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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
You all can say "you've been wrong", but I really haven't. Before flamewheel died, I realized he was green, and asked him how long that we had to change our votes. When I went to change my vote, the post was already overdue. Trust me until I'm wrong please. LETS LYNCH KF91 | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now. going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled. ##vote kf91 I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
At this point I do NOT drop my case against foolishness, I will put it on hold until KF is dead. ##Vote KF## I think we are going the right way here, KF is using backwards logic when he voted for FlameWheel. He basically voted flamewheel because flamewheel would be the biggest threat later on, he was talking and contributing a lot and activity HURTS the mafia. Yes, Flamewheel was being exceptionally wordy, but that is good. It gives us the town more to work with and the ability to read whats shit when its there. Any fool can see how flamewheel's posts were beneficial to the town. After that KF continues to not really say anything of substance and just goes with it. Look at his suspect list. It lists me and Vivi as the prime two suspects and gives NO COMMENT on foolishness. Who is obviously my strongest candidate. I think from a mafia perspective, I am an easy candidate to persecute. I usually post a lot and am very active, this game I haven't really done as much and mafia can easily jump on that. I posted enough nocontent shit to where I can pass for a mafia. If you look at the first days lynch, It could of just as easily been me, and instead of making up a bunch of reasons to go and off flamewheel I refused to move my vote because I knew that would make me look like a suspect if flamewheel flipped green. I knew this and would of rather died then screw with how the town is thinking. I also think its unlikely that you would be able to get a good wagon going on any mafia member Day 1. They have more influence on what happens and who gets votes since we really have no direction as a town, so they can push and pull at us as they play. If we take mafia influence on day one into account they are more likely to jump on someones idea to lynch someone who IS NOT mafia and start a wagon from there. If we look at the Day 1 lynch vote. 3 votes for flamewheel91 (first): [stripe]rebirthoflegend[/stripe] kf91 l bill murray 3 votes for rebirthoflegend: cynanmachae flamewheel91 foolishness While that doesn't follow directly with what I said, we see the two biggest suspects influencing the vote. The only surprising part is that KF was sort of the first vote on flamewheel. For everything that happens we need to take the voting into account. I don't think mafia would team up to lynch someone on Day one, but I do think they are both on those lists somewhere and like I said my two big suspects are Foolishness and KF. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
But the rule will probably be changed too. Probably something along these lines: any edit 5 minutes or later than the original post results in a modkill. Any other edit results in a warning, 3 warnings results in a modkill. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
I would really like BM and Vivi to share their reasons more and also madnessman and Foolishness to be back posting on that. That fact that this town is so inactive really mean that the mafia can lead us easy with moves like that. I'm going to put my vote on vivi right now because I'd really like him to explain himself and he was my top suspect with RoL. ##Vote Vivi57## | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
##Vote Vivi57## | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On to business... So wtf happened. I come back and suddenly everybody thinks KF91 is mafia. I'm surprised, because I got a completely different read from his analysis. He's really cautious, somewhat noncommittal in his post. The way he posted that analysis reminds me of my first few posts in my first game of TL mafia--wary, afraid to tread on anybody's toes (I was town in that game). This so far is consistent with what we know about KF91 as a relatively new, quiet/cautious player. So hmm.. I don't know if I'm not reading in between the lines enough, but like Cynan I'm finding the sudden jump of votes on KF91 pretty interesting. Is it coincidence that the two people KF is fingering as mafia vote for him as soon as he voices his suspicions? This is also the second lynch that BM is pushing REALLY hard for somebody to be lynched, saying that he has a gut instinct and we should trust him. On April 03 2010 18:03 Bill Murray wrote: madnessman, to me, feels like an argumentative townie... he's too scared to do anything stupid to hurt the town, so he is practically abstaining by sitting with his vote on me. KF91 has been erratic and actively lurking all game, we should definitely lynch this guy and eliminate his scummy behavior. I'm not attempting to practically abstain. For the person who pushed the hardest for flamewheel's lynch, you're mighty confident that no one else is suspicious of you. This is my reasoning: BM is playing scummily, but should I let it slide because he always acts this erratically? NAH. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On topic though, not committing and being cautious is more of a mafia tell. A mafia wouldn't want to be associated with a bad lynch generally while most people wouldn't care. This leads to them not starting off bandwagons (generally) and joining them with some words of caution and trying to act like they are being cautious because they don't want to kill a town, but in reality they act cautious so that they do not draw the eye of sauron onto them. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On March 31 2010 17:38 Bill Murray wrote: madnessman with excuse for not being here@scummy behavior.org trying to blend in on obvious town... I was just waiting for someone to try to jump onto that guy after me, but I didn't expect it to be you, madnessman. shame on you for falling into my trap . unvote; ##vote madnessman## Alright BM, first I'm on obvious town to you, and then all of sudden I turn into an obvious mafia after my post... I really don't understand your thinking style -.