
You're calling yourself the most active poster right now? LOL.. posting "hay town, why don't you post more" HARDLY counts as contribution. Even though KF91 and Cynan have less posts than you in terms of quantity, each of their most recent posts has more content than your last 2 posts COMBINED. Why don't you practice what you preach?
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lol fuck I feel kind of bad for this, but I am really tired. I will post tomorrow morning. Night guys :/
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On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote:
##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote:
Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote:
you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote:
can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote:
lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote:
As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote:
on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time.
this guy = MLF or MTF or whatever the fuck that guy's name is IMO
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I believe that Madnessman, RebirthofLegend, and myself are probably town or townie
I am moderately suspicious of vivi
I am very suspicious of the people who are making lists of people and giving their suspicions of every single individual like we are supposed to care what they think. It just feels like the way I would see some person really deeply into policy, like zona, play if they were mafia. It comes across as very sour and odd to me, and I don't like it. Would you all try to pick one person and go in detail on them next time as opposed to putting FoS so spread around that noone can take you that seriously?
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madnessman, to me, feels like an argumentative townie... he's too scared to do anything stupid to hurt the town, so he is practically abstaining by sitting with his vote on me.
KF91 has been erratic and actively lurking all game, we should definitely lynch this guy and eliminate his scummy behavior.
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