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No gimmicks. No clues. No elections. No stupid unbalanced shit. And NO PMs or other out of thread communications for most players!
Let's play mafia.
Play seriously. Play to win.
The setup: 9 players: 7 town, 2 mafia
Among the town members, there is a good chance that 1 is a medic, and a good chance 1 is a detective.
Among the mafia members, there is a good chance that 1 is a roleblocker.
Medic: Each night, you may choose one person including yourself to protect. If that person was the target of the mafia nightkill, the nightkill fails.
Detective: Each night, you may choose one person to investigate. You will receive either TOWN-aligned or MAFIA-aligned as a result the next morning.
Roleblocker: Each night, you may choose one person to roleblock. That person's night action is canceled for the night. The person blocked will be notified that they were roleblocked if they tried to perform a night action, but will not know who blocked them. You receive no explicit information as a result of your roleblock.
Town: You win when all mafia are killed, and at least one town member is alive.
Mafia: Each night, your team MUST choose one person to kill. This power is not affected by roleblocking. If you do not choose anyone, the host will randomly choose for you among all the players in the game. You may talk with your mafia teammates outside of the thread. You win when there is no longer any chance for the town to win, and at least one mafia member is alive. You also win if there is only one town-aligned player and one mafia-aligned player alive.
Game balance information: - The chance the town will win if all targets are chosen randomly is approximately 29%. - The earliest the town can win is day 2. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 2%. - The earliest the mafia can win is day 3. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 24%. - The town must successfully lynch 2 times to win the game. - The town can afford at most (2 + x) mislynches and still win, where x is the number of successful medic protections divided by 2, rounded down. + Show Spoiler +The above probabilities are generated under the assumption that power roles always use their powers on randomly selected targets, the town always lynches randomly selected players, and the mafia randomly select among players not on the mafia team to nightkill.
Roles will be assigned to players using a random number generator. The phrase "good chance" is a hidden value defined by the host.
Sample Town role PM: + Show Spoiler +You are a Townie. Good luck!
The Rules you probably already know: + Show Spoiler +Keep the game civil. No cheating, including but not limited to: - logging onto someone else's account - comparing role PM times - posting screenshots of PMs - posting PMs from the host - editing posts - posting anything that could affect the game after death. Only one post-death goodbye post is allowed. The Rules that may be unfamiliar to you: - No out of thread communications (including PMs) is allowed with other players unless you are specifically given this ability. - Do not in any way discuss any other ONGOING mafia games within this game thread. - Do not make any promises beyond the scope of the current game.
Signing up: Open signups! Preference will be given to those who are not participating in other games. In case more than 9 players sign up, players will be semi-randomly chosen from those who have signed up.
Timing: This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle, ending at 10pm EST.
MVP/LVP: In addition to tracking win/loss records under this and other well-balanced formats, at the end of the game players will be invited to PM the host their opinion of which of their fellow players performed the best and worst in this specific game. The host will also vote once. More details to come when the game ends.
Voting Rules: - Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. Anyone without a valid vote when a day ends will be modkilled. - A vote must be for a specific player, or... - You may vote in favor of a no lynch if you believe it is in the best interests of the town. - The player with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. If no lynch has the most votes, no player is lynched. - In the event of a tie, the player (or "no lynch") with the most votes first is considered to have the most votes.
Vote-counting will be done with an automated program for this game:
Vote by including in a post in the game thread a phrase with the following format: ##Vote (playername)##
- Do not ever include "##" in your post for any other reason, and if "##" is in your signature, remove it. - Voting is case-insensitive, but symbols, spacing, and numbers are important. Copy and paste a player's username if you need to be sure. - Players may be assigned "akas". Voting for an "aka" is identical in effect to voting for that player. - Do not change the formatting of your text in the middle of a vote. For example, if you bold your votes, make sure the beginning bold tag starts before the first V, and the ending bold tag ends after the last letter of the player's name. - Vote for a no lynch by including the following: ##Vote no lynch## - Any valid vote posted later than a previous valid vote replaces it. - If for some reason more than one vote is posted in the same post, only the last one counts. - There is no unvoting. If you do not wish to vote for anyone, vote for no lynch. - Anything within quotes is ignored. You can safely quote another player's vote without attributing that vote to yourself.
Example post that includes a vote: + Show Spoiler +That Zona's play has been really fishy this game.
##Vote Zona##
I encourage all of you to vote for him as well, get rid of that stink'n mafia.
During the night phase, submit your night actions by PM to me using the following format: PM Title: Mafia 2 PM Content: ##(action) (playername)##
where action is one of: Roleblock, Protect, Investigate, Kill Example PM content: + Show Spoiler +
You can submit the same action with a different player's name if you change your mind. That submission will supersede your previous action submission. A submission from any member of the mafia team for the action of "Kill" is treated identically. If a different member of the mafia later submits a different kill target, it will replace the earlier submission!
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Player list:
Bill Murray (aka BM), died in the endgame
CynanMachae, died in the endgame
flamewheel91 (aka flamewheel), lynched Day 1 Foolishness
KF91 (aka KF), lynched Day 2
L the detective, killed Night 1 madnessman
RebirthOfLeGenD (aka RoL), killed Night 2
Vivi57 (aka Vivi), lynched Day 3
Flawless Mafia victory!!
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Vote count for the day's lynch, updated as of post # 235:
1 vote for bill murray: madnessman
1 vote for foolishness:
rebirthoflegend vivi57
2 votes for kf91: bill murray rebirthoflegend
vivi57
2 votes for vivi57: cynanmachae kf91
players who have not voted: foolishness
Unrecognized votes:
Vote history by voter:
bill murray voted for: kf91
cynanmachae voted for: vivi57
foolishness voted for:
kf91 voted for: vivi57
madnessman voted for: bill murray
rebirthoflegend voted for: foolishness kf91
vivi57 voted for: kf91 foolishness
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I saw your post in the games forum, hopefully some new players will try this out ^^
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I'd like to try this, would make a change from the large games.
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xelin ima get u this time (:
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"Signups will be open for 3 days, or until 9 players have signed up, whichever is LATER."
:[ I hate for long it takes for mafia games to start, and how long the cycles are. I feel like it would be more fun if you had a mafia game where the lynch cycles were in spans of like 30 minutes lol.
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I hate how long things take too - but most people don't visit TL 5 or more times a day.
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5 players so far and 1 reserve.
btw BM didn't you claim to play on mafiascum? Don't "days" last like 21 days there usually?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
One thing people could do about the "long day/night cycles" would be to hold the "marathon mafia" games like they do on mafiascum.net, where each cycle lasts X minutes and players are required to stay for the duration of the game, and the whole game wouldn't last longer than two hours or so.
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Hmm... I would like to participate in this round :D
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On March 30 2010 02:57 flamewheel91 wrote: One thing people could do about the "long day/night cycles" would be to hold the "marathon mafia" games like they do on mafiascum.net, where each cycle lasts X minutes and players are required to stay for the duration of the game, and the whole game wouldn't last longer than two hours or so. this is a really good idea
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On March 30 2010 02:57 flamewheel91 wrote: One thing people could do about the "long day/night cycles" would be to hold the "marathon mafia" games like they do on mafiascum.net, where each cycle lasts X minutes and players are required to stay for the duration of the game, and the whole game wouldn't last longer than two hours or so.
That would be fun to arrange/play someday O:
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I will join if there's still space.
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On March 30 2010 02:57 flamewheel91 wrote: One thing people could do about the "long day/night cycles" would be to hold the "marathon mafia" games like they do on mafiascum.net, where each cycle lasts X minutes and players are required to stay for the duration of the game, and the whole game wouldn't last longer than two hours or so. Mini Mafia I
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
So I realized that I've co-hosted/hosted way more games for TL mafia than I've played. Let's rectify this situation a bit.
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If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game.
Qatol go go go
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Qatol!
Man it's going to feel weird not editing posts...
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On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad good idea. fix'd
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On March 30 2010 09:53 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad good idea. fix'd
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On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea. Don't be a pussy, this kid is legit.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On March 30 2010 10:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea. Don't be a pussy, this kidMalongo is legit. Fixed¿
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On March 30 2010 10:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea. Don't be a pussy, this kid is legit. Lucky Canadian. You don't have to deal with the Erie doctrine.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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The colony of Micropolis. Day 1.
Nine people, on a colony ship towards Mars, saw a strange asteroid headed their way. "Oh no," one of them cried, "It's the dreaded mindworms! They can slip through solid matter and infest anyone's brains, and it's really hard to tell once they've taken over! And there seems to be two mindworms on the asteroid!"
Unable to steer the ship away from the asteroid, they all braced for impact. Boom! When everything cleared, they were happy to see their ship was intact. But the mindworms were gone! Which of the crew did they infect?
But there was no way to tell, for now. All they could do was land, and begin to set up the colony, and try to survive. Each day they would select one of the crew to lynch and see if the brain was infected. Perhaps they would be able to get rid of the infestation that way.
Roles have been randomized and sent! Day 1 ends at Wednesday, March 31 at 10pm EST (or April 1 11:00KST/TeamLiquid time)!
Remember - no out of thread communications, including PMs are permitted for players who aren't mafia! Follow the voting format specified in the opening post! Unlike in game 1, I will NOT remind players if their votes are not being counted.
Play seriously, play to win and have fun!
##start day##
Note to all of those who are observing this game. Please refrain from posting in this thread until the game is over.
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Awesome story XD
Should we do a random vote for Day 1; or is that too dangerous for a micro game like this? :/
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
In most mafia games played, random votes almost never work out correctly since the odds are against you. In this case, if we voted "randomly" there'd be a straight up 2/9 chance of hitting mafia, which are unfavourable odds in my opinion. Of course, "random" fails to include mafia votes--in a game with two mafia, I'd daresay they'd loathe to vote for one another, not to mention the fact that mafia, knowing each other, can help push the "random" vote onto somebody else. All in all, what does this mean? There's a very small chance that you'd hit a mafia with a "random" lynch, so I'm more for analyzing behavioral posting.
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On March 30 2010 11:49 flamewheel91 wrote: In most mafia games played, random votes almost never work out correctly since the odds are against you. In this case, if we voted "randomly" there'd be a straight up 2/9 chance of hitting mafia, which are unfavourable odds in my opinion. Of course, "random" fails to include mafia votes--in a game with two mafia, I'd daresay they'd loathe to vote for one another, not to mention the fact that mafia, knowing each other, can help push the "random" vote onto somebody else. All in all, what does this mean? There's a very small chance that you'd hit a mafia with a "random" lynch, so I'm more for analyzing behavioral posting.
Sounds more logical; I guess we'll wait until the other players start posting.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
That's my plan. I, for one, will view a player as suspicious if he accuses another player without providing grounded, non-flimsy evidence. Just because you know something doesn't mean we do, and since the only way for non-mafia members to divulge information to the town is through the thread, if you are pro-town, share your suspicions, thoughts, whatever--don't be silent. This game, like most of the other TL mafia ones, does not have a modkill boundary for remaining silent. Really hound on people that only show up to vote, or do not produce content in their posts.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 30 2010 11:43 KF91 wrote: Awesome story XD
Should we do a random vote for Day 1; or is that too dangerous for a micro game like this? :/
If you're going to advocate random killing, you might as well advocate no lynch as well. Although I do believe no lynch hurts the town in this setup (if my counting is correct).
At any rate, we have 48 hours to talk, it's not like we are pressed for time. As flamewheel has stated, there's plenty of opportunities to do behavioral analysis and there's no need to resort to random lynching. Even if we do pick someone to random lynch, I doubt they'll let it go unpunished and we'll probably end up lynching someone else in the ensuing debate.
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Random kills aren't going to make it that's for certain, but don't expect to have a whole lot of info for the first lynch either. Behavioral analysis and voting analysis really starts serisouly day 2 and forth.
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Please be aware a new rule has been added:
Do not make any promises beyond the scope of the current game.
I have always had this rule in mind, but since there was no history of players breaking this rule, I did not want to add even more text to the opening post. However, since an occurrence of this situation has just occurred in TL mafia, I must now explicitly specify this rule.
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To give an example of a violation of this rule:
Everyone is saying Zona is mafia and is about to lynch him. To save himself, he posts, "I promise never to play in TL mafia games again if I turn out not to be town." Everyone thinks to themselves, "Well, Zona loves to play mafia on TL, so he wouldn't lie about that. I guess he really is town," and unvotes him.
This is against the spirit of the game.
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aw, ace isn't playing
how am I supposed to place a random start of day1 vote now
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On March 30 2010 12:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 11:43 KF91 wrote: Awesome story XD
Should we do a random vote for Day 1; or is that too dangerous for a micro game like this? :/ If you're going to advocate random killing, you might as well advocate no lynch as well. Although I do believe no lynch hurts the town in this setup (if my counting is correct). At any rate, we have 48 hours to talk, it's not like we are pressed for time. As flamewheel has stated, there's plenty of opportunities to do behavioral analysis and there's no need to resort to random lynching. Even if we do pick someone to random lynch, I doubt they'll let it go unpunished and we'll probably end up lynching someone else in the ensuing debate.
Voting for no lynch, I believe, hurts the town more than it does to randomly lynch, since the town has no way of method of killing at night due to the nature of the setup. Think about it this way, at least with a random lynch, the town has the ability to force somebody to defend themselves. If we were to randomly select to lynch the medic or detective, it would force them to pay attention and defend themselves. And if it's even just a townie, they'd be forced into activity since the general "random lynch" is to choose an inactive. Common knowledge speaking, it's very anti-town to have lurkers in forum mafia, since they essentially act as a buffer for mafia. And agreed with Foolishness--if there is a random lynch, there will be more posts involved, which leads to more chances for the town to analyze, and more chances for the mafia to slip up. Finally, if you don't lynch, you get no new information--bad for town.
In conclusion, while we should eschew from making a random lynch day 1 (and any other day thereafter) I believe it to be more detrimental to the town if no lynch is to be made. Since there is no abstaining in this game, the closest thing to doing so would be to vote for no lynch. Therefore, be wary of people that propose to do this, as for the reasons listed above, this is even more harmful than just voting randomly to lynch somebody.
On March 30 2010 12:15 CynanMachae wrote: Random kills aren't going to make it that's for certain, but don't expect to have a whole lot of info for the first lynch either. Behavioral analysis and voting analysis really starts serisouly day 2 and forth. This type of setup never gives much info. We have no clues to work off of, and there are relatively few people. Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. Furthermore, theoretically speaking, not much 'new' information should be divulged from night that was unknown during the day. Mostly speaking, I can see it being some "well this person was X role, why did you vote to lynch him" type of stuff that we should be able to already discern/analyze from the reason said person voted for the lynched during the day. While it is true that the longer a game runs, the more chances there are for any given person to slip up, remember that everybody makes mistakes--not only mafia. While this obviously does not exonerate mafia members from their slip-ups, it means we should still be very careful about how and who we decide to accuse for making mistakes.
On that point, I want to reiterate my stance on viewing votes without any discernible basis as suspicious, potentially "scum-tell."
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On March 30 2010 10:46 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 10:26 L wrote:On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote:On March 30 2010 09:02 Foolishness wrote:On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea. Don't be a pussy, this kid is legit. Lucky Canadian. You don't have to deal with the Erie doctrine. I need to deal with pre-1535 english law because our common law provinces haven't bothered to develop a modern property regime.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
So L, since you're here I'm assuming you won't be bringing your grudge against Bill Murray into this game, yes? + Show Spoiler +Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW.
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On March 30 2010 13:05 flamewheel91 wrote:So L, since you're here I'm assuming you won't be bringing your grudge against Bill Murray into this game, yes? + Show Spoiler +Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW. I'm glad you answered your own question.
Also: way to go on throwing down a wall of text to say that we should look at how people behave in order to do behavior analysis and that voting no lynch is bad.
In other news: the sky is blue and chocolate is delicious.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Incorrect, right now it's black. Amazing things scattering can do, yes? And the deliciousness of chocolate is up to opinion, unless somebody made you the authority on that. In which case, I'm terribly sorry
Petty sniping aside, if we are to follow the old axiom of "obvious statements are obvious" then nothing would be said or done, and there'd just be silent. "Obvious" people need to be called out, "obvious" things need to be clarified [albeit only once]. We've had somebody call for random lynches (should be obvious that we should not?). I gave the "obvious" clarification. The idea of "no lynch" is brought up, which in this case is "obviously" wrong, ergo another "obvious" clarification is needed. Just because you've been around this game for a long time doesn't mean that everybody has, L.
And just to say it now: I've never played a game of mafia with you, but from watching you play the last few games I know you like getting in spats with people, either unintentionally or as a very nice form of trolling. To keep to the spirit of the game, I'm going to refrain from engaging with you on that level and keep things objective. As in, I for one will not be arguing for the lynch of Bill Murray just because I havehad a grudge against him.
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That's a lot of text to say "I think it was warranted".
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Fine then, I think it was warranted. Happy?^^
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Just keepin' the thread readable, dawg.
So lets introduce the only real topic of discussion that day 1 really has: Who do you want to kill?
Since people think I start too many bandwagons, feel free to ruminate on the issue.
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Woah. Game started already! flamewheel, when did you get so wordy? :p
On March 30 2010 12:37 flamewheel91 wrote: Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. I think this strategy is good in theory, but I'm slightly wary over whether it works in practice. We SHOULD be able to spot differences in terms of quality and genuine pro-town content, versus thinly veiled mafia content, in people's posting. But there have been cases where the town misanalysed such behavior (eg. BC in Incog's last game). But then again, the case against BC was built very early on in the game, when basically all BC had posted was his election platform. I guess though as the game goes on differences should be more easy to spot? But for now the best way to catch inconsistencies and get mafia to slip up is for everyone to post post post! (but not spam plz, *cough BM* jk kthx.)
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On March 30 2010 14:17 madnessman wrote:Woah. Game started already! flamewheel, when did you get so wordy? :p Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 12:37 flamewheel91 wrote: Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. I think this strategy is good in theory, but I'm slightly wary over whether it works in practice. We SHOULD be able to spot differences in terms of quality and genuine pro-town content, versus thinly veiled mafia content, in people's posting. But there have been cases where the town misanalysed such behavior (eg. BC in Incog's last game). But then again, the case against BC was built very early on in the game, when basically all BC had posted was his election platform. I guess though as the game goes on differences should be more easy to spot? But for now the best way to catch inconsistencies and get mafia to slip up is for everyone to post post post! (but not spam plz, *cough BM* jk kthx.)
Ever since the last game I played was also my first (on forum). I've been frequenting a lot of different mafia sites since then.