- On April 03 2010 18:06 Bill Murray wrote: You all might say "that's rubbish, he just posted suspicions" but I feel as if they are forced and the usefulness of them is only to put his name in a good light. He is faking it, and I have had the gut feeling to go after him all game, so lets see if I'm right on this one, guys. You all can say "you've been wrong", but I really haven't. Before flamewheel died, I realized he was green, and asked him how long that we had to change our votes. When I went to change my vote, the post was already overdue. Trust me until I'm wrong please. LETS LYNCH KF91 For all we know, you could have known when the votes ended; and just pretended to try to change your vote. And what's forced? My suspicion of Vivi and RoL? I just tried to analyze what they have been saying. I guess for the other players I wasn't able to put as much effort, because I had very little suspicion on them. People wanted to know what I was thinking, and I gave that to them. Can you please explain what is wrong with my analysis. On April 03 2010 21:29 Vivi57 wrote: ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion. I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now. going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled. ##vote kf91 I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good. Can you please explain as to why you're voting me? You are providing no explanation, except not to get modkilled. That doesn't seen a good enough reason to me. I see this as a reaction to what I posted yesterday, so let's just get this over with: ##Vote Vivi57## On April 04 2010 01:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think we are going the right way here, KF is using backwards logic when he voted for FlameWheel. He basically voted flamewheel because flamewheel would be the biggest threat later on, he was talking and contributing a lot and activity HURTS the mafia. Yes, Flamewheel was being exceptionally wordy, but that is good. It gives us the town more to work with and the ability to read whats shit when its there. Any fool can see how flamewheel's posts were beneficial to the town. After that KF continues to not really say anything of substance and just goes with it. Look at his suspect list. It lists me and Vivi as the prime two suspects and gives NO COMMENT on foolishness. Who is obviously my strongest candidate. Posting a lot and contributing could also be seen as a mafia trying to blend themselves into the town. Let's say Flame was mafia and we didn't lynch him. I think that as the days went on, we would start trusting what he was saying and basing our lynch votes depending on what he says. I think that is much more dangerous than a quiet mafia who does not contribute, just because they don't have the power to manipulate the other townies. And why should I give comments on foolishness if he's your strongest candidate? The post I made was to inform the town of my suspicions. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
1,2. newb post, acting or not? Defers to more experienced players 3. "why vote for me?" 4. instantly in love with L 5. wants to kill inactives. somewhat contradicts the idea that he's a newb 6. says that post was to induce activity 7. getting defensive 8. essentially arguing that we have no information and should lynch randomly. This is advocating a very pro mafia play, trying to undermine the towns only advantage 9. weak vote on flamewheel for being "too wordy". This vote stays there the whole day 10. interesting. critizing L and flamewheel. The two dead people. 11. long list of accusations. RoL and I basically. One interesting thing I did notice in his last post is how he talks about foolishness disagreeing with everything he said basically. I reread it and the dynamic established between them is definitely worth looking at. Based on his last post where he refuses to comment on foolishness, I'm going to keep my vote there and seriously consider RoL's foolishness/kf theory. and since my last vote probably didn't go through ##vote kf91## Right now, I'm going to reread L and flamewheel and see if anything good comes up. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 04 2010 07:53 Vivi57 wrote: wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## Well, for the record, I discredit vets every game I play, not just when I'm mafia. In last year's summer mafia, I was discrediting BC almost the entire game. In Ver's mafia game, I got killed the first night because all my posts were directed at Pyrry telling him he was full of crap (Pyrry was mafia). In both of these games I was green. I discredit vets all game, every game. Besides, when you lynch me and I flip town you're going to lose an active townsperson and be in quite a pickle. I was discrediting L because he wasn't posting any of his own thoughts and just telling everyone else to post (I'm actually posting my thoughts right now so don't think I'm doing the same thing). Now I'm quite confused on how people are associating me with KF. I was one of the first, if not the first, to say that he's suspicious because of his non committal posting and his inability to formally accuse someone. Most of the people who are voting for him now are using the same reasoning I posted. That being said, I have no idea who to vote for right now. I thought Vivi was legit the first day, RoL defended himself well, and KF has since been active. As I recall, KF actually did post his thoughts about me, and I have been questioning his attitude all game. It's nice that Cynan came in and posted his thoughts and voted, but I was expecting a lot more. I'm going to wait to vote, but madnessman seems like he's going under the radar through all this, and BM to to some extent. They have continued their squabbling with the other, madnessman still is voting to kill BM, and BM made a very short reasoning as why he changed his vote. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And besides, it's not like KF has posted "i'm voting for vivi, I refuse to talk about Foolishness". He's actually been active and gave reasoning to his votes and suspicions. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 04 2010 10:41 Vivi57 wrote: foolishness just generally responded to every post kf made and disagreed with it. Maybe I'm leveling myself, but that's clever distancing if you're both mafia. Yeah it really is clever, especially since I know I'm legit. I'm going to vote for KF right now since there is no one else to vote for. I was thinking voting for madnessman or BM all today, but since Vivi voted for me I don't have much of a choice. As I was the first to point out, KF played the entire first day extrememly cautious. He avoided making enemies in his posting and seemed hesitant to post his thoughts or formally accuse someone. My gut still tells me Vivi is innocent. ##vote Kf91## | ||
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