@L: As consistent with RoL's games, he's now been here (spammed twice) and not produced anything of content. While this is still early in the game, I want him to step into the light and start talking eventually once everybody else does. Just want him to be present and accounted for. Not to say I want to kill him, but I do want him to talk, since he does produce content (once in a while) on top of "oh haiz(s)."
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
EBWOP: Once, sorry. The other time was right before game started.
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lol wtf? I am already getting raped for inactivity? You guys are crazy.
I dunno if there is much to post for the first day so ima just say it.
##Vote Flamewheel91##
LETS GET THE DRAMA STARTED.
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Oh also, I have work in around an hour, so I won't be active until tonight~~
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##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all.
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Actually, I change my mind.
##Vote L##
You are a pain in the ass to read, and I'd rather you be dead.
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On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all.
Actually, in the last game I was town... Ace's game... I didn't post nearly as much as I normally do. I am in 4 mafia games currently, college, have a girlfriend, and sleep all day. If you all give me reason to, I will post huge walls of text like I have been trying to recently. I will scumhunt if not scumhunted myself, in which case I will use an AtE instead of returning the FoS. Sure, that may be considered a scumtell, but it is my style of play when I am pro-town. It is what I would want someone to do for me, as I feel like if the scum try this style of play it will appear to be fake and they will not be able to carry forth the energy required to pull it off if it is the case.
L, who would you like to see lynched this game? vivi, why the vote for me? you can't blame inactivity, the game just started! flamewheel, what should be some general rules of etiquette the town should follow in your opinion? take into consideration things like roleclaiming, when they should happen (if at all), or gives some general advice, in your opinion, of what someone should do to successfully scumhunt.
I am going to be active, though, don't get me wrong! I just got my role PM. I hadn't realized this had started. I am not going to vote seriously yet, but I'll throw one around just for shits and giggles.
##Vote: KF##
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Why the vote for me? Or is it just a "random" vote? >_>
I think I will still wait a little bit longer and see what everyone else says until I cast my vote.
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L, who would you like to see lynched this game? Not yet bro. People think I argue too well and then just blindly follow me, so in an effort to fix that I'm going to let other people talk before chiming in.
Also: I'll be writing using very concise phrases because that makes reading easier.
Foolishness Cynan and madnessman have yet to really drop by and say hello. I hope they show up to the party before the punch bowl gets spiked and we have people dancing on tables.
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On March 31 2010 06:24 L wrote: Not yet bro. People think I argue too well and then just blindly follow me, so in an effort to fix that I'm going to let other people talk before chiming in. Also: I'll be writing using very concise phrases because that makes reading easier. Foolishness Cynan and madnessman have yet to really drop by and say hello. I hope they show up to the party before the punch bowl gets spiked and we have people dancing on tables.
On March 30 2010 14:17 madnessman wrote:Woah. Game started already! flamewheel, when did you get so wordy? :p Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 12:37 flamewheel91 wrote: Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. I think this strategy is good in theory, but I'm slightly wary over whether it works in practice. We SHOULD be able to spot differences in terms of quality and genuine pro-town content, versus thinly veiled mafia content, in people's posting. But there have been cases where the town misanalysed such behavior (eg. BC in Incog's last game). But then again, the case against BC was built very early on in the game, when basically all BC had posted was his election platform. I guess though as the game goes on differences should be more easy to spot? But for now the best way to catch inconsistencies and get mafia to slip up is for everyone to post post post! (but not spam plz, *cough BM* jk kthx.)
Err. Hi, what's up, hello???
And I'd say that people think that you argue too MUCH. Not too well. There's a difference.
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Given that people seem to worry about me being too persuasive, I'd argue the opposite. Can't have it both ways.
When you decide to come and stop by at the party, feel free to sign the guest register with a comment including who you think we should lynch tonight.
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Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight.
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On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point.
At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though.
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On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets.
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On March 31 2010 05:46 Bill Murray wrote: flamewheel, what should be some general rules of etiquette the town should follow in your opinion? take into consideration things like roleclaiming, when they should happen (if at all), or gives some general advice, in your opinion, of what someone should do to successfully scumhunt. I don't really believe in role claims early in the game, since there's nothing grounding a role claim. If you're a blue role, take an active part in the discussion since too often in TL mafia games are blue roles (especially detectives) silent. If you can bring forth good points of discussion and speak in a persuasively argumentative tone, there's no need to have to role claim to give yourself credence. Later game, the situation may arise where it's worth role claiming, but we'll leave that for when such a situation does arise.
Scumhunting? Don't get in the way of blue roles, since we [should] have them. However, don't rely expressly on them, since then it becomes a guessing game. Don't spam or do anything that would waste town powers, that is to say don't draw investigations because cops think you're mafia, don't beg for protection from the medic, and avoid stupid actions that would get you lynched. Speak when you have suspicions, but don't go overboard with them, and most importantly, look for errors. If you're sure you have something, go at it. If you can nab a mafia member, even if you end up dying later, it's worth trading a towns person for a mafia member.
Oh, and play objectively. Keep your grievances and grudges away from this game, please
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On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets.
+1. Why don't you talk about targets then?
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For my last post: I'm agreeing with L's statement that Foolishness needs to start contributing.
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Foolishness
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On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything".
Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be.
ALL HAIL L THE VET!
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On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! Thanks bro. I still don't see you offering up any opinions, though.
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On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets.
I think it'd be best to target the person that talked the least during this first day. It's not like we can really get any clues during the first day through the posts; since there aren't that much substance to work with. And it's not really helpful to have a player that just votes without sharing some of their thoughts. So I think I'll wait until tomorrow afternoon then vote to lynch the person that talked the least (At this moment, it's looking like it will be Cynan...)
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On March 31 2010 08:27 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 05:46 Bill Murray wrote: flamewheel, what should be some general rules of etiquette the town should follow in your opinion? take into consideration things like roleclaiming, when they should happen (if at all), or gives some general advice, in your opinion, of what someone should do to successfully scumhunt. I don't really believe in role claims early in the game, since there's nothing grounding a role claim. If you're a blue role, take an active part in the discussion since too often in TL mafia games are blue roles (especially detectives) silent. If you can bring forth good points of discussion and speak in a persuasively argumentative tone, there's no need to have to role claim to give yourself credence. Later game, the situation may arise where it's worth role claiming, but we'll leave that for when such a situation does arise. Scumhunting? Don't get in the way of blue roles, since we [should] have them. However, don't rely expressly on them, since then it becomes a guessing game. Don't spam or do anything that would waste town powers, that is to say don't draw investigations because cops think you're mafia, don't beg for protection from the medic, and avoid stupid actions that would get you lynched. Speak when you have suspicions, but don't go overboard with them, and most importantly, look for errors. If you're sure you have something, go at it. If you can nab a mafia member, even if you end up dying later, it's worth trading a towns person for a mafia member. Oh, and play objectively. Keep your grievances and grudges away from this game, please
haha it kinda sounds like you're indirectly saying "DONT DO ANYTHING STUPID BM"
In a small game such as this, there's no reason why we need to solely rely on blue roles in order to nab the mafia (assuming everyone's active of course). As long as people are around and posting we have the methods to figure out who to lynch, there's no need for plans about getting the blue roles coordinated. In Mini Mafia I, trying to coordinating blue roles ended up wasting a lot of time for us (although that game was severely time limited compared to this). But we still ended up killing mafia based off of who was inactive.
I made those posts before this one because I want L to talk and give his opinions. I don't think his excuses of "everyone bandwagons my random accusation" can hold in such a small game. Right now there's hardly anyone posting and accusations have been made at complete random without any argument. I guess it's good we get started somewhere but I got money saying most of them won't change their vote unless something drastic happens.
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On March 31 2010 08:40 Foolishness wrote: haha it kinda sounds like you're indirectly saying "DONT DO ANYTHING STUPID BM"
Well, in a way I kind of am. As in, let's not let alcohol affect mafia games ^_^
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Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3.
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On March 31 2010 08:33 KF91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. I think it'd be best to target the person that talked the least during this first day. It's not like we can really get any clues during the first day through the posts; since there aren't that much substance to work with. And it's not really helpful to have a player that just votes without sharing some of their thoughts. So I think I'll wait until tomorrow afternoon then vote to lynch the person that talked the least (At this moment, it's looking like it will be Cynan...)
Ironic thing is that you yourself are not that far off from being that person. I'm hoping everyone else posts a bunch before tomorrow afternoon so you end up voting for myself. Then I can laugh.
On March 31 2010 10:09 L wrote: Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3. Good news is I haven't fulfilled my yearly quota of agreeing with statements made by L. C'mon people, townspeople lose from your inactivity.
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On March 31 2010 10:34 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:33 KF91 wrote:On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. I think it'd be best to target the person that talked the least during this first day. It's not like we can really get any clues during the first day through the posts; since there aren't that much substance to work with. And it's not really helpful to have a player that just votes without sharing some of their thoughts. So I think I'll wait until tomorrow afternoon then vote to lynch the person that talked the least (At this moment, it's looking like it will be Cynan...) Ironic thing is that you yourself are not that far off from being that person. I'm hoping everyone else posts a bunch before tomorrow afternoon so you end up voting for myself. Then I can laugh. Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 10:09 L wrote: Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3. Good news is I haven't fulfilled my yearly quota of agreeing with statements made by L. C'mon people, townspeople lose from your inactivity.
Well I was hoping that my post would be an incentive for people to start posting and share their ideas with the rest of the players; but it would be pretty ironic if I had to vote myself for the lynching....
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Lack of activity is indeed a bad thing, but so far there has been really little to talk about.
The one right now that drew my attention the most would be RoL, spamming stuff and "starting drama" as he said.
Also, as someone (Flamewheel?) pointed out, comparing people's behavior with past games is a good part of what we should do; is this game KF91's first on TL?
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Ok nevermind he's on some games back in 2008
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On March 31 2010 11:25 CynanMachae wrote: Lack of activity is indeed a bad thing, but so far there has been really little to talk about.
The one right now that drew my attention the most would be RoL, spamming stuff and "starting drama" as he said.
Also, as someone (Flamewheel?) pointed out, comparing people's behavior with past games is a good part of what we should do; is this game KF91's first on TL? I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT?
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wow, with that much anger from rol, you'd think ace was in the game
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##vote kf##
didn't work first time
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On March 31 2010 11:58 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote kf##
didn't work first time
Still voting to lynch me? May I ask why? :/
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you know what's funny L... we got each other killed day 1 in ace's game and we were trying to help each other! lol
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Uh-oh; I hope I didn't just vote for myself by accidentally quoting you XD
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I'm pretty sure you did
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Anything within quotes (including a vote) is ignored. A program upgrade thanks to the experiences of game 1. I thought I had included that in my draft OP, but it seems to not be in the OP I posted. OP updated.
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it's not that serious, and i am voting for you because i grow to know how people act over time. i know you the least, and therefore have the worst read on you. of all the players remaining, i wouldn't mind seeing you get lynched early on solely because of me not knowing how you play.
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by "all the players remaining" i mean "the players in this game that I have played with in previous games". over time in this game, i may begin to look at you in a more favorable light.
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Alright; that's reasonable enough.
By the way, your vote wasn't recognized again by the system again.. :/ So you might wanna try it a third time. XD
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On March 31 2010 12:01 KF91 wrote: Uh-oh; I hope I didn't just vote for myself by accidentally quoting you XD
lol. why would it?
L, i think it's a little unfair for you to dismiss anyone who hasn't proposed a lynch target. so far, there have scarcely been any posts with substance. on what basis am i to decide who to lynch? at this point, it'd be like taking a wild stab at the dark.
this is basically what has gone down thus far:
kf91: proposes random lynching. takes back proposal, says he'll wait for more people to post. repeats that he'll wait for more people to post. defends L. says we ought to target who talks the least.
foolish: argues against kf91's suggestion of random lynching. thinks L's posting warrants his infamous "NOBODY CARES." likes how people are randomly voting. thinks town activity is more important than coordinating blue roles.
L: something about english law. chocolate is delicious. says that he's just too good at arguing, so he should hold back, but the rest of us should all declare who we want to lynch. asks the town to get working please.
cynan: says that there's not enough info for behavioral analysis till day 2.
rol: attempts to start drama to get more info.
flamewheel: wordy posts advising BM not to do anything stupid, L not to bring his grudges into the game, and rest of us townies to analyze peoples' previous mafia behavior.
vivi: is sad that ace isnt playing. is suspicious of bm for drastically different posting style.
bm: is not spamming! appears as though he's trying to turn over a new leaf...or using a different strategy? -.^
i dont know if i want to propose a lynch target so early on in the game. because there's so little to work from, it's very possible that a townie is unintentionally appearing suspicious in his grand total of 1 or 2 posts in this thread. the remedy for this is for everyone to post more; more activity = more opportunity for each of us to prove ourselves to everyone else.
if i absolutely had to choose, i'd say im leaning towards flamewheel. he writes a huge wall of text, saying things that could be concisely said in one sentence. it struck me as though he is trying to make a simple piece of advice/comment sound like a grand strategy, bursting with town-favorable motivations. is he trying too hard to sound pro-town, or just naturally loquacious? things to think about i guess.
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L, i think it's a little unfair for you to dismiss anyone who hasn't proposed a lynch target. so far, there have scarcely been any posts with substance. on what basis am i to decide who to lynch? at this point, it'd be like taking a wild stab at the dark. That's kinda the point. Unless you kids grow some balls and point some fingers there's zero incentive for mafia to stir up discussion; why bother when silence automatically favors them?
I'm not saying you need to go balls to the wall and kamikaze push someone for our lynch, but if you aren't posting rationales for our day 1 lynch, what exactly else are you doing? There's literally nothing else to talk about.
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On March 31 2010 12:42 L wrote:Show nested quote +L, i think it's a little unfair for you to dismiss anyone who hasn't proposed a lynch target. so far, there have scarcely been any posts with substance. on what basis am i to decide who to lynch? at this point, it'd be like taking a wild stab at the dark. That's kinda the point. Unless you kids grow some balls and point some fingers there's zero incentive for mafia to stir up discussion; why bother when silence automatically favors them? I'm not saying you need to go balls to the wall and kamikaze push someone for our lynch, but if you aren't posting rationales for our day 1 lynch, what exactly else are you doing? There's literally nothing else to talk about.
if i absolutely had to choose, i'd say im leaning towards flamewheel. he writes a huge wall of text, saying things that could be concisely said in one sentence. it struck me as though he is trying to make a simple piece of advice/comment sound like a grand strategy, bursting with town-favorable motivations. is he trying too hard to sound pro-town, or just naturally loquacious? things to think about i guess.
did that and done. what i've noticed has warranted (for me) a closer look at flamewheel's posting. but at this point, it's pure speculation; how is flamewheel supposed to defend himself to these crumbles of suspicion that have gathered? "lol i just like to typez a lot "
also from what i can tell you've said nothing to kf, who is basically advocating a "sit back and wait for ppl to post" approach. if you won't, then i will. kf: your strategy, my friend, is detrimental to the town and has got to change.
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I'm not pointing a finger at you. I'm saying people in general need to step it up.
No one's really going to nail a killer argument for why they should or shouldn't be voted for lynch today because its day one. We have very little information in general.
A potential defense, however, could be of the simple variety. Instead of saying you aren't mafia, prove that you're going to contribute to the town.
For instance: "I promise to summarize everyone's positions once per day and make an analysis based on that". Even if the kid is mafia, now we know he'll be held to a certain standard throughout the game and we can see if he's intentionally playing down certain arguments as the game goes on.
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Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
Also, now that bm has joined the party, he's acting like himself again and he's slightly pro town to me. As long as he's posting, there's no reason we should lynch bm day1 because it should be painfully obvious in a day or two if he's mafia based on his posts.
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Alright, I'm back... Actually I've been around for the last hour or so but didn't want to post until I finished my 2000th post >.>
@madnessman: Unfortunately, you said it best yourself. I like to be loquacious. No, nothing I've espoused in my "walls of text" is particularly novel or groundbreaking--I just want to list out the "obvious" (as L would say) things to preface how I am going to play this game.
And I'm glad you've decided to take a closer gander at my posts^^ Makes me happy that people are reading?
I've left KF91 alone for now after the initial "we should vote for a random lynch" because there are enough people hassling him that at this point I don't want to add the proverbial salt to the metaphorical wound >.>
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Hrm also good point Vivi57, though while you can call him out for 'uselessness,' CynanMachae has made one call-out (on RoL) about the 'spamming and starting drama.' However, he did inquire as to whether or not KF91 had played mafia on TL or not before, then proceeds to say that [he had played before in 2008.]
Any findings, CynanMachae? I believe that KF91 played in Mafia 2 (and was mafia), if my search is correct. However, he seems to be acting a bit "new" to the scene. If you don't report on this, I'll go through tomorrow and look for stuff, but as of now it's still very early on to be forming anything based off of that, especially since I've never even seen KF before this game.
As for now, sleep for me. Getting up in 4 hours to watch Flash wipe the floor with Kwanro.
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##vote cynanmachae## I've given up trying to vote on KF91
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On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan. Very nice phrasing of what I said to make me look bad. I'm probably quite far from the best mafia players but I don't think I would be that bad if I were red. I still argue that spamming stuff and randomly voting isn't that much pro-town but that's maybe just not the way I see things.
On March 31 2010 13:58 flamewheel91 wrote: Any findings, CynanMachae? I believe that KF91 played in Mafia 2 (and was mafia), if my search is correct. However, he seems to be acting a bit "new" to the scene. If you don't report on this, I'll go through tomorrow and look for stuff, but as of now it's still very early on to be forming anything based off of that, especially since I've never even seen KF before this game.
Noting to say much really, he played in mafia 1 and 3, was mad hatter with 1 post and then mafia with 4-5 posts that looked like one-liners random chat. So imo acting "new" isn't really an act here either.
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ugh crap. I've just realized that I most likely won't be able to get on tomorrow before the day cycle ends, so i will have to cast my vote now.
i don't have enough of a basis to vote for flamewheel, esp. since IF he is town, the effort he puts into his posts indicate that he will strive to participate and contribute as the game goes on. on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91##
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madnessman with excuse for not being here@scummy behavior.org
trying to blend in on obvious town... I was just waiting for someone to try to jump onto that guy after me, but I didn't expect it to be you, madnessman.
shame on you for falling into my trap . unvote; ##vote madnessman##
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oh yeah, i gotta bold that shit, don't i?
##vote madnessman##
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theres 1 roleblocker and 1 goon right guys?
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On March 31 2010 13:58 flamewheel91 wrote: Any findings, CynanMachae? I believe that KF91 played in Mafia 2 (and was mafia), if my search is correct. However, he seems to be acting a bit "new" to the scene. If you don't report on this, I'll go through tomorrow and look for stuff, but as of now it's still very early on to be forming anything based off of that, especially since I've never even seen KF before this game..
I didn't really participate much during the two Mafia games that I played in before, I was too busy handling two jobs at that point. It's true that I should not have even signed up to play (When I signed up the second time, I thought "I'll try to actually participate in this round.", but no luck because of how busy I was.), but I didn't know that Mafia would be such a time-consuming game at times. So pretty much, you can consider me a "new" player. Plus I only have one job now, so you can expect more posts from me in this game.
i don't have enough of a basis to vote for flamewheel, esp. since IF he is town, the effort he puts into his posts indicate that he will strive to participate and contribute as the game goes on. on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
It's not that I'm not trying to put any effort into my posts; it's just that the town is pretty much facing a lose-lose situation at the start of the game, because we will probably choose to lynch someone on the basis of something really small (because we don't have enough information to work with) and the chances of the town killing a townie is really high. That's why I don't have any more proposals then waiting for people to post, so that we can actually get some information to work with. And to people who say we do have enough substance to work with, I think you guys could be over-analyzing the posts; but that's not for me to say, because most of you guys are Mafia veterans.
I'll be back in the afternoon to cast my vote.
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Second quote was said by madnessman; I messed when I was quoting >_<
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##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker
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On March 31 2010 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote cynanmachae## I've given up trying to vote on KF91 Hi all. I try not to interfere with the game as much as possible, but I would like to point out that earlier I had entered the kf -> kf91 automatic conversion data incorrectly, which caused BM's second vote attempt on kf91 to not be recognized at the time, when it should have been. (His first vote attempt had a colon, so that was not recognized for good reason.)
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Foolishness
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On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker
Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone.
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Well, just got done with the debauchery that was last night's OSL. To keep things concise now:
L, people have been talking now, so if you wouldn't mind joining in now...
Foolishness, despite calls of stirring the town to activity, you really haven't contributed much more than a few back-and-forth snipes with L. Agreeably though, RoL hasn't been 'around' too much (due to work, he says?) so it's a bit questionable that Cynan is voting.
To RebirthOfLegend:
On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? Get posting.
KF91: If everybody followed your plan, nobody would have any proposals. Ergo, you should take a step up instead of waiting in the shadows.
CynanMachae: I'd very much like to hear your expanded reason as to why you're voting RoL, especially since he hasn't been around to present much.
Vivi57: A good post about Cynan, methinks, but I want you to post more, considering the reset of your posts are spammilicious.
Tennis now. Will be back around 6 to see any new developments.
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Alright, it doesn't seem like there was much activity since I posted...
##Vote flamewheel91##
I made the decision to vote flamewheel, mostly because I think his posts are way too wordy. Maybe I'm not searching well enough, but from some of his posts that I have seen in previous games; he has not posted stuff to the extent that he has in this thread.
Nonetheless, I don't think he needs to drag on with what he wants to say; if it can be said in 3-4 sentences, that's how it should be done. It may be that he is trying to cover the fact that he is mafia by whipping out as many sentences as he can to look beneficial to the town, or he actually might be just a townie who is trying his best to help the town out. But in my opinion, I think that the former fits better in this situation.
I will probably be back an hour before Day 1 wraps up just in case I want to change my vote.
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Foolishness
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On April 01 2010 04:14 KF91 wrote: Alright, it doesn't seem like there was much activity since I posted...
##Vote flamewheel91##
I made the decision to vote flamewheel, mostly because I think his posts are way too wordy. Maybe I'm not searching well enough, but from some of his posts that I have seen in previous games; he has not posted stuff to the extent that he has in this thread.
Nonetheless, I don't think he needs to drag on with what he wants to say; if it can be said in 3-4 sentences, that's how it should be done. It may be that he is trying to cover the fact that he is mafia by whipping out as many sentences as he can to look beneficial to the town, or he actually might be just a townie who is trying his best to help the town out. But in my opinion, I think that the former fits better in this situation.
I will probably be back an hour before Day 1 wraps up just in case I want to change my vote.
I do agree his posts are a bit wordy, however given the lack of activity I can't really say it's a problem right now. And it's not like he's doing it to hide posts or cover anything up. Right now with very little information it's hard to vote for him based off of long wordy posts. Besides if he stops being active in future days he'll be held accountable.
L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...".
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On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone.
your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now?
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##Vote CynanMachae## I bet vivi is surprised I didn't "OMGUS" his vote.
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Spoilering my post since it has a wall of text "tl;dr" will be in place instead.
+ Show Spoiler [Addressed to KF91] +On April 01 2010 04:14 KF91 wrote: Alright, it doesn't seem like there was much activity since I posted...
##Vote flamewheel91##
I made the decision to vote flamewheel, mostly because I think his posts are way too wordy. Maybe I'm not searching well enough, but from some of his posts that I have seen in previous games; he has not posted stuff to the extent that he has in this thread.
Nonetheless, I don't think he needs to drag on with what he wants to say; if it can be said in 3-4 sentences, that's how it should be done. It may be that he is trying to cover the fact that he is mafia by whipping out as many sentences as he can to look beneficial to the town, or he actually might be just a townie who is trying his best to help the town out. But in my opinion, I think that the former fits better in this situation.
I will probably be back an hour before Day 1 wraps up just in case I want to change my vote. It's not the search. I've played one, I repeat one game of forum mafia, and that was Incognito's XVI. Between that span I've co-/hosted the rest, so naturally you won't find anything on how I've played since then. From being able to watch everything from behind the scenes, it's helped me in developing a different play style. Consider it verbose, so deal with it. If everybody else were posting more stuff, perhaps I would not feel the need to try to post as much. Finally, the rebuttal: Let's consider it like this: I post X number of sentences in a post, where X is, admittedly, a large number. You post few sentences. However, you say little to nothing in those few sentences, and thus your posts are just as much so or more dribble than mine are. However, the claim you make against me, essentially that I play differently than I did in XVI, while true, can also be used against you. In Mafia II, you were mafia. You posted nothing. In Mafia III, you ask one question about DTs and vote to abstain, then you never showed up again. You were a Mad Hatter. Different playing style, eh? However, I don't condemn you for this, since you've already said you were going to be trying to play more this time (though for II and III you should've at least announced you were going to be working or something...) Point being: while it is a plausible idea, your reasoning behind "he's posting differently this game" is based on a double standard. tl;dr version: This is my second game playing. I changed my play style after observing games. You did the same (changed your style from posting nothing to posting a bit, that is). Accusation faulty based on double standards.
On April 01 2010 04:19 Foolishness wrote: I do agree his posts are a bit wordy, however given the lack of activity I can't really say it's a problem right now. And it's not like he's doing it to hide posts or cover anything up. Right now with very little information it's hard to vote for him based off of long wordy posts. Besides if he stops being active in future days he'll be held accountable.
L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...". These wordy posts are an attempt to stir people into writing. If they want to take shots at me, that's okay, since then they'll at least be posting. I'm glad that I've at least "spurred" madnessman and KF91 into 'action.' Furthermore, I fully intend to be as active as possible in this game, so you can easily hold me accountable by my posting.
Well, the second part of your latter paragraph is the reasoning why I want him to talk. If all the votes by now, when we have about 4 hours left, are "jokes" then it's time for something serious.
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On April 01 2010 04:19 Foolishness wrote: L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...".
alright. then for the sake of getting the ball rolling, let me remedy that.
On March 31 2010 17:38 Bill Murray wrote: madnessman with excuse for not being here@scummy behavior.org
trying to blend in on obvious town... I was just waiting for someone to try to jump onto that guy after me, but I didn't expect it to be you, madnessman.
shame on you for falling into my trap . unvote; ##vote madnessman##
bill murray, i made my post at 4.35am EST, saying that i probably wouldn't be able to get on before voting ended. that's roughly 17 hours before voting ends. is it really so hard to believe that an individual would not have time to post on the mafia forums for 17 hours? i could fully describe to you how hectic my schedule is today, which warrants my being unable to get on, but in all honestly, that's not how mafia should be played--this is not my personal blog. let me assure you that if i were mafia, i would use a MUCH better strategy than my personal life as an excuse. because that's lame and dumb imo. it'd be like saying, "oh! don't vote for me, i am not mafia because i'm trustworthy; i'm even the president of national honor society... i have proof, want my certificate?" etc etc lol. and 17 hours, seriously? that's AT LEAST the amount of time it took before you made your first post.
Zona: March 30 2010 11:40 (am) You: March 31 2010 05:46
(time stamps according to japanese time zone)
ok. let's say i were mafia. why would i want to go inactive, when it would be SO much easier for me just to see what everyone else is posting, and just casually and nondescriptly tack my vote on to somebody's bandwagon? given how inactive this thread is, i could even BE pretty inactive without publicly declaring so, and chances are nobody would even notice, since everyone seems to be--likewise--inactive.
in any case, what kind of bullshit "trap" of yours are you trying to trap me in? it makes completely no sense. let's say i wanted to hop on a random bandwagon, and lynch an innocent townie. why would i hop on your bandwagon AFTER you've changed your vote?
On March 31 2010 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote cynanmachae## I've given up trying to vote on KF91
On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: ##vote KF91##
i can't be jumping on a bandwagon that doesn't even exist.
this exact same thing happened last game, and knowing u bm, u'll probably go, 'oh, feeling scared madnessman?' in response to this post. but honestly, in a game with only 9 people, we need to question everything we know, and take every accusation seriously. and since i don't think i will be able to get on until 11.30pm EST or so, i'd like to defend myself so i don't come back to find myself hanging from the gallows. so take all this as you will. someone needs to start taking all this seriously.
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no, i am just voting randomly seeing how people will react to my votes.
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ok. let's say i were mafia. why would i want to go inactive, when it would be SO much easier for me just to see what everyone else is posting, and just casually and nondescriptly tack my vote on to somebody's bandwagon? given how inactive this thread is, i could even BE pretty inactive without publicly declaring so, and chances are nobody would even notice, since everyone seems to be--likewise--inactive. Really bad WIFOM, especially given that pretty much all of the votes are spread out. Why?
Are townies too afraid to agree, or are they trying to put FoSs everywhere to make someone screw up? Are mafia trying to make their votes blend in as much as possible rather than start a train on someone who will flip innocent?
There are two possible explanations to this: either mafia is content with where votes are and don't really feel like throwing their weight around, or they realize people are fucking around and don't care.
There are two vote 'strings' in play right now:
BM/Vivi voting for
Cynan voting for
RoL voting for L
and
madnessman voting for KF91 voting for
flamewheel
Players who are 2 rungs apart are more likely to be on the same team.
Possible pairings:
flamewheel/madnessman L/Cynan BM or Vivi/RoL
Oddly enough, madnessman made his first post with a very light FoS against flamewheel. I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable.
Other possible pairings involve players who haven't voted yet, so Foolishness/xxx or flamewheel/xxx
Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up.
##vote flamewheel91##
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well, he hasn't messed up yet, and you just said madnessman had a scum tell....
i can also say that i'm clean, but that still leaves vivi/rol in that pairing, which is highly possible in my opinion as both are veteran players. Is it random who is red? If it was, I'd think I'd have been red by now!
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On April 01 2010 04:05 flamewheel91 wrote: CynanMachae: I'd very much like to hear your expanded reason as to why you're voting RoL, especially since he hasn't been around to present much.
Expanded reasons? Really, he hasn't showed up since spamming "hai guys" and voting Flamewheel to "start up drama", and then saying he need information hence he's posting, but just disappears. Aside from FlameWheel nobody else called him up on that.
Also L, you "string" vote reasoning seems useful, but I'm not sure I understand how you can say that most likely teams are 2 strings apart. Why not 3 or 4? Seems to me you can only get some unlikely teams from that. Or maybe I didn't get something.
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@L: Typing up yet another long-ass post.
@Cynan: I'm about to. Sit tight.
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On April 01 2010 07:36 flamewheel91 wrote: @L: Typing up yet another long-ass post.
@Cynan: I'm about to. Sit tight. Make it concise, cutie.
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On April 01 2010 07:32 CynanMachae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 04:05 flamewheel91 wrote: CynanMachae: I'd very much like to hear your expanded reason as to why you're voting RoL, especially since he hasn't been around to present much.
Expanded reasons? Really, he hasn't showed up since spamming "hai guys" and voting Flamewheel to "start up drama", and then saying he need information hence he's posting, but just disappears. Aside from FlameWheel nobody else called him up on that. Also L, you "string" vote reasoning seems useful, but I'm not sure I understand how you can say that most likely teams are 2 strings apart. Why not 3 or 4? Seems to me you can only get some unlikely teams from that. Or maybe I didn't get something. Because if you're mafia, you want to kill the people who think you're mafia. Additionally, given how spread out the votes are, its unlikely that the person seeding the vote will be found responsible for starting a wagon, so its a relatively low risk method of having someone back off from your buds.
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On April 01 2010 07:37 L wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 07:36 flamewheel91 wrote: @L: Typing up yet another long-ass post.
@Cynan: I'm about to. Sit tight. Make it concise, cutie.
I'm tryin', love. It has short truncated paragraphs and everything!
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read the rest of the thread, and have class now. It definitely bothers me that the mafia aren't doing anything meaning they're perfectly happy with where the votes are now. I'll be back in ~90 mins to post more thoughts before night.
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Thank you L, glad to hear what you have to say. Since you are seemingly not actually going with a full accusation against me, I'm going to treat my defense more as a way for me to make my first accusation.
Also, oops I lied this isn't short at all. But it still has some nice white spaces in between crushing walls of text!
First off, to point out something about the "being put on the same team" statement: random number generator. Same "highly improbable" probability as any two people. But moving on from there:
To make sure I have what you're saying correct: If I am to vote for madnessman, that would complete your 'chain' and make me more suspicious, yes?
Oh, and "I know I'm legit," so pair 1 is false as well But that's for me to know, and up for me to prove, yes?
madnessman's first post is, yes, directed at me in the FoS form of "why so wordy?" However, his next accusatory post is also directed at me, again in a heavier FoS form of "why so wordy?" Shortly thereafter, he makes a kind of "oops how does he defend my random speculation post."
Now, let's look at some options, shall we? I will limit it to the 'second voting cycle' as well as assuming there are either 2 mafia in this current 3-person cycle (madnessman and myself) or one solitary person as mafia given the 'two rung theory'. 1) madnessman and I are both mafia! Great! madnessman votes for KF91, who is voting for me, in an attempt to kill KF91 off before he can expose his mafia partner. Wait, why is he accusing me then? Oh, wait, he backs off after claiming he does not have 'enough of a base' to work off of. Awesome, he gets to accuse and vote for KF91 while making the connection between us not so obvious. Could this work? Yes? Can I discount it completely other than say "I'm not mafia?" No, so we'll have to keep going. 2) madnessman is mafia, and KF91 and I are not. Cool! Same reasons for how things run out as above, but he's trying to implicate me as well without fully committing. 3) KF91 is mafia, and madnessman and I are not. madnessman genuinely believes that KF91 is mafia, but doesn't trust me. He votes for KF91 without letting up all suspicion on me. KF91 votes for me because he doesn't like wordiness, though he'll appear before voting ends in order to check things out and reevaluate. 4) I'm mafia! Except for I'm not. Though if I were, I haven't openly accused anybody yet, only light FoS in order to get them to post. I haven't actively hounded neither KF91 nor madnessman. 5) None of us are mafia. Definitely a possibility. But the whole point of the game is to be suspicious, yah?
All fine and dandy. If I were to be the type of person to revenge-accuse, I'd be like "OMG VOTE KF91 HE IS MAFIA." Which would tie into myself and madnessman being on the so-called 'team', eh? And if we were, would I vote for madnessman? Nah, I'd vote for KF91 then. All peachy, yes?
But no.
##Vote RebirthOfLegend##
Reasoning: Very little to, I'd dare say, no content in his posts. + Show Spoiler [RoL's posts] +On March 30 2010 11:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: OMM HERE On March 30 2010 13:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: hai guyz On March 31 2010 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol wtf? I am already getting raped for inactivity? You guys are crazy.
I dunno if there is much to post for the first day so ima just say it.
##Vote Flamewheel91##
LETS GET THE DRAMA STARTED. On March 31 2010 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh also, I have work in around an hour, so I won't be active until tonight~~ On March 31 2010 04:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Actually, I change my mind.
##Vote L##
You are a pain in the ass to read, and I'd rather you be dead. On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 11:25 CynanMachae wrote: Lack of activity is indeed a bad thing, but so far there has been really little to talk about.
The one right now that drew my attention the most would be RoL, spamming stuff and "starting drama" as he said.
Also, as someone (Flamewheel?) pointed out, comparing people's behavior with past games is a good part of what we should do; is this game KF91's first on TL? I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST. At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said. No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town. ALRIGHT? Let's take a look at them, shall we?
-His first post is right after the pms are sent out, and right before the game officially starts. Spam. -His second post is also just-as-worthless flak, after L and I have our first back-and-forth over the wordiness of my posts. Also spam. -His third post is a vote for me, a call for drama to start. Cool. -His fourth post tells us he is going to be at work. Remember, this is yesterday. -His fifth post, a whole 7 minutes later after his first vote, calls for L to die instead because RoL doesn't want to read his stuff. Third and fifth posts? Dribble, useless, jesting votes that spur no worthwhile discussion. FoS on me has nothing to do with what RoL says, and very little is said about L from people other than Foolishness. -His sixth and last post is a call to complain about needing information. At this point, enough has been exchanged in the thread that he at least should be able to say something more than "I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH."
Now, I can assume he's at work again. However, he has contributed next to nothing in the time that he should have had to post, that is, the time "tonight" (last night) in which he only posted a complaint.
Conclusion? While I've heard enough "RoL sucks at contributing in mafia" jokes to take them with a grain of salt, this level of activity and contribution to the game appalls me. While I am not 100% sure with my accusation, he stands out in my mind enough that I do not hesitate to make this my formal call-out against him.
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Expanded thoughts on every other player to be typed up starting now. Will be done in a while because I like typing a lot of shtuff^^
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"Other possible pairings involve players who haven't voted yet, so Foolishness/xxx or flamewheel/xxx"
Flamewheel and CynanMache imo.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Hi Bill,
Glad to see you're taking L's word as your truth. To me, your IMO doesn't matter much without any proof. Just because I don't disagree with Cynan doesn't mean I support him. Give me reasoning, or give me death! (Since without reasoning, death is assured in this game )
Sincerely, flamewheel91
P.S.: I'm so glad you made my name red! It really brings out the fire in me!
P.P.S.: Jocular mode disengaged.
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my reasoning is the fact that you are reiterating a point that someone has already made. buddy-buddy behavior like this could be a tell as there are only two mafia. that is my reasoning.
##vote flamewheel91##
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On March 31 2010 12:00 Bill Murray wrote: you know what's funny L... we got each other killed day 1 in ace's game and we were trying to help each other! lol Kthxbai.
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?? even more suspicious is the way that you're behaving with the FoS on you
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Oh, and if your ?? is really as incredulous as I make it out to be, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy over your "buddy-buddy" call-out.
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you're making absolutely no sense to me. i'm going to keep my vote on you unless something drastic happens.
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What do you mean, Bill. With that last statement, you've lost all credibility. I sat here for 20 minutes waiting for a detailed, well-written post on your thoughts, and instead you give me dribble.
See, saying things like "you're being suspicious" and "you're not making sense" doesn't mean shit to any sensible person without you giving a reason. I'm behaving suspiciously under FoS? Your claim? You should give a reason why, else it's a worthless statement.
I like how you've (ostensibly) been here the whole time, yet after 20 minutes shoot back with that last little gem of yours. Saying "I'm going to keep my vote on you unless..." is a perfect way for you to dodge activity, something the town doesn't want. Are you still randomly throwing your vote on me? Are you actually committed to a target? If you are still being random, you're a cool cat. You've contributed little and accused a lot, though your senseless accusations have drawn defenses. If you've committed, you also are doing a poor job in showing that, with your lack of reason.
So far in this argument you've made one claim against me: I'm being "buddy-buddy" with Cynan. Awesome, that could be scumtell! However, I've shown with my post about you saying you're "helping L" that your reasoning is flawed and hypocritical due to similar conditions, yet you don't see me jumping on you for being mafia do you?
I'll ask you again, nicely, to please explain your reasoning behind your sudden and unabated accusations against me. By dismissing what I'm saying offhand, you not only invalidate your own arguments but also cause yourself to look more untrustworthy.
As a bonus, I've got my first two "analyses" done. Ironically, they are on Bill and Cynan since I'm moving down the page.
Bill Murray: + Show Spoiler +As said before, Bill is playing differently, much differently this game. Admirable, I’d say—experience works wonders. No longer spamming, no longer having a shitfest with L (okay well it was actually more one-sided before with Bill trying to ingratiate himself). In particular, the lack of spamming. What does this mean? I’ve never seen Bill in a game as mafia, so I cannot fathom how he’d post. Is this new style of posting his ‘mafia style’? A general rule of thumb is to post similarly as mafia and townie, since then people can’t pull the “well he’s using a different play style.” Bill’s certainly different, and he’s drawing attention. Is he mafia trying to cover up under the guise of improvement? Is he a townie actively trying to improve I don’t know, but at least he’s stirring discussion what with his “traps” and “random votes.” Oh, he does slightly call out Foolishness, except for I read that as more of a defense for Foolishness than FoS Tacked on since the start of his little call-out on me: see above. If he is being random, while it is conducive to drawing defense, he also doesn't have to present his own ideas, nor does he commit since it's all "random." If he's committed on me (which he says he has), then he is not offering suitable reason. Suspicion up.Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Relatively high, given his different posting style, his ingratiating attitude toward L, and his lack of real contribution besides randomly throwing around votes. Oh, and as I type this he’s accusing me. Wait, so you’re just jumping off what L said? Huh??? Talk about “buddy-buddy” actions… re: see what Versatile says (lol). I'm not convinced enough about Bill in order to vote him at this point (wasn't overly suspicious until his recent actions) but he's getting there.
CynanMachae: + Show Spoiler +Dislikes random kills. Awesome. FoSes on RoL. Awesome as well. Checks up on KF91 to glean information. Awesome x3. Stirs some discussion with the FoS on RoL (I pick up on that, as can be seen above) and draws KF91 more into the light. I’m still suspicious of him though, despite his largely pro-town actions, due to the fact that his contributions to discussion have been minimal. He needs to start talking more and place value into being more active in the town. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Relatively low, given his pro-town actions. Of course, anybody can be ‘pro town,’ but Cynan is not very high on my suspect list.
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you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L##
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@Vivi57: In light of recent events, things may change. Bill Murray has moved up in my suspicion list since I posted my accusation of RoL, who isn't even around to defend.
Typing up the rest of the list.
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Foolishness: + Show Spoiler +Needs to start posting his thoughts. Less negating (NOBODY CARES) needed. Encourages activity but does not contribute. However, this is how Foolishness is… in recent games, he’s been the GF twice (XX and XVIII) and is largely silent in terms of bringing new material to the table. However, this is not a large (25 and 50 men for XX and XVIII, respectively) game, so everybody’s voice matters. He needs to start speaking.Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Moderate. Hasn’t been anti-town yet, but needs to start acting more pro-town. The longer this day goes on without posting, the higher my suspicions become. With only two hours left, this “veteran” player better start opening his mouth. KF91: + Show Spoiler +”New” player. Advocates sitting back and waiting for “more information.” Dislikes wordiness, apparently. Went through his games: in the two games he’s played, he was a mad hatter once and a mafia once. Both times he was virtually inactive, though he gave reasoning behind it and is ‘stepping up’ this game. Needs to start posting ideas of his own, as said by others as well as myself. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Moderate. Anti-town advocacy of “waiting for more information” is perfect for mafia. He doesn’t claim to be “new” to the game, but is reluctant to take an active role in participating. L: + Show Spoiler +Veteran player. Hasn’t posted this much this game due to fearing for his “bandwagons” starting, though I fear he’s started one on me due to his sycophant, Bill Murray, latching on. Had a few back-and-forths with Foolishness. Has started discussion on somebody, myself, and as known talking is good for the town. Very nice, if I may say so, analysis of the voting system. No anti-town actions as of yet. Suspicions? + Show Spoiler +Moderately low. L has done nothing this game that would make me think that he’s mafia other than not posting for the first day in order to ‘give other people a chance.’ Tacked on with Vivi57’s vote: Is it only upon his lack of activity that you are voting him? Personally, I found his ‘cycle’ post to be discussion-engaging and helpful. But then again, why would I be defending L you’re going to vote me instead? Madnessman: + Show Spoiler +FoS on me, but light. Accuses KF91 on the basis of KF91 being anti-town with his sit back and relax strategy. Announces that he won’t be back until later tonight after voting is done. However, gets on to defend himself even after Bill Murray has switched his vote. Gives long defense to Bill Murray’s “random” accusation, and Bill just writes it off nonchalantly. Bad WiFOM argument. Why even include it? Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Moderately high. Gets online after saying that he wouldn’t be able to despite Bill Murray already switching his vote away. Doesn’t post after that (goes back to work?) Bad WiFOM argument in his defense. Accuses KF91 and myself based on relatively weak reasons, and doesn’t follow up on them. RebirthOfLegend I have already posted about.
Vivi57: + Show Spoiler +Semi-random vote for BM based on discrepancy in playing style. Two spam posts lamenting (lol) the lack of Ace. Shifts accusation to Cynan with decent reasoning. Reads the thread after a huge break in posting, doesn’t offer any comments other than voting for L based off his ‘inactivity.’ Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Moderate. Accuses without bringing forth much original material. Large gap in posting, only to vote for L (slightly hypocritical, given that Vivi’s been just as or more so inactive as L).
With 90 minutes to vote, people really need to start talking and thinking straight. I say this both as a way to spur the town on (which I have been trying to do the entirety of this game) and because I am currently the leading lynch candidate. I'm green, and if/once I'm killed off, the town loses both one of its buffer lynches and a major point of discussion sources.
Specifics:
@L: I want to hear your thoughts. You voted me in order to get me to talk/defend/accuse, and I did. I even drew Bill Murray into it. If you're still serious on voting for me, then I want to hear your reasoning. If not, please withdraw onto a more suitable candidate.
@Bill Murray: I STILL want to hear your thoughts. You're around, or should be soon, since you noted that you would change if something drastic were to happen, meaning that you would be monitoring the thread. You've gotten more suspicious in my eyes, and I want to hear some refutations to the soft FoS I've put on you.
@Foolishness: START POSTING. You have to vote, you know, and it'll be very suspicious (at least in my eyes) if you just show up to ninja-vote at the last minute without reason.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Sigh, Bill Murray-style.
Dinner for me. Please, people, I would be very happy to see some posts when I get back...
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On April 01 2010 09:01 flamewheel91 wrote:What do you mean, Bill. With that last statement, you've lost all credibility. I sat here for 20 minutes waiting for a detailed, well-written post on your thoughts, and instead you give me dribble. See, saying things like "you're being suspicious" and "you're not making sense" doesn't mean shit to any sensible person without you giving a reason. I'm behaving suspiciously under FoS? Your claim? You should give a reason why, else it's a worthless statement. I like how you've (ostensibly) been here the whole time, yet after 20 minutes shoot back with that last little gem of yours. Saying "I'm going to keep my vote on you unless..." is a perfect way for you to dodge activity, something the town doesn't want. Are you still randomly throwing your vote on me? Are you actually committed to a target? If you are still being random, you're a cool cat. You've contributed little and accused a lot, though your senseless accusations have drawn defenses. If you've committed, you also are doing a poor job in showing that, with your lack of reason. So far in this argument you've made one claim against me: I'm being "buddy-buddy" with Cynan. Awesome, that could be scumtell! However, I've shown with my post about you saying you're "helping L" that your reasoning is flawed and hypocritical due to similar conditions, yet you don't see me jumping on you for being mafia do you? I'll ask you again, nicely, to please explain your reasoning behind your sudden and unabated accusations against me. By dismissing what I'm saying offhand, you not only invalidate your own arguments but also cause yourself to look more untrustworthy. As a bonus, I've got my first two "analyses" done. Ironically, they are on Bill and Cynan since I'm moving down the page.
Bill Murray: + Show Spoiler +As said before, Bill is playing differently, much differently this game. Admirable, I’d say—experience works wonders. No longer spamming, no longer having a shitfest with L (okay well it was actually more one-sided before with Bill trying to ingratiate himself). In particular, the lack of spamming. What does this mean? I’ve never seen Bill in a game as mafia, so I cannot fathom how he’d post. Is this new style of posting his ‘mafia style’? A general rule of thumb is to post similarly as mafia and townie, since then people can’t pull the “well he’s using a different play style.” Bill’s certainly different, and he’s drawing attention. Is he mafia trying to cover up under the guise of improvement? Is he a townie actively trying to improve I don’t know, but at least he’s stirring discussion what with his “traps” and “random votes.” Oh, he does slightly call out Foolishness, except for I read that as more of a defense for Foolishness than FoS Tacked on since the start of his little call-out on me: see above. If he is being random, while it is conducive to drawing defense, he also doesn't have to present his own ideas, nor does he commit since it's all "random." If he's committed on me (which he says he has), then he is not offering suitable reason. Suspicion up.Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Relatively high, given his different posting style, his ingratiating attitude toward L, and his lack of real contribution besides randomly throwing around votes. Oh, and as I type this he’s accusing me. Wait, so you’re just jumping off what L said? Huh??? Talk about “buddy-buddy” actions… re: see what Versatile says (lol). I'm not convinced enough about Bill in order to vote him at this point (wasn't overly suspicious until his recent actions) but he's getting there. CynanMachae: + Show Spoiler +Dislikes random kills. Awesome. FoSes on RoL. Awesome as well. Checks up on KF91 to glean information. Awesome x3. Stirs some discussion with the FoS on RoL (I pick up on that, as can be seen above) and draws KF91 more into the light. I’m still suspicious of him though, despite his largely pro-town actions, due to the fact that his contributions to discussion have been minimal. He needs to start talking more and place value into being more active in the town. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler +Relatively low, given his pro-town actions. Of course, anybody can be ‘pro town,’ but Cynan is not very high on my suspect list.
your whole reason for putting FoS on me is OMGUS style like you're going to vote for me because I did it to you. that is a scumtell.
No. It wasn't a defense of Foolishness at all, it was showing that he is playing differently and was FoS, though he's playing differently from when he was red, so I guess that's a good thing for him? I just want him to explain his actions.
I am also not randomly switching votes around. I really believe you might be red. You ask for justification, and i'll give it to you. Of all the people I have put FoS on (nearly everyone), you have squirmed the most. Bravo, considering madnessman was pretty squirmy himself.
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Foolishness
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On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now? It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it.
As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend.
Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them.
The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word.
In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting.
Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play.
Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day.
##Vote RebirthOfLegend##
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Meh, two new comments. At least one of them is from Foolishness^^
Dealing with Bill: Squirming involves flailing, and that's what you have done, not me. I've countered your arguments in a methodical and logical manner, and you have (until now) refrained from returning the riposte.
So glad you couldn't have posted this the first time instead of looking for an obvious way out.
I'm also so glad you can float around your new terms such as FoS, AtE, and OMGUS (oh look at how good Bill is now!) but you see here, I haven't voted for you. That's the key thing here, eh? Furthermore, an OMGUS attack is exactly what you're doing against me. While I argue with logic and reason, you just write off what I try to say, and just now are responding.
Please note that I said you were calling out Foolishness and that I read that as a defense. Nice try twisting my words though.
Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it.
@Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia.
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i don't care if you put FoS on me. you care that i put FoS on you. THAT is squirming. You're wrong. i'm not OMGUS attacking you. you would have had to have voted for me or put FoS on me first, which you didn't. I can't help it you appear so scummy this game compared to your previous games, i'm sorry that this is the case, but i'm still going to vote for you.
keep squirming.
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If you die and flip green, noone will give me shit over anything, as 1) you aren't going to be green; you're scum. 2) if by some low chance you are green, we will realize how scummy you were acting in comparison to your previous play.
that's why we need to lynch you, flamewheel.
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Wow, that's a lot of posts (Compared to what people were posting yesterday) that were posted while I was gone...
On April 01 2010 06:54 flamewheel91 wrote: tl;dr version: This is my second game playing. I changed my play style after observing games. You did the same (changed your style from posting nothing to posting a bit, that is). Accusation faulty based on double standards.
Honestly, I have no problem reading your long posts or long posts in general. And the cross-examination with your previous games had very little influence, or even no influence at all when I made my voting decision.
All that I stated was that your posts were needlessly long. The paragraphs could have been summed up in a couple of sentences (Except the recent ones you have posted with all your analysis; those provided some good information, I'm not going to lie.)
Anyways, onto what has been happening and my thoughts...
Where did L get this "string" theory? And like Cynan has stated, why does it only have to be 2 rungs apart? They could be 3 or 4 apart, or maybe one of the Mafia could be voting for their partner (Although that would put them in a VERY dangerous situation). And if L votes for madnessman, wouldn't that give us almost any combination of pairs that are participating in this match?
This "string" theory could have been just made up to give an excuse to vote for flamewheel, which I think is highly probable by the observation of his posting style. I would be changing my vote right now to lynch L, but I think what BM said is true:
On April 01 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am also not randomly switching votes around. I really believe you might be red. You ask for justification, and i'll give it to you. Of all the people I have put FoS on (nearly everyone), you have squirmed the most. Bravo, considering madnessman was pretty squirmy himself.
This along with what Foolishness wrote in response to my vote towards you:
On April 01 2010 04:19 Foolishness wrote: L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...".
I think you are being way too reactive of L's vote towards you, along with how you react towards BM. I don't know if you and BM had some clashes in past mafia games, but I don't think that matters at this point.
I will not be changing my vote.
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On April 01 2010 10:23 Bill Murray wrote: i don't care if you put FoS on me. you care that i put FoS on you. THAT is squirming. You're wrong. i'm not OMGUS attacking you. you would have had to have voted for me or put FoS on me first, which you didn't. I can't help it you appear so scummy this game compared to your previous games, i'm sorry that this is the case, but i'm still going to vote for you.
keep squirming.
As mentioned many times already, what previous games? I've played one game on TL. So all your talk of "previous games" is negated with that, and because I've given you an explicit reason. You, however, have played multiple games here and have been a very shitty poster in this games. You've shaped up now, eh?
"I can't help if you appear so scummyless ignorant but still very much so this game compared to your previous game[b]s (s correctly on there this time)."
On April 01 2010 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: If you die and flip green, noone will give me shit over anything, as 1) you aren't going to be green; you're scum. 2) if by some low chance you are green, we will realize how scummy you were acting in comparison to your previous play.
that's why we need to lynch you, flamewheel.
Stop spouting hypocrisy Bill! It's not as if you're acting the same... oh wait! Tell me, how is my play "scummy?" Let's not have you write this off either. And the "low chance" you're talking about is 5/9. I'm so glad you've evolved into such a great mafia player that you can discern who mafia are with their incredibly scummy play! Be ready in half an hour to realize that you still don't have a clue, Bill.[/s]
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On April 01 2010 10:30 KF91 wrote:Wow, that's a lot of posts (Compared to what people were posting yesterday) that were posted while I was gone... Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 06:54 flamewheel91 wrote: tl;dr version: This is my second game playing. I changed my play style after observing games. You did the same (changed your style from posting nothing to posting a bit, that is). Accusation faulty based on double standards. Honestly, I have no problem reading your long posts or long posts in general. And the cross-examination with your previous games had very little influence, or even no influence at all when I made my voting decision. All that I stated was that your posts were needlessly long. The paragraphs could have been summed up in a couple of sentences (Except the recent ones you have posted with all your analysis; those provided some good information, I'm not going to lie.) Anyways, onto what has been happening and my thoughts... Where did L get this "string" theory? And like Cynan has stated, why does it only have to be 2 rungs apart? They could be 3 or 4 apart, or maybe one of the Mafia could be voting for their partner (Although that would put them in a VERY dangerous situation). And if L votes for madnessman, wouldn't that give us almost any combination of pairs that are participating in this match? This "string" theory could have been just made up to give an excuse to vote for flamewheel, which I think is highly probable by the observation of his posting style. I would be changing my vote right now to lynch L, but I think what BM said is true: Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am also not randomly switching votes around. I really believe you might be red. You ask for justification, and i'll give it to you. Of all the people I have put FoS on (nearly everyone), you have squirmed the most. Bravo, considering madnessman was pretty squirmy himself.
This along with what Foolishness wrote in response to my vote towards you: Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 04:19 Foolishness wrote: L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...". I think you are being way too reactive of L's vote towards you, along with how you react towards BM. I don't know if you and BM had some clashes in past mafia games, but I don't think that matters at this point. I will not be changing my vote. One game. Stop using the plurality, since that makes you so obviously wrong.
I react so explicitly because he wants me to talk. This town is silent, and somebody needs to be generating discussion. Turns out it was me, which is perfectly fine. If the best you can come up with is "long posts and is over reactive," so be it.
If you were so dedicated to your vote, you'd go look at it. Bill Murray died the first night due to terrible posting in the one game I've played with him, and I don't believe I corresponded with him at all. You too, should be ready to own up if/when I die and flip green.
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On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it.
Who will we getting shit from? The rest of the town? And how about L? He casted a vote for you as well.
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On April 01 2010 07:14 L wrote: Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up.
Bolding by me. L should be posting more in this game eventually if he's town and see's that it's dead. He also hasn't been around (posted) to offer any new revelations he may have in light of events since his vote.
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Wow L, so glad to see you came back throughout this extended period to see what new had happened.
Alright, green townie dead. With this, L's suspicion level should jump: he placed the vote to spur discussion, yet never came back to read it, even though he knew there was going to be a defense waiting. Bill Murray is also suspicious, both because he enjoys tagging along with L (in trying to stay away from his bad side again) and with his relentless pushing. KF91 just seems like a bandwagoning townie, but not that great of a player.
Remember: confirmed (dead) townie here. Go back and read posts. Good luck, town, but seeing as you're so inactive...
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im not trying to stay away from his bad side, i am respectful of how many mafia he nabbed in mafia XX when he picked up on their voting of abenson. it was a really good job by him, and i believe that he is usually right on the money with his accusations whether or not he goes through with them is based on how the people react.
you want me to take my vote off you? explain why I should vote for RoL and i'll consider it.
When's the deadline?
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On April 01 2010 11:02 Bill Murray wrote: im not trying to stay away from his bad side, i am respectful of how many mafia he nabbed in mafia XX when he picked up on their voting of abenson. it was a really good job by him, and i believe that he is usually right on the money with his accusations whether or not he goes through with them is based on how the people react.
you want me to take my vote off you? explain why I should vote for RoL and i'll consider it.
When's the deadline?
4 minutes ago.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
The deadline was two minutes ago. So nice of you to read the Fiirst day post, and so kind of you to offer another suggestion after it. My reasoning for RoL has already been said and said again by Foolishness.
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EBWOP: 4. I'm not sure what Zona's take on this is, but I will edit out the posts if it turns out I'm not allowed to post them before I'm "officially" dead.
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Micropolis: End of Day 1
The crew of the colony ship landed on the planet and setup the main pod, bringing the oxygen and water generators online. They were all in high spirits, as the start of the mission was a success, but also methodically carried out their plan to vote one among them to kill at the end of each day. Eventually, the majority of the town elected to send flamewheel91 out the airlock. The remaining crew clustered around the sensor screens and watched as he was ejected from the colony, his body quickly exploding in the darkness. But one of them shouted...no sign of mindworms appeared on the screen. They looked at each other uneasily as the rest of them caught on to the situation. The coming night would be a fearsome one.
flamewheel91 the townie has been lynched. 6 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP!
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
0 votes for bill murray:
vivi57
0 votes for cynanmachae:
vivi57
bill murray
bill murray
3 votes for flamewheel91 (first):
rebirthoflegend kf91 l bill murray
1 vote for kf91:
bill murray madnessman
2 votes for l: rebirthoflegend vivi57
0 votes for madnessman:
bill murray
3 votes for rebirthoflegend: cynanmachae flamewheel91 foolishness
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes: bill murray: ##Vote: KF##
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Foolishness
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On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: @Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia.
The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts (even if they're bad). RoL has hardly said a thing, and we can't hold him accountable. If we want to kill Cynan tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be around to talk about it, RoL isn't a sure thing.
That being said, the same thing can be said about flamewheel. Given the inactivity of this town, we need to get the mafia out of hiding. Killing off our most active poster (maybe?) is a terrible idea, as if he flips green mafia is still going to sit in the shadows (granted if he's actually mafia we got a whole new set of information but is it really worth it?). If you are still suspicious of flamewheel, bring up arguments against him tomorrow. He's going to respond, cause if he doesn't he knows he will die. More chances he's going to mess something up. However this same thing doesn't work on inactive players, which is why we can't kill flamewheel yet.
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On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now? It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend##
I would dare to say I am generally one of the most active posters. However at this point in the game I don't think there is anything to say.
I would appreciate it if you didn't pretend to understand my playstyle. That game I just went with not being noticed. I was legit inactive for around two days then never posted again because I wasn't under suspicion. I have been mafia many times before. I generally am very active regardless.
I have nothing to say at the moment. I could go ahead and vote Flamewheel to kill him, but I won't. I will let you see how bad your reading skills are if I actually die. At this point I think his votes were in before mine anyway. I have expected to be lynched today just because of how I have been posting, meaning not at all.
To be honest, I haven't even read the threat yet. I plan on reading it after this lynch and picking out my suspects since doing anything productive on Day 1 is hard.
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can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day.
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@RebirthOfLeGenD lol (Trolling mode off)
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On April 01 2010 11:19 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: @Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia.
The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts (even if they're bad). RoL has hardly said a thing, and we can't hold him accountable. If we want to kill Cynan tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be around to talk about it, RoL isn't a sure thing. That being said, the same thing can be said about flamewheel. Given the inactivity of this town, we need to get the mafia out of hiding. Killing off our most active poster (maybe?) is a terrible idea, as if he flips green mafia is still going to sit in the shadows (granted if he's actually mafia we got a whole new set of information but is it really worth it?). If you are still suspicious of flamewheel, bring up arguments against him tomorrow. He's going to respond, cause if he doesn't he knows he will die. More chances he's going to mess something up. However this same thing doesn't work on inactive players, which is why we can't kill flamewheel yet. I won't remain inactive. I have been trying to play some starcraft and spend time with my gf, and that has made me a little busy lately. Plus I don't plan on obsessing on Day One when I personally see not much to work with. Although 9 pages before the first lynch is a lot. Tomorrow I have work 10-3:30 then I am going to be home chilling and reading mafia.
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I just got back from a friend's birthday party. Didn't think I'd be there so late, but that's that. Mario kart and indian food mix very well. Check my post times on the site; I was online and posting between 3 and 7pm EST ish while I was in my school library, then left for the party which started at 7:30.
I find it kinda interesting that I put my vote on someone really late to avoid people wagoning based purely on me voting, and specifically say that its just there to get reactions, but then bill murray goes off the rails in his crazy train and switches his vote target a sixth time. Prior, he/vivi had been trying to kill cynan, and then both drop cynan as a target and vote for flame/me.
Vivi's vote in particular is interesting; Instead of voting against RoL to stop the result of the 'bandwagon' that I specifically took pains not to start, he votes against me. Not only does he vote vote against me, but he doesn't bother trying to convince anyone of flame's innocence.
Between vivi and bill murray, the two switched votes approximately 10 times. That bill would push so hard for someone's lynch is completely different from his town behavior, but his style has been changing rapidly over the past few games. Vivi, by contrast, is just stupid, so I can't tell if his hypocritical condemnation is genuine or intentionally misleading.
If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. Mafia would have adored the opportunity to seem as if they were swinging a vote away from a townie if there was no risk that they would cast the deciding vote or that they would be setting up their ally to die.
Sorry bout' bein' away, but them's the breaks.
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On April 01 2010 13:21 flamewheel91 wrote: I forgive you L <3 I feel bad now <3
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On April 01 2010 07:14 L wrote:Show nested quote +ok. let's say i were mafia. why would i want to go inactive, when it would be SO much easier for me just to see what everyone else is posting, and just casually and nondescriptly tack my vote on to somebody's bandwagon? given how inactive this thread is, i could even BE pretty inactive without publicly declaring so, and chances are nobody would even notice, since everyone seems to be--likewise--inactive. Really bad WIFOM, especially given that pretty much all of the votes are spread out. Why? Are townies too afraid to agree, or are they trying to put FoSs everywhere to make someone screw up? Are mafia trying to make their votes blend in as much as possible rather than start a train on someone who will flip innocent? There are two possible explanations to this: either mafia is content with where votes are and don't really feel like throwing their weight around, or they realize people are fucking around and don't care. There are two vote 'strings' in play right now: BM/Vivi voting for Cynan voting for RoL voting for L and madnessman voting for KF91 voting for flamewheel Players who are 2 rungs apart are more likely to be on the same team. Possible pairings: flamewheel/madnessman L/Cynan BM or Vivi/RoL Oddly enough, madnessman made his first post with a very light FoS against flamewheel. I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable. Other possible pairings involve players who haven't voted yet, so Foolishness/xxx or flamewheel/xxx Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up. ##vote flamewheel91##
Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk. I just wanted to say that if I were mafia, I wouldn't stoop so low as to use fake irl shit as a cover-up, especially when I could get away with not declaring my absence, since I've posted more than other members in this game, and have advocated ppl to be more active -_-. idk man... i'd say i've been one of the more active posters this game... just seems counterproductive to post a fair amount and then make up a reason to go fake afk.
The thing about you L is that I always begin each mafia game with like, maybe if he's also town aligned i'll be able to work with him and hunt mafia!... but then no matter whether you are red or blue, I always ultimately think u have suspicious behavior.
Why?
You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel. so..thanks for the flattery, but i'm honestly not that perceptive, nor can i predict the future. and then you basically dismiss the other 2 pairs by saying: I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable.
what kind of argument is that? isn't it done RANDOMLY? i can just as easily go, 'well i know im legit, so it must be you/cynan.' and how can you so easily dismiss bm/rol and vivi/rol from being mafia with a grand sweep of your hand...unless u know something i don't? -_^
in response to what flamewheel posting this:
Announces that he won’t be back until later tonight after voting is done. However, gets on to defend himself even after Bill Murray has switched his vote. i'm disappointed. he of all should people should know i play it safe whenever there's the slightest chance i'm going to get modkilled. last game i pm'd flamewheel SEVERAL times being like, 'flamewheel, i MIGHT not be able to get on, so here are my votes if i am unable' etc etc. i find it disrespectful to the host and other players. and in a game of 9 players, where my getting modkilled off would immediately transform the mafia to town ratio from 2/7 (28.6%) to 2/5 (40%) (both me and flamewheel dying), which is a DAMN big jump, it would just suck. so forgive me for saying that i MOST likely wouldn't be able to get on, as i would rather vote early and prevent myself from getting modkilled, as opposed to being very frazzled and forcing myself to make time to vote when i don't.
i voted for kf91 for what i thought was not GREAT but an educated enough guess given the info we had. it's time the rest of you explain your votes thoroughly, esp. those who voted for flamewheel...
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What does WIFOM and FoS mean?
WIFOM is the notion of a potential psychological game. Read the google link on epic mafia. It explains it well.
FoS is finger of suspicion. Its basically saying I think someone is suspicious without directly calling them out, but is usually used when referencing a second most likely mafia candidate.
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Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk. WIFOM means wine in front of me. An argument that says:
"If i was mafia, I'd never do xyz, and I did xyz, so i'm not mafia!"
Generally seen as a scummy, poor argument; the strength of the above claim itself is the counter-argument; mafia love doing things that make them not look like mafia.
FOS means FINGER OF SUSPICION. basically means "i'm watchin' u lol, but i'm not 100% sure i'ma vote for you yet :3".
You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel. Wasn't really that elaborate, nor would you need to vote in response. Its just a simple spiky defense wherein you have 1 mafia member push to discredit a town member that's on to something for reasons unrelated to his suspicions.
This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it.
The idea behind presenting it when I did was to dissuade mafia members after my vote from voting according to the once removed vote chain, mostly to see what information we'd get regarding you/flamewheel. I didn't want him to die, as per my 'I'll place it here for now' statement, but that's kinda the breaks. 4 people were active in assigning their final votes after mine. None of the votes after my post were directed at a 'new' target or placed on someone who hadn't been voted before.
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alright, with all that said, my thoughts on what has gone down so far:
bm: votes for random people saying that he wants to "see how people react." well buddy, your lovely strategy contributed to the lynching of a random townie. congratulations. i could just as easily say, 'oh bm! u fell into my trap! i cast a pretty well-educated vote, and u called me out on it for no basis whatsoever. scum, i got u!' seriously. oh, and hey bm- what do u think abt L and his party excuse? lulz.
L: could be scum? makes an elaborate argument based off voting patterns which don't make sense, because evidently he didn't look at the voting TIME STAMPS? lol. also is quick to dismiss certain players of being mafia because it is "improbable." proceeds to voice light suspicions of the people he readily dismissed earlier. nintendo is fun tho. hope u were playing old school style 64.
kf91: defends himself to my lynch vote by essentially saying that there's no point because no matter what it's already a lose-lose situation for the town. lol. yeah ok. let's all just throw in the towel here and get modkilled. if everyone thought the way u did, this thread would be a blank slate. don't know if this is indicative of scum or if he just genuinely believes no matter what he does, the town wld lynch a townie either way. huh.
vivi: quite inactive fellow. seems pissed at L for starting bandwagons and getting innocents killed.
foolishness: votes for rol based on previous mafia experience with rol, and defends flamewheel from being lynched, saying it would be bad to lynch most active poster. could be sign of an analytical, town-aligned player, or could be--as L suggested--a sign of preemptive mafia strategy. at this point, not enough posts from him to tell.
rol: been inactive thus far, but promises epicness to come. we shall see. (oh, and thanks for the link/explanation.)
cynan: puts pressure on rol. calls L's "string" theory useful but doesn't understand it.
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a man has a right to party
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On April 01 2010 14:36 L wrote:Show nested quote +Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk. WIFOM means wine in front of me. An argument that says: "If i was mafia, I'd never do xyz, and I did xyz, so i'm not mafia!" Generally seen as a scummy, poor argument; the strength of the above claim itself is the counter-argument; mafia love doing things that make them not look like mafia. FOS means FINGER OF SUSPICION. basically means "i'm watchin' u lol, but i'm not 100% sure i'ma vote for you yet :3". Show nested quote +You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel. Wasn't really that elaborate, nor would you need to vote in response. Its just a simple spiky defense wherein you have 1 mafia member push to discredit a town member that's on to something for reasons unrelated to his suspicions. This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it. The idea behind presenting it when I did was to dissuade mafia members after my vote from voting according to the once removed vote chain, mostly to see what information we'd get regarding you/flamewheel. I didn't want him to die, as per my 'I'll place it here for now' statement, but that's kinda the breaks. 4 people were active in assigning their final votes after mine. None of the votes after my post were directed at a 'new' target or placed on someone who hadn't been voted before.
woops. posted after rol's post, but didnt see this. "This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it." But prior to my voting for kf91, he didn't voice ANY suspicions of flamewheel. i dont understand your logic; if ur string theory were true, i'd be wasting my vote on someone who has advocated a sit back out of the action strategy; he's even said he hasnt posted much because it's a lose:lose situation for the town either way. he's no L or bm who'd be more prone to go after somebody and push for their lynch. so yes, i dont really see the logic in your string theory.
anyways, going to bed.
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On April 01 2010 14:47 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 14:36 L wrote:Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk. WIFOM means wine in front of me. An argument that says: "If i was mafia, I'd never do xyz, and I did xyz, so i'm not mafia!" Generally seen as a scummy, poor argument; the strength of the above claim itself is the counter-argument; mafia love doing things that make them not look like mafia. FOS means FINGER OF SUSPICION. basically means "i'm watchin' u lol, but i'm not 100% sure i'ma vote for you yet :3". You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel. Wasn't really that elaborate, nor would you need to vote in response. Its just a simple spiky defense wherein you have 1 mafia member push to discredit a town member that's on to something for reasons unrelated to his suspicions. This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it. The idea behind presenting it when I did was to dissuade mafia members after my vote from voting according to the once removed vote chain, mostly to see what information we'd get regarding you/flamewheel. I didn't want him to die, as per my 'I'll place it here for now' statement, but that's kinda the breaks. 4 people were active in assigning their final votes after mine. None of the votes after my post were directed at a 'new' target or placed on someone who hadn't been voted before. woops. posted after rol's post, but didnt see this. "This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it." But prior to my voting for kf91, he didn't voice ANY suspicions of flamewheel. i dont understand your logic; if ur string theory were true, i'd be wasting my vote on someone who has advocated a sit back out of the action strategy; he's even said he hasnt posted much because it's a lose:lose situation for the town either way. he's no L or bm who'd be more prone to go after somebody and push for their lynch. so yes, i dont really see the logic in your string theory. anyways, going to bed. Nope. Just means you have a reason to crank up in the in-thread shit meter if your initial low risk vote turns out to land on someone that's going after your partner. No point pulling off at that point. Put yourself in mafia shoes and think about who's an optimal vote on day 1. I'll list the 2 criteria:
1- anyone who won't get you called out 2- under the condition that your team isn't going to get lynched.
There's a number of interesting things about the way voting happened that I guess we should discuss tomorrow. I might die tonight so I'll try to drop a post regarding the points that I think are most interesting.
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On April 01 2010 12:55 L wrote: I just got back from a friend's birthday party. Didn't think I'd be there so late, but that's that. Mario kart and indian food mix very well. Check my post times on the site; I was online and posting between 3 and 7pm EST ish while I was in my school library, then left for the party which started at 7:30.
I find it kinda interesting that I put my vote on someone really late to avoid people wagoning based purely on me voting, and specifically say that its just there to get reactions, but then bill murray goes off the rails in his crazy train and switches his vote target a sixth time. Prior, he/vivi had been trying to kill cynan, and then both drop cynan as a target and vote for flame/me.
Vivi's vote in particular is interesting; Instead of voting against RoL to stop the result of the 'bandwagon' that I specifically took pains not to start, he votes against me. Not only does he vote vote against me, but he doesn't bother trying to convince anyone of flame's innocence.
Between vivi and bill murray, the two switched votes approximately 10 times. That bill would push so hard for someone's lynch is completely different from his town behavior, but his style has been changing rapidly over the past few games. Vivi, by contrast, is just stupid, so I can't tell if his hypocritical condemnation is genuine or intentionally misleading.
If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. Mafia would have adored the opportunity to seem as if they were swinging a vote away from a townie if there was no risk that they would cast the deciding vote or that they would be setting up their ally to die.
Sorry bout' bein' away, but them's the breaks.
i'd rather have a bad lynch than no lynch though...
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i don't think RoL is red, so I was faced with either a) killing a green [i figured flamewheel was green about 10 minutes before he died, when he made this post:
On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: Meh, two new comments. At least one of them is from Foolishness^^
Dealing with Bill: Squirming involves flailing, and that's what you have done, not me. I've countered your arguments in a methodical and logical manner, and you have (until now) refrained from returning the riposte.
So glad you couldn't have posted this the first time instead of looking for an obvious way out.
I'm also so glad you can float around your new terms such as FoS, AtE, and OMGUS (oh look at how good Bill is now!) but you see here, I haven't voted for you. That's the key thing here, eh? Furthermore, an OMGUS attack is exactly what you're doing against me. While I argue with logic and reason, you just write off what I try to say, and just now are responding.
Please note that I said you were calling out Foolishness and that I read that as a defense. Nice try twisting my words though.
Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it.
@Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia.
that made me think he might be green, and i actually looked at the vote list, and saw Flamewheel and RoL at 3 votes. I thought of voting for RoL really quickly, but I am not sure if he is mafia or if he is green just like i wasnt sure about flamewheel.
If flamewheel was green, why did I not change my vote, you ask? Simple: I don't want to pull a largely anti-town move with a last second vote swing. I have been notorious for this in the past (in XX), and I want to prove to the town that I am learning from my mistakes.
In retrospect, perhaps I should have done this, as it would make me appear to be pro-town. I don't want to do something obviously that's going to get you all to chastise me for WIFOM though... I'm trying to help my image, and if I appear red, so be it.
L is actually RIGHT again. When he says "that bill would push so hard for someone's lynch is completely different from his town behavior, but his style has been changing rapidly over the past few games."
I found this remarkable. I don't mean to toot anyones horn, but, toot toot. You really are a good character analyst.
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Sucking my dick won't make me suspect you less :3.
Also: people need to post more.
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On April 02 2010 04:18 L wrote: Sucking my dick won't make me suspect you less :3.
Also: people need to post more. You said you were going to do some voting analysis, where is it? Also, you voted to kill our most active player; did you expect there to be activity?
I think for tomorrow the people we need to focus the most on are RoL and CynanMachae. RoL did come to his defense after the accusations brought up by flamewheel and myself, but only after the voting ended (why didn't he defend himself earlier?). Even so, he claimed he's going to be active in the following day in his most recent big post, and that is something we need to hold him accountable for. If he doesn't hold true to his word he needs to go.
CynanMachae posted a bit throughout the first day (real time day) but his activity has thus diminished. He has been the focus of a lot of accusations so far and if he doesn't step up he needs to go as well.
madnessman and L both need to contribute something to this town as so far they haven't said all that much. madnessman did defend himself and did say ahead of time he would be gone day 1 and while he's posted his thoughts about each player he's never specifically said "I think this person is mafia because blah blah". L keeps saying he has interesting things to point out, but has yet to post about them. However he is one of the most active town members right now which is something the town needs especially after lynching flamewheel.
As L said, post more people.
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That's an awfully weird post.
Also, why would I expect there to NOT be activity given that we have more information and there's more things to talk about?
Your statement here:
madnessman and L both need to contribute something to this town as so far they haven't said all that much.
Is very interesting. Did you read this page? MM's going balls deep to paint me red over the course of multiple posts. He puts up a semi-summary of all of the players he's suspicious about. I also said I'm delaying my post because I'd rather not give mafia time to think about who they're going to hit in light of my suspicions.
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And yeah, most people need to post prior to someone getting killed. Well, then again I can see why certain players won't want to post, but they're kinda just putting a target on their face for the night hit if they keep lurking.
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No, but seriously. Get to posting.
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Anyone know when the night post is due?
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On April 02 2010 08:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Anyone know when the night post is due?
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in like 2.5 hours.
be useful now please :3
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On April 01 2010 14:40 madnessman wrote: cynan: puts pressure on rol. calls L's "string" theory useful but doesn't understand it. Again, like Vivi did, you are missquoting what I said. I just said that it seemed usefulful but I needed clarifications on the "2 string apart" thing. So tell me, what's wrong there?
On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: I think for tomorrow the people we need to focus the most on are RoL and CynanMachae. RoL did come to his defense after the accusations brought up by flamewheel and myself, but only after the voting ended (why didn't he defend himself earlier?). Even so, he claimed he's going to be active in the following day in his most recent big post, and that is something we need to hold him accountable for. If he doesn't hold true to his word he needs to go.
CynanMachae posted a bit throughout the first day (real time day) but his activity has thus diminished. He has been the focus of a lot of accusations so far and if he doesn't step up he needs to go as well. I've been the focus on a lot of accusations? Vivi posted one time before disappearing, saying that I was fishy with a post putting out of context what I did, then BM has been randomly voting for me. And then there's you pushing my way but not really saying anything more that would be worthy of suspicion toward me. Yes, my activity diminished since yesterday, but that can be said of 6-7 / 9 of the players, and I've always had an erratic posting schedule during weekdays.
So far I'm towardly shifting toward Vivi moreso than RoL, if RoL really start contributing from next day and Vivi keep being mostly useless, he's gonna be a better target. Aside from his accusation toward me, most of his posts have no content and he threw a random vote at L toward the L, just "distancing" himself from the voting between RoL and Flamewheel that was going on, without really contributing anything to convince people to vote for L or anything.
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On April 02 2010 05:47 L wrote:That's an awfully weird post. Also, why would I expect there to NOT be activity given that we have more information and there's more things to talk about? Your statement here: Show nested quote +madnessman and L both need to contribute something to this town as so far they haven't said all that much. Is very interesting. Did you read this page? MM's going balls deep to paint me red over the course of multiple posts. He puts up a semi-summary of all of the players he's suspicious about. I also said I'm delaying my post because I'd rather not give mafia time to think about who they're going to hit in light of my suspicions.
Lol I wouldn't go so far as to "balls deep."
But look at the facts:
1. You accuse me and flamewheel of being mafia together on the basis that I was voting for KF who's voting for flamewheel, and that I'm trying to distract KF from suspecting flamewheel, which does not work at all due to the order in which we voted, and the fact that KF has been non-confrontational/hasn't really voiced suspicions of anybody yet.
2. You use the illogical argument above to put pressure on flamewheel, thus (unwittingly?) initiating a bandwagon on flamewheel.
3. When I address your argument and how it doesn't make sense, you say "Just means you have a reason to crank up in the in-thread shit meter if your initial low risk vote turns out to land on someone that's going after your partner. No point pulling off at that point." which doesn't really make sense to me.. not sure what you're arguing actually. but it vaguely resembles backpedaling.
3. Flamewheel turns over townie. You claim something along the lines that you did not intend for flamewheel to actually get lynched, but the party you were at ended up being much longer than you expected.
So essentially you made a poor case on flamewheel, which resulted in his getting lynch, and that said you didn't mean for it to happen.
I guess it is believable that you meant to post before the lynch time ended and analyze people who jumped on your bandwagon--seems like something you would do.
I just find it hard to believe you would pressure on flamewheel over an argument that seems so flawed to me; that's why I said that no matter your position, I always find you suspicious because you seem to act the same way regardless and argue in a manner I find difficult to follow. and i dont know if you're doing it on PURPOSE to cause confusion or u genuinely think that way.
@cynan: i didnt mean my summary on you to be insulting or anything, nor am i saying that what you said is "wrong"... just merely stating that u thought L's string theory might have use, but wanted more of an explanation
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lololol i just got kicked out of my house! Time to read i suppose.
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On April 02 2010 11:00 madnessman wrote: @cynan: i didnt mean my summary on you to be insulting or anything, nor am i saying that what you said is "wrong"... just merely stating that u thought L's string theory might have use, but wanted more of an explanation Hm for some reason I thought both quotes were from madnessman... So I think some of what I said didnt make sense lol
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Sorry I'm late a bit.
Micropolis: Start of Day 2:
The silent night was pierced by the sound of a flare gun. All the colonists woke instantly, and scrambled around the main complex - what just happened? Soon enough, they found out - one among them had been killed. In one of the rooms, a figure lay destroyed, ripped apart by the brutal inferno a the flaming flare, still smoldering on his body. Around him lay a strange device: it must have been something of a personal invention, something able to detect brainworm activity in human hosts. Unfortunately, no one else knew how to operate it, and its benefits were now lost forever.
L the detective has been killed during the night. 5 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Day 2 ends in approximately 48 hours, at April 3, 10pm EST (or April 4, 11:00 KST TeamLiquid time)! Votes are now once again being counted!
##start day##
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On April 02 2010 11:42 johnnyspazz wrote: hahahahahahahahaha
On March 30 2010 11:40 Zona wrote: Note to all of those who are observing this game. Please refrain from posting in this thread until the game is over.
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well this sucks rofl reading T_T
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lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now
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Oh boy, the joy.
First, let's start it off like this. ##Vote Foolishness##
I have just read the entire thread and I am ready to bring down rape.
Foolishness, you have literally posted more bullshit then I have. I would like to admit I was wrong, I figured there was nothing to really analyze or do during the first Day, I was completely wrong and for that I am sorry flamewheel. Flamewheel's style was so PAINFULLY town I probably would have voted to kill myself to save him. The guy posted so much stuff that when he actually got shit to work with (meaning lynches and more behavior) that getting a tell on him would of been easier then finding an underage whore in vietnam.
Anyway, enough of that shit. Here is why I am alive.
Foolishness, you posted shit all game and showed up and voted me and tried to transfer ALL the blame onto Flamewheel. Through the entire first day you posted nothing except negative comments, but nothing that actually attacked someone hard. You were trying to draw attention away from yourself. Then when you finally had to vote you vote for me then take a non committing stance with some sort of bullshit cop out of "Well.... if hes green, fucking flamewheel's fault"
Get out of my game with that shit yo. If anyone would like I can post by post pull up all his bullshit, but he has like 9 posts. Feel free to read them all it will take like 5 minutes.
Next order of business. The second highest suspects I have are KF and Billy.
Although for some reason I Can't fucking remember why. So I am going to have to reread my shit and remember why. I got lazy and wrote suspects in a word document and didn't bother writing why. Now I fucking forgot.
Edit: Typo's T_T
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I expected as much.
GL bros
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 02 2010 13:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh boy, the joy.
First, let's start it off like this. ##Vote Foolishness##
I have just read the entire thread and I am ready to bring down rape.
Foolishness, you have literally posted more bullshit then I have. I would like to admit I was wrong, I figured there was nothing to really analyze or do during the first Day, I was completely wrong and for that I am sorry flamewheel. Flamewheel's style was so PAINFULLY town I probably would have voted to kill myself to save him. The guy posted so much stuff that when he actually got shit to work with (meaning lynches and more behavior) that getting a tell on him would of been easier then finding an underage whore in vietnam.
Anyway, enough of that shit. Here is why I am alive.
Foolishness, you posted shit all game and showed up and voted me and tried to transfer ALL the blame onto Flamewheel. Through the entire first day you posted nothing except negative comments, but nothing that actually attacked someone hard. You were trying to draw attention away from yourself. Then when you finally had to vote you vote for me then take a non committing stance with some sort of bullshit cop out of "Well.... if hes green, fucking flamewheel's fault"
Get out of my game with that shit yo. If anyone would like I can post by post pull up all his bullshit, but he has like 9 posts. Feel free to read them all it will take like 5 minutes.
Next order of business. The second highest suspects I have are KF and Billy.
Although for some reason I Can't fucking remember why. So I am going to have to reread my shit and remember why. I got lazy and wrote suspects in a word document and didn't bother writing why. Now I fucking forgot.
Edit: Typo's T_T It seems like you were drunk when you wrote this...
Considering how little you have posted I don't think you can call people out on their bullshit posting relative to yours. I attacked you the first day, I made an accusation based on your previous behavior in games. I posted my thoughts during the night in case I died people would know my thoughts when I turned up clean. That's why I told L to post his stuff in case he died. Now we got to figure out what he meant by the voting is telling a lot instead of knowing it from the get-go.
What's this about blaming flamewheel? When did I say/do anything of this sort? Flamewheel was obvious townie in my eyes, that's why I didn't vote for him. Yeah part of my vote for you was in hopes he wouldn't die, as you said he was clearly town. I even said in my posts that I was voting for you independent of what flamewheel thought. Anyways, how can I even blame flamewheel when you're still alive?
You say I was "taking a non committing stance" and "drawing attention away from myself". Go look at KF's posting. He has done exactly that all game. He has never spoke badly of anyone, and first day he was agreeing with nearly everyone's posts. I'm going to go dig that up for further analysis.
Contrary to that, I attacked you first day. I was taking a committing stance on thinking you were mafia. Now I'm not so sure since you have become more active. And if you stay active, it's not worth killing you anyways since this town is dead. I also committed to the fact that I thought flamewheel was innocent. Turned out I was right.
If you say I did little during the first day, what did you do yourself? You haven't done anything until now, and you didn't even defend yourself when you were about to die first day.
I told you to come out and post more and so far you're living it up. Good for us as the town. We need more people talking about this. I want Cynan to make some legit posts.
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You change your mind, like a girl changes clothes.
On March 31 2010 05:46 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote: KF##
On March 31 2010 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote cynanmachae## I've given up trying to vote on KF91
On March 31 2010 17:38 Bill Murray wrote: unvote; ##vote madnessman##
On April 01 2010 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote CynanMachae## I bet vivi is surprised I didn't "OMGUS" his vote.
On April 01 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote flamewheel91## Yeah, you PMS, like a bitch, I would know. And you overthink, always speak cryptically (not)
On April 01 2010 14:44 Bill Murray wrote: a man has a right to party
On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote: your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha I should know that you're no good for meee
On April 01 2010 14:40 madnessman wrote: my thoughts on what has gone down so far:
bm: votes for random people saying that he wants to "see how people react." well buddy, your lovely strategy contributed to the lynching of a random townie. congratulations.
'Cause you're hot and you're cold. You're yes then you're no
On April 01 2010 06:59 Bill Murray wrote: no, i am just voting randomly seeing how people will react to my votes.
On April 01 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am also not randomly switching votes around.
You're in then you're out You're up then you're down
On April 01 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: (@Flamewheel) I really believe you might be red.
On April 01 2010 15:41 Bill Murray wrote: i figured flamewheel was green about 10 minutes before he died You're wrong when it's right It's black and it's white.
On April 01 2010 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: If you die and flip green, noone will give me shit over anything, as 1) you aren't going to be green; you're scum. 2) if by some low chance you are green, we will realize how scummy you were acting in comparison to your previous play.
that's why we need to lynch you, flamewheel.
On April 01 2010 11:17 Zona wrote: flamewheel91 the townie has been lynched. We fight, we break up
On March 31 2010 17:38 Bill Murray wrote: trying to blend in on obvious town... I was just waiting for someone to try to jump onto that guy after me, but I didn't expect it to be you, madnessman.
shame on you for falling into my trap
On April 01 2010 06:56 madnessman wrote: in any case, what kind of bullshit "trap" of yours are you trying to trap me in? it makes completely no sense. let's say i wanted to hop on a random bandwagon, and lynch an innocent townie. why would i hop on your bandwagon AFTER you've changed your vote?
i can't be jumping on a bandwagon that doesn't even exist.
We kiss, we make up ...alright, that's not happening. i'm stopping now lol.
##Vote Bill Murray##
this is of course not a formal accusation/argument against bill murray. more serious reasoning will be coming later, but right now i can't be bothered given our DT and most active poster just died -_-
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On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now? It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend## http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=All
There goes your "Rebirth of always inactive when he is mafia" point.
You open up in this post copping out blame to flamewheel "ya your getting what you want" like you were hesitant to vote me. Then come out with some analysis that is wrong at best.
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"Yeah, you PMS, like a bitch,"
sorry, when he said this to me, it made me mad. i am editing only because of my language in these posts, as I don't want to hurt his feelings.
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I don't give a fuck if it's a song, either, you watch your mouth
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I should OMGUS vote you, but I think your idiocy is most certainly townie
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post was like "madnessman, don't talk to me that way, i will eat your children"
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i went a little overboard, but i didn't expect someone to mix in ad hom with their argument so blatantly, and being called a bitch shouldn't be involved in a mafia game whatsoever. i shouldn't have to read this about myself. this guy doesn't know me whatsoever. I don't mind him making an argument about me having tons of votes, I feel like that is a weak case, and regardless of whether or not if he's being serious if he did this in front of me in person i would get pretty violent.
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There will be no more warnings. Any edits after this post, for whatever reason, will result in modkills. Preview your post before posting if you think you might regret something you're about to post.
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sorry for that, but that comment got my blood boiling
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if people would refrain from using ad hominem or whatever it's called when you attack someone and call them a stupid pmsing idiot then maybe people wouldnt fight so much
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oh shit. bill murray, im really REALLY sorry; i didn't think you'd take this badly. that was in no way meant to offend you. they're just lyrics from a song that popped up on my shuffle while i was on mafia forums. i'm honestly not trying to attack your personal character. i just thought some parts of the song applied in the sense that in your posting- u change your mind so often, retract statements you said earlier, (eg. "oh, i decided flamewheel was green RIGHT before voting ended"--how convenient) etc etc. and if there were a few lines in the song that didn't fit (notice i didn't quote anything under that line) i left it there because i didn't think you'd take it the wrong way and find it insulting. but you did. so i apologize, please don't be offended, please don't eat my babies... "you pms like a bitch" does NOT reflect how i think about you personally in ANY way. if i do decide to keep my vote on you, i assure you i'll write a proper list of reasons.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 02 2010 22:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:02 Foolishness wrote:On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote:On March 31 2010 23:05 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL##
I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change.
And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now? It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend## http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=AllThere goes your "Rebirth of always inactive when he is mafia" point. You open up in this post copping out blame to flamewheel "ya your getting what you want" like you were hesitant to vote me. Then come out with some analysis that is wrong at best.
My "ya you're getting what you want" at flamewheel was directed at the fact that he was asking me to post analysis and to legitimately vote for someone. It wasn't about believing him or following his lead, I voted for you out of my own accord although I did agree with what he said. And yeah my noting of how you act when you're different roles wasn't a necessary and/or sufficient condition, it's what I noticed based on the games I had played with you.
Besides, at the current rate, you're being active, which, according to my analysis, would most likely mean you're innocent. You promised you'd be more active this game and so far you're delivering, and I got no qualms with that. Town can't afford to lynch any more active players when there are ~3 people being quiet. I want Cynan and Vivi and KF to speak up. And preferably madnessman and BM to stop bickering at each other and post something useful.
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Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now.
The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting.
(This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D)
And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD
Vivi57
+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote: you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote: can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote: lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2.
RebirthOfLeGenD
+ Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
CynanMachae
+ Show Spoiler +He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all.
Foolishness
+ Show Spoiler +The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen.
madnessman
+ Show Spoiler +Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment.
Final Thoughts
+ Show Spoiler +I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote: you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote: can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote: lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. RebirthOfLeGenD + Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. Bill Murray+ Show Spoiler +My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
CynanMachae+ Show Spoiler +He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. Foolishness+ Show Spoiler +The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. madnessman+ Show Spoiler +Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. Final Thoughts+ Show Spoiler +I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time. We got 2 more lynches to get a mafia before we lose. Right now there are 7 people alive with 2 mafia. If we mislynch, there are 4 townies and 2 mafia. Assuming the mafia's night hit goes through, tomorrow there will be 3 townies and 2 mafia. The game won't be over and if the town lynches a mafia they can win the next day if they lynch the right person again. I think this is the situation in Zona's first mafia game.
Obviously this is definitely not a situation we want to be in, but it's not like today's lynch is an all or nothing scenario.
And I am definitely one of the most active posters right now, if not the most active. I tell the town to be more active, and only RoL steps up (and you if you start posting more). I'm not counting madnessman and BM as they aren't doing anything useful just bickering at each other (which by the way is very suspicious as they are cluttering up the thread).
I said I was suspicious of you because if your non-committal posting during the first day. Even now your analysis is kinda non-committal, though I'm glad someone else is trying to help the town.
POST MORE PEOPLE
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Wow a whole day and there isn't one more page. At least, among the less actives, KF91 shared his thoughts, and I will do so now too.
Vivi57
+ Show Spoiler +Quite suspect imo. Maybe he's just playing badly. but so far he hasn't been pro-town at all, voicing random suspecion (the one toward me was a bit better, tho), but his constant agression toward L is just spammy and he hasn't either contributed anything toward other players. The thing is tho, that from past games I saw, he has shown to be doing that quite often. He seems only to show up when under scrutiny.
RebirthOfLeGenD
+ Show Spoiler +I've already said how I was suspicious of RoL, and it still hasn't changed. He said he was be more active but so far his one post against Foolishness is pretty much his only contribution. He also said he suspected KF91 and BM, but didn't bring any reason to that even when saying he was gonna read again to find out why. I also really like KF91's analysis about him and Vivi, that so far both haven't really mentionned the other.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +BM's play is really hard to analyze since he behavior is so erratic and it's been like that for all the game I've played with him so far (his psoting style did get better tho, now it's quite less spammy (but we did get back the old Bill Murray on this page when he got angry at madnessman)) That make me think that the less spammy BM could be some caution coming from being mafia (or told by his teamate) because in the past games it was one of the main reasons he was being voted off. How he reverted to that old posting style under aggression could very well be a sign that he was restraining himself before. Imo it's a bit suspicious but not as much as Vivi or RoL.
KF91
+ Show Spoiler +His last post was useful, and that's good to see some contribution from someone not really active because we don't want mafia hiding among them. I would hold against him his voting toward Flamewheel because it was pretty random after L's post (but then he's been saying it's due to the length of Flamewheel's posts).
I can't say I would suspect him much but he should start posting more.
I really have to leave soon so I'll do the last two quick but will try to have more analysis tomorrow.
Foolishness
+ Show Spoiler +So far, it's maybe due to the fact that he's been pushing at me a lot, but most of his posts were filled with a lot of general thoughts and mostly saying that inactive people should post more and start to contribute while not putting a lot of information himself. He did make that huge post defending himself after RoL voted for him, tho. H'es not really high on my list but I would really need to read most of his posts again tomorrow to form a better analysis.
madnessman
+ Show Spoiler +So far Imo he's been the one contributing the most lately (well, after flamewheel in day 1). Also, he really has been on L's case before L died, so I wouldn't think he would be doing that if mafia were about to kill him. That's useless suspicions thrown around and could come back against him.
Hopefully I can post some more about the last two tommorow.
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Alright. I would really like to clear up what I meant from my earlier post, since you found it really offensive BM (sorry again ). So BM, these were the things that stood out to me about your behavior:
1. You throw around a bunch of random votes, just so that you can "see how people react." Ok. That's understandable--to an extent. But if you look at the thread, you switch your votes so quickly, before people have the chance to respond to you. You initially claimed that your strategy was to put pressure on people to see how they respond, but then don't even wait to see what their response is, before you're putting pressure on somebody else.
2. After L posts his 2 string theory--which you don't question at all and take as solid truth--you vote for flamewheel. Suddenly, you're no longer randomly throwing votes around. Seems like you were doing the exact thing you call me mafia for and accused me of doing. All of a sudden, because L says so, you think flamewheel is GUARANTEED mafia, claiming he has "buddy-buddy" behavior with Cynan. He asks you to explain. (these posts are in order, one right after the other.)
On April 01 2010 08:28 flamewheel91 wrote: Explain, then.
On April 01 2010 08:29 flamewheel91 wrote: Oh, and if your ?? is really as incredulous as I make it out to be, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy over your "buddy-buddy" call-out.
On April 01 2010 08:48 Bill Murray wrote: you're making absolutely no sense to me. i'm going to keep my vote on you unless something drastic happens. You ignore all of his attempts to explain himself, calling it "squirmy." From so little information, you push REALLY hard for his lynch. And then, when he turns up green, you say "oh, actually i realized he was green right before he died" when before, despite all his attempted explanations, you ignored it all, saying "keep squirming."
So as you can see, i REALLY didn't mean to attack your personal character. You're right, I don't know you at all. These were just the things I noticed, and I thought that I would use that song because I wasn't sure if I wanted to write what L would call a "balls to the wall" accusation of you, and the song captured how you kept claiming different things, always seeming to say what was most convenient at that point in time. The lyrics weren't supposed to be 100% literally towards you--I mean, part of the lyrics are "we fight we break up, we kiss, we make up," which are obviously not true as we are most certainly not in a relationship, thank god. (err. this is also not meant to be offensive towards you or anything. just highlighting the preposterous of our being in a relationship. lol. ok im going to stop now.) So I hope you're not still pissed, and we can continue this game with no hard feelings.
Will I be keeping my vote on you? Idk. It's hard to draw conclusions when I could prob count the number of posts some ppl have made on my fingers alone. I don't think you're guaranteed OMG MAFIA, but the way you acted with flamewheel was very suspicious. So atm, it basically boils down to: a) vote for someone whose acted very scummily or b) vote for someone whose been quiet and I have little to no info on. We still have a decent amount of time before lynch votes are due; I just thought I'd throw that vote out there (keeping it somewhat light-hearted, and not a serious U MUST BE MAFIA accusation), to see what would happen and possibly get more info. So yeah, those were my reasons. Sorry if I came off as brash and offensive instead.
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On April 03 2010 09:42 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote: you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote: can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote: lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. RebirthOfLeGenD + Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. Bill Murray+ Show Spoiler +My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
CynanMachae+ Show Spoiler +He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. Foolishness+ Show Spoiler +The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. madnessman+ Show Spoiler +Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. Final Thoughts+ Show Spoiler +I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time. We got 2 more lynches to get a mafia before we lose. Right now there are 7 people alive with 2 mafia. If we mislynch, there are 4 townies and 2 mafia. Assuming the mafia's night hit goes through, tomorrow there will be 3 townies and 2 mafia. The game won't be over and if the town lynches a mafia they can win the next day if they lynch the right person again. I think this is the situation in Zona's first mafia game. Obviously this is definitely not a situation we want to be in, but it's not like today's lynch is an all or nothing scenario. And I am definitely one of the most active posters right now, if not the most active. I tell the town to be more active, and only RoL steps up (and you if you start posting more). I'm not counting madnessman and BM as they aren't doing anything useful just bickering at each other (which by the way is very suspicious as they are cluttering up the thread). I said I was suspicious of you because if your non-committal posting during the first day. Even now your analysis is kinda non-committal, though I'm glad someone else is trying to help the town. POST MORE PEOPLE
You're calling yourself the most active poster right now? LOL.. posting "hay town, why don't you post more" HARDLY counts as contribution. Even though KF91 and Cynan have less posts than you in terms of quantity, each of their most recent posts has more content than your last 2 posts COMBINED. Why don't you practice what you preach?
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lol fuck I feel kind of bad for this, but I am really tired. I will post tomorrow morning. Night guys :/
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On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57+ Show Spoiler +At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute."On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote: you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote: can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote: lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. RebirthOfLeGenD + Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST.
At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said.
No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town.
ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to himThere is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. Bill Murray+ Show Spoiler +My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1)
He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have.
I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him.
So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD
CynanMachae+ Show Spoiler +He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia.
He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green).
He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance.
I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. Foolishness+ Show Spoiler +The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. madnessman+ Show Spoiler +Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. Final Thoughts+ Show Spoiler +I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time.
this guy = MLF or MTF or whatever the fuck that guy's name is IMO
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I believe that Madnessman, RebirthofLegend, and myself are probably town or townie I am moderately suspicious of vivi I am very suspicious of the people who are making lists of people and giving their suspicions of every single individual like we are supposed to care what they think. It just feels like the way I would see some person really deeply into policy, like zona, play if they were mafia. It comes across as very sour and odd to me, and I don't like it. Would you all try to pick one person and go in detail on them next time as opposed to putting FoS so spread around that noone can take you that seriously?
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madnessman, to me, feels like an argumentative townie... he's too scared to do anything stupid to hurt the town, so he is practically abstaining by sitting with his vote on me.
KF91 has been erratic and actively lurking all game, we should definitely lynch this guy and eliminate his scummy behavior.
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You all might say "that's rubbish, he just posted suspicions" but I feel as if they are forced and the usefulness of them is only to put his name in a good light. He is faking it, and I have had the gut feeling to go after him all game, so lets see if I'm right on this one, guys.
You all can say "you've been wrong", but I really haven't. Before flamewheel died, I realized he was green, and asked him how long that we had to change our votes. When I went to change my vote, the post was already overdue.
Trust me until I'm wrong please.
LETS LYNCH KF91
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ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion.
I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now.
going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled.
##vote kf91
I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good.
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I have just reread all of KF's posts and I agree, he is mafia. His analysis also shouts mafia.
At this point I do NOT drop my case against foolishness, I will put it on hold until KF is dead.
##Vote KF##
I think we are going the right way here, KF is using backwards logic when he voted for FlameWheel. He basically voted flamewheel because flamewheel would be the biggest threat later on, he was talking and contributing a lot and activity HURTS the mafia. Yes, Flamewheel was being exceptionally wordy, but that is good. It gives us the town more to work with and the ability to read whats shit when its there. Any fool can see how flamewheel's posts were beneficial to the town.
After that KF continues to not really say anything of substance and just goes with it. Look at his suspect list. It lists me and Vivi as the prime two suspects and gives NO COMMENT on foolishness. Who is obviously my strongest candidate.
I think from a mafia perspective, I am an easy candidate to persecute. I usually post a lot and am very active, this game I haven't really done as much and mafia can easily jump on that. I posted enough nocontent shit to where I can pass for a mafia.
If you look at the first days lynch, It could of just as easily been me, and instead of making up a bunch of reasons to go and off flamewheel I refused to move my vote because I knew that would make me look like a suspect if flamewheel flipped green. I knew this and would of rather died then screw with how the town is thinking. I also think its unlikely that you would be able to get a good wagon going on any mafia member Day 1. They have more influence on what happens and who gets votes since we really have no direction as a town, so they can push and pull at us as they play.
If we take mafia influence on day one into account they are more likely to jump on someones idea to lynch someone who IS NOT mafia and start a wagon from there.
If we look at the Day 1 lynch vote.
3 votes for flamewheel91 (first): [stripe]rebirthoflegend[/stripe] kf91 l bill murray
3 votes for rebirthoflegend: cynanmachae flamewheel91 foolishness
While that doesn't follow directly with what I said, we see the two biggest suspects influencing the vote. The only surprising part is that KF was sort of the first vote on flamewheel.
For everything that happens we need to take the voting into account. I don't think mafia would team up to lynch someone on Day one, but I do think they are both on those lists somewhere and like I said my two big suspects are Foolishness and KF.
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Fuck Zona, sorry. I just edited a bad underline. It was only clarity T_T
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Sheesh. Oh well, whatever. Good thing that a human is still running this game. Next time, the machine will have no mercy.
But the rule will probably be changed too. Probably something along these lines: any edit 5 minutes or later than the original post results in a modkill. Any other edit results in a warning, 3 warnings results in a modkill.
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Ok, at least RoL explained his motives for voting KF which seems fine, but wtf with Vivi and BM. BM's reason for voting KF are "I knew Flamewheel was town so I should know now that KF is red so trust me". Vivi's argument is: "let's not lynch Foolishness but let's lynch kf91 so I don't get modkilled". He pretty much dodged everything that has been said about him too. The fact that the top 3 in my suspicions list earlier are all voting for KF makes me believe that he isn't on the sole fact that I really think one among the 3 is mafia (but in the case all 3 are legit tho, that really would leave Kf mafia tho).
I would really like BM and Vivi to share their reasons more and also madnessman and Foolishness to be back posting on that. That fact that this town is so inactive really mean that the mafia can lead us easy with moves like that.
I'm going to put my vote on vivi right now because I'd really like him to explain himself and he was my top suspect with RoL.
##Vote Vivi57##
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I'm not sure if bold was required but here it is anyway for clarity:
##Vote Vivi57##
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Bold is not required, but it helps. and lol RoL, STOP EDITING! that rule is there so that we can spot when people make freudian slips.
On to business... So wtf happened. I come back and suddenly everybody thinks KF91 is mafia. I'm surprised, because I got a completely different read from his analysis. He's really cautious, somewhat noncommittal in his post. The way he posted that analysis reminds me of my first few posts in my first game of TL mafia--wary, afraid to tread on anybody's toes (I was town in that game). This so far is consistent with what we know about KF91 as a relatively new, quiet/cautious player.
So hmm.. I don't know if I'm not reading in between the lines enough, but like Cynan I'm finding the sudden jump of votes on KF91 pretty interesting. Is it coincidence that the two people KF is fingering as mafia vote for him as soon as he voices his suspicions? This is also the second lynch that BM is pushing REALLY hard for somebody to be lynched, saying that he has a gut instinct and we should trust him.
On April 03 2010 18:03 Bill Murray wrote: madnessman, to me, feels like an argumentative townie... he's too scared to do anything stupid to hurt the town, so he is practically abstaining by sitting with his vote on me.
KF91 has been erratic and actively lurking all game, we should definitely lynch this guy and eliminate his scummy behavior. I'm not attempting to practically abstain. For the person who pushed the hardest for flamewheel's lynch, you're mighty confident that no one else is suspicious of you. This is my reasoning: BM is playing scummily, but should I let it slide because he always acts this erratically? NAH.
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lol I am not editing anything immortant. I don't make freudian fuck ups in mafia.
On topic though, not committing and being cautious is more of a mafia tell. A mafia wouldn't want to be associated with a bad lynch generally while most people wouldn't care. This leads to them not starting off bandwagons (generally) and joining them with some words of caution and trying to act like they are being cautious because they don't want to kill a town, but in reality they act cautious so that they do not draw the eye of sauron onto them.
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that should clear me, then^
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w/e, but u said they don't start lynches, and i'm definitely starting one
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On March 31 2010 17:38 Bill Murray wrote: madnessman with excuse for not being here@scummy behavior.org
trying to blend in on obvious town... I was just waiting for someone to try to jump onto that guy after me, but I didn't expect it to be you, madnessman.
shame on you for falling into my trap . unvote; ##vote madnessman##
Alright BM, first I'm on obvious town to you, and then all of sudden I turn into an obvious mafia after my post... I really don't understand your thinking style -.-
On April 03 2010 18:06 Bill Murray wrote: You all might say "that's rubbish, he just posted suspicions" but I feel as if they are forced and the usefulness of them is only to put his name in a good light. He is faking it, and I have had the gut feeling to go after him all game, so lets see if I'm right on this one, guys.
You all can say "you've been wrong", but I really haven't. Before flamewheel died, I realized he was green, and asked him how long that we had to change our votes. When I went to change my vote, the post was already overdue.
Trust me until I'm wrong please.
LETS LYNCH KF91
For all we know, you could have known when the votes ended; and just pretended to try to change your vote. And what's forced? My suspicion of Vivi and RoL? I just tried to analyze what they have been saying. I guess for the other players I wasn't able to put as much effort, because I had very little suspicion on them. People wanted to know what I was thinking, and I gave that to them. Can you please explain what is wrong with my analysis.
On April 03 2010 21:29 Vivi57 wrote: ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion.
I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now.
going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled.
##vote kf91
I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good.
Can you please explain as to why you're voting me? You are providing no explanation, except not to get modkilled. That doesn't seen a good enough reason to me. I see this as a reaction to what I posted yesterday, so let's just get this over with:
##Vote Vivi57##
On April 04 2010 01:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think we are going the right way here, KF is using backwards logic when he voted for FlameWheel. He basically voted flamewheel because flamewheel would be the biggest threat later on, he was talking and contributing a lot and activity HURTS the mafia. Yes, Flamewheel was being exceptionally wordy, but that is good. It gives us the town more to work with and the ability to read whats shit when its there. Any fool can see how flamewheel's posts were beneficial to the town.
After that KF continues to not really say anything of substance and just goes with it. Look at his suspect list. It lists me and Vivi as the prime two suspects and gives NO COMMENT on foolishness. Who is obviously my strongest candidate.
Posting a lot and contributing could also be seen as a mafia trying to blend themselves into the town. Let's say Flame was mafia and we didn't lynch him. I think that as the days went on, we would start trusting what he was saying and basing our lynch votes depending on what he says. I think that is much more dangerous than a quiet mafia who does not contribute, just because they don't have the power to manipulate the other townies.
And why should I give comments on foolishness if he's your strongest candidate? The post I made was to inform the town of my suspicions.
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ok, pbpa on kf91 incoming. Yesterday, I just had a gut feeling about him and didn't really have a case. Lets see what happens when I reread him.
1,2. newb post, acting or not? Defers to more experienced players 3. "why vote for me?" 4. instantly in love with L 5. wants to kill inactives. somewhat contradicts the idea that he's a newb 6. says that post was to induce activity 7. getting defensive 8. essentially arguing that we have no information and should lynch randomly. This is advocating a very pro mafia play, trying to undermine the towns only advantage 9. weak vote on flamewheel for being "too wordy". This vote stays there the whole day 10. interesting. critizing L and flamewheel. The two dead people. 11. long list of accusations. RoL and I basically.
One interesting thing I did notice in his last post is how he talks about foolishness disagreeing with everything he said basically. I reread it and the dynamic established between them is definitely worth looking at. Based on his last post where he refuses to comment on foolishness, I'm going to keep my vote there and seriously consider RoL's foolishness/kf theory.
and since my last vote probably didn't go through
##vote kf91##
Right now, I'm going to reread L and flamewheel and see if anything good comes up.
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On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET!
wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it.
this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum.
I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote.
##vote foolishness##
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Foolishness
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On April 04 2010 07:53 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler +On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## Well, for the record, I discredit vets every game I play, not just when I'm mafia. In last year's summer mafia, I was discrediting BC almost the entire game. In Ver's mafia game, I got killed the first night because all my posts were directed at Pyrry telling him he was full of crap (Pyrry was mafia). In both of these games I was green. I discredit vets all game, every game.
Besides, when you lynch me and I flip town you're going to lose an active townsperson and be in quite a pickle. I was discrediting L because he wasn't posting any of his own thoughts and just telling everyone else to post (I'm actually posting my thoughts right now so don't think I'm doing the same thing).
Now I'm quite confused on how people are associating me with KF. I was one of the first, if not the first, to say that he's suspicious because of his non committal posting and his inability to formally accuse someone. Most of the people who are voting for him now are using the same reasoning I posted.
That being said, I have no idea who to vote for right now. I thought Vivi was legit the first day, RoL defended himself well, and KF has since been active. As I recall, KF actually did post his thoughts about me, and I have been questioning his attitude all game. It's nice that Cynan came in and posted his thoughts and voted, but I was expecting a lot more.
I'm going to wait to vote, but madnessman seems like he's going under the radar through all this, and BM to to some extent. They have continued their squabbling with the other, madnessman still is voting to kill BM, and BM made a very short reasoning as why he changed his vote.
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Foolishness
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If you're here vivi, I would love to know about this "dynamic" between KF and I. Yeah I understand he refused to comment on me and I have no idea why he did that but that does not mean we're all buddy buddy.
And besides, it's not like KF has posted "i'm voting for vivi, I refuse to talk about Foolishness". He's actually been active and gave reasoning to his votes and suspicions.
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Only one hour left guys, I really would like to hear more from Vivi before the Day is over :/
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foolishness just generally responded to every post kf made and disagreed with it. Maybe I'm leveling myself, but that's clever distancing if you're both mafia.
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Foolishness
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On April 04 2010 10:41 Vivi57 wrote: foolishness just generally responded to every post kf made and disagreed with it. Maybe I'm leveling myself, but that's clever distancing if you're both mafia.
Yeah it really is clever, especially since I know I'm legit.
I'm going to vote for KF right now since there is no one else to vote for. I was thinking voting for madnessman or BM all today, but since Vivi voted for me I don't have much of a choice. As I was the first to point out, KF played the entire first day extrememly cautious. He avoided making enemies in his posting and seemed hesitant to post his thoughts or formally accuse someone. My gut still tells me Vivi is innocent.
##vote Kf91##
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Alright, good luck with the rest of the game when I flip green :/
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Micropolis: End of Day 2
The colonists debated back and forth, unsure of who to airlock. But at the dying moments of the day, the jockeying ended and it was decided. KF91 would be the one to perish. They ushered him to the airlock, sealed him in, and anxiously watched the monitors as one of them pressed the button. But as his body was ejected into space and exploded, no signs of brainworm activity appeared.
KF91 the townie has been lynched. 4 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP!
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
1 vote for bill murray: madnessman
1 vote for foolishness:
rebirthoflegend vivi57
3 votes for kf91: bill murray rebirthoflegend
vivi57 foolishness
2 votes for vivi57: cynanmachae kf91
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes:
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if foolishness was mafia, he'd 100% leave me alive to die tomorrow. Think about it. Foolishness is my #1 suspect going into tomorrow
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Gj guys.
Vivi is mafia, that as simple as that.
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foolihsness for mvp if you guys lynch me
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God fucking damn it.
T_T!! I Feel like I tried forcing him to be mafia and should of just pushed it. Although some of his behavior I did find a little suspicious I should of reread everything.
~_~
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Foolishness
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On April 04 2010 12:00 Vivi57 wrote: if foolishness was mafia, he'd 100% leave me alive to die tomorrow. Think about it. Foolishness is my #1 suspect going into tomorrow
Which is nice and dandy and all except that I'm town.
Awesome how Cynan shows up right after day is over.
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One hour and a half after the day is over, yes.
And still I couldn't have done anything if I just got there earlier, you guys were all voting for KF91 anyway.
Anyway, if someone dies tonight, town is pretty screwed up. No way we can outvote the mafia with a town that is just gonna follow up the suspicions mafia throw at them.
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On April 04 2010 10:58 KF91 wrote: Alright, good luck with the rest of the game when I flip green :/
Why couldn't you have said this BEFORE you were about to die?
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So, you'd have believed him if he said "I'm green, don't lynch me"?
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On April 04 2010 22:36 CynanMachae wrote: So, you'd have believed him if he said "I'm green, don't lynch me"? i lol'd.
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On April 04 2010 22:36 CynanMachae wrote: So, you'd have believed him if he said "I'm green, don't lynch me"?
hahahaha. oh man oh man oh man.
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On April 04 2010 22:36 CynanMachae wrote: So, you'd have believed him if he said "I'm green, don't lynch me"?
yes. it's the bill murray defense.
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ok, since day started 6 hours ago and nothing's happening and people suspect me alot, I'm going answer any questions you guys have about why I did anything.
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i have no questions for you. i'm not as suspicious of you as other people are.
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Why do you suspect who you suspect?
T_T I can't really think of anything. Shouldn't the day post be up?
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what happened to zona??? D:
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i am suspicious of CM, but I don't know if the town should go with me, as I've been wrong twice.
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Foolishness
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I think Zona died...
madnessman should really be talking more (that doesn't mean linking your current song to BM's play this game)
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On April 06 2010 04:34 Bill Murray wrote: i am suspicious of CM, but I don't know if the town should go with me, as I've been wrong twice. I have been wrong once, very upsetting I was pretty sure.
I should be rereading and posting. I just am lazy right now.
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yeah... i keep expecting to be killed.
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Was a bit sick and wasn't feeling well enough to post, sorry for the day's delay. Did get to watch a lot of nal_ra's oldboy, though, thanks to the TL translators. Another reason for a bot-host - it'll never get sick.
Micropolis: Start of Day 3:
The clamor of tools hitting a bulkhead was barely noticed by the rest of the sleeping colonists. No one stirred, but for the assailant and the victim, until the morning alarm woke everyone for the new day. But despite the success so far in their mission, the colonists were worried. Even if they completed a self-sufficient colony, would they be able to use it...or would it go to the brainworms? At morning roll call, one colonist was missing. The group checked his cabin, and saw a bloody mess - he had been pounded to death by some blunt tools. But other than the gruesome scene, there were no other items of interest. Guess the victim didn't have any particular special equipment that might have been useful in the fight against the brainwashing scourge.
RebirthOfLeGenD the townie has been killed during the night. 3 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Day 3 ends in approximately 48 hours, at April 7, 10pm EST (or April 8, 11:00 KST TeamLiquid time)! Votes are now once again being counted!
##start day##
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Foolishness
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It's totally cool to vote for someone without reason or explanation. I hear it's what all the pros are doing now.
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without reason? I posted the reason on the pages before. You're acting just like you did that game where you were mafia. You're playing scum just like ace - well, but you're still scum.
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I'm going to have to say that lynching flamewheel was the biggest mistake I possibly have made in mafia thus far. The guy was being totally pro-town right before he died.
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On March 30 2010 13:09 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 13:05 flamewheel91 wrote:So L, since you're here I'm assuming you won't be bringing your grudge against Bill Murray into this game, yes? + Show Spoiler +Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW. I'm glad you answered your own question. Also: way to go on throwing down a wall of text to say that we should look at how people behave in order to do behavior analysis and that voting no lynch is bad. In other news: the sky is blue and chocolate is delicious.
loved this post
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On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets.
hahahaha
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Go re-read the thread, and see how scummy foolishness and vivi feel to you. They feel pretty scummy to me, with foolishness being condescending, and Vivi posting one liners. Their argument on this page here could be a ruse. Madnessman seems to be acting the way he did when he was a townie to me, and CynanMachae I don't have a good read on yet. I'll update this when I finish reading the whole thread.
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On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
Also, now that bm has joined the party, he's acting like himself again and he's slightly pro town to me. As long as he's posting, there's no reason we should lynch bm day1 because it should be painfully obvious in a day or two if he's mafia based on his posts.
jeez this makes me not suspect vivi though.... and wow i shouldnt be defending people with 5 people left in a game... so confusing.
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On April 01 2010 12:55 L wrote:
If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia.
And guess who spams it off the page? Madnessman.
Foolishness and Madnessman
##vote foolishness## risky move here, but someone's got to do it.
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On April 02 2010 13:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh boy, the joy.
First, let's start it off like this. ##Vote Foolishness##
I have just read the entire thread and I am ready to bring down rape.
Foolishness, you have literally posted more bullshit then I have. I would like to admit I was wrong, I figured there was nothing to really analyze or do during the first Day, I was completely wrong and for that I am sorry flamewheel. Flamewheel's style was so PAINFULLY town I probably would have voted to kill myself to save him. The guy posted so much stuff that when he actually got shit to work with (meaning lynches and more behavior) that getting a tell on him would of been easier then finding an underage whore in vietnam.
Anyway, enough of that shit. Here is why I am alive.
Foolishness, you posted shit all game and showed up and voted me and tried to transfer ALL the blame onto Flamewheel. Through the entire first day you posted nothing except negative comments, but nothing that actually attacked someone hard. You were trying to draw attention away from yourself. Then when you finally had to vote you vote for me then take a non committing stance with some sort of bullshit cop out of "Well.... if hes green, fucking flamewheel's fault"
Get out of my game with that shit yo. If anyone would like I can post by post pull up all his bullshit, but he has like 9 posts. Feel free to read them all it will take like 5 minutes.
Next order of business. The second highest suspects I have are KF and Billy.
Although for some reason I Can't fucking remember why. So I am going to have to reread my shit and remember why. I got lazy and wrote suspects in a word document and didn't bother writing why. Now I fucking forgot.
Edit: Typo's T_T
And then Foolishness and Madnessman spam the thread onto page 11. I also bet they won't vote for each other...
Also: 3 votes for flamewheel91 (first): kf91 L bill murray
1 vote for kf91: ?madnessman?
2 votes for l: rebirthoflegend ?vivi57?
3 votes for rebirthoflegend: cynanmachae flamewheel91 foolishness
I feel that foolishness put his vote on RoL as a result of him being able to "defend a townie" when it's obvious to him that both of the lynch victims were town players (find his wording against flamewheel, it's really cute the way he says he KNEW flamewheel was green)
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I actually just realized I could be wrong, because I have been twice, and that town shouldn't encourage dropping the hammer.... so... ##vote madnessman##
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lets stick with foolishness
I have foolishness/cynan, you have foolishness/madnessman
lets agree and lynch foolishness today
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Foolishness
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On April 07 2010 03:27 Vivi57 wrote:lets stick with foolishness I have foolishness/cynan, you have foolishness/madnessman lets agree and lynch foolishness today
Let's not agree to lynch me today, cause I don't want the mafia to win.
Vivi, please explain to me how you think I'm acting like mafia (yes yes I'm sure you already posted it but I want to hear it again). Compare the first mini mafia game where I was town to this one. I was legitimately posting my thoughts and trying to figure out who was mafia. This game I have been active (unlike some people such as madnessman and Cynan). The past two games where I was mafia I was mostly hiding in the shadows among the inactives (until the very end I guess when there were so few people left). Considering how little madnessman and Cynan have posted I'd be right in joining that group if I was mafia.
Not to mention last game Incog and L were constantly calling me out and I hardly ever responded. This game I'm actually responding to everyone's accusations against me (yeah...it's because I'm town and don't want to get lynched).
The great part about this is that you guys think I'm mafia but disagree on whoever the other person is. There's two mafia alive and we have to find the two that seem to be working together. You say I'm with either Cynan or madnessman, yet I've been constantly calling them out in the thread. I was going to vote for madnessman yesterday if I wasn't in an awkward situation. It doesn't make sense that I'm mafia with one of these guys (obvious for me since I know I'm clean).
Compare this to trying to link other people together. My gut still tells me Vivi is innocent, so leaving him out of this, possible pairs include Cynan/madnessman, Cynan/BM. In Cynan's big post, he said madnessman was the greatest contributor to the game so far, which is lol funny since all he's done is squabble with BM. In fact, madnessman/BM seems even more plausible giving how differently BM is acting compare to recent games, and madnessman probably knows he can get away with telling BM he sucks (who hasn't at this point?).
Cynan's also suspicious of Vivi, yet he won't give much reason why. Considering I think Vivi is legit, he could possibly open our eyes to what's going on if he's figured something out. Too bad he's mia.
On the topic of BM, everyone seems to be ignoring him this game, which isn't fine and dandy at this stage in the game. He's always actively posting and everyone's talking about/to him. Not this game. He's sat around and chimed in with comments every now and then.
You say I knew flamewheel was green and that's why I didn't vote for him. I didn't know flamewheel was green. Look at my posts. I clearly explained why I voted for RoL first day. I don't recall you (vivi) or madnessman explaining their votes that day.
You guys are looking in the wrong places. There are two relatively inactive players; the only reason you think I'm suspicious is because I've been under pressure the past few days. If BM/Cynan/madnessman talk it should be easy to figure out who's mafia.
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he has been calling cynan out in the thread.. but him and madnessman had some sort of thing going mid thread
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"Cynan/BM." I voted for him twice
i'm really gonna vote to lynch my own mafia team..... yeah right
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On April 07 2010 05:34 Foolishness wrote: I didn't know flamewheel was green.
On April 02 2010 15:16 Foolishness wrote: Flamewheel was obvious townie in my eyes.
I want Cynan to make some legit posts.
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watch this get spammed away rofl
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Foolishness
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On April 07 2010 06:00 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 05:34 Foolishness wrote: I didn't know flamewheel was green. Show nested quote +On April 02 2010 15:16 Foolishness wrote: Flamewheel was obvious townie in my eyes.
I want Cynan to make some legit posts.
Do you know what relativity is? No matter.
There was no way for me to know for absolute certain that flamewheel was town, that's just what I thought. You've admitted to being wrong twice, how about I take your posts and misconstrue their meaning in order to show how you're mafia? No thanks. I don't vote to kill someone without legit reason.
It's cool though if you want to base your accusations off of fallacious reasoning. That's why flamewheel died right? You killed off an active green first day and you're going to do it again.
It's kinda funny how you think this stuff is going to get spammed away, especially since there's nobody here to spam but yourselves. Unless you're going to spam away my defense to make me seem even more mafia.
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Spam the thread? Funny coming from the guy who just posted 8x in a row. Eight. How is that even allowed?!?! BM, you've truly outdone yourself.
Right now, I'm currently inclined to think Cynan is townie (along with myself,obviously), with two out of the following three mafia: BM, Vivi57, Foolishness. Just the way he analyzed the sudden irrational swing of votes towards KF91, put pressure on Vivi etc, makes me pretty confident Cynan is town-aligned.
Possibility 1: BM/Vivi are mafia I'm suspicious of BM for the reasons I listed previously. The fact that he's voting for me now when I'm the only one who thinks he's scum makes me even more suspicious. But as to why I think BM/Vivi have a connection: BM has pretty much FOS'd everyone BUT Vivi. Could this be coincidence? Perhaps. But then he goes:
On April 06 2010 16:16 Bill Murray wrote: Go re-read the thread, and see how scummy foolishness and vivi feel to you. They feel pretty scummy to me, with foolishness being condescending, and Vivi posting one liners. Their argument on this page here could be a ruse. Madnessman seems to be acting the way he did when he was a townie to me, and CynanMachae I don't have a good read on yet. I'll update this when I finish reading the whole thread.
On April 06 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
Also, now that bm has joined the party, he's acting like himself again and he's slightly pro town to me. As long as he's posting, there's no reason we should lynch bm day1 because it should be painfully obvious in a day or two if he's mafia based on his posts. jeez this makes me not suspect vivi though.... and wow i shouldnt be defending people with 5 people left in a game... so confusing. Seems to me like this this is a deliberate attempt to hide ties, BM FOS's Vivi, claims he'll go back to read the thread in its entirety, and 5 mins later, is somehow convinced Vivi is town from some nondescript post made on DAY ONE.
Also on Day 2, we see Vivi voting in alignment with BM. Cynan puts pressure on Vivi to explain why he was so quick to jump on BM's bandwagon, and Vivi appeases Cynan and tosses out a pbpa, but then only 15 minutes later, he changes his vote to Foolishness, so he is no longer voting in alignment with BM. Intentional or unintentional? I don't know, but all a large neat coincidence if it's unintentional.
On April 04 2010 07:38 Vivi57 wrote: ok, pbpa on kf91 incoming. Yesterday, I just had a gut feeling about him and didn't really have a case. Lets see what happens when I reread him.
1,2. newb post, acting or not? Defers to more experienced players 3. "why vote for me?" 4. instantly in love with L 5. wants to kill inactives. somewhat contradicts the idea that he's a newb 6. says that post was to induce activity 7. getting defensive 8. essentially arguing that we have no information and should lynch randomly. This is advocating a very pro mafia play, trying to undermine the towns only advantage 9. weak vote on flamewheel for being "too wordy". This vote stays there the whole day 10. interesting. critizing L and flamewheel. The two dead people. 11. long list of accusations. RoL and I basically.
One interesting thing I did notice in his last post is how he talks about foolishness disagreeing with everything he said basically. I reread it and the dynamic established between them is definitely worth looking at. Based on his last post where he refuses to comment on foolishness, I'm going to keep my vote there and seriously consider RoL's foolishness/kf theory.
and since my last vote probably didn't go through
##vote kf91##
Right now, I'm going to reread L and flamewheel and see if anything good comes up.
On April 04 2010 07:53 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler +On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## Possibility 2: Vivi/Foolishness are mafia Vivi basically doesn't post anything helpful for the first 2 days, besides "let's lynch L!" "let's lynch L in case he comes back as a mafia zombie!" I haven't called out Vivi before because he has posted so little of content and there was never enough of a basis to be suspicious of him, but I always figured that during "crunch time" he would post most more in an effort to help the town, or at least post more and slip up if he were mafia. But then he comes out of nowhere defending Foolishness:
On April 03 2010 21:29 Vivi57 wrote: ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion.
I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now.
going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled.
##vote kf91
I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good. At this point, only RoL has voted for Foolishness to be lynched, and is hard on Foolisheness' case, so I think we can pretty much assume that this post is directed towards RoL. After this post, we see that RoL changes his vote to KF91. Later, Vivi SWITCHES his vote, when it's obvious that Foolishness is NOT going to get lynched, since it's a) close to the deadline b) everyone else OTHER THAN foolishness has voted, and obviously he's not going to vote for himself?!
What I find interesting is that when Vivi changes his vote from KF to Foolishness, he changes the vote count from KF:3, Vivi:2, to KF:2, Vivi:2. Why would ANY rational player put himself in that position, ESPECIALLY when Foolishness hasn't voted yet and could easily vote for Vivi? Obviously, he would have no reason to worry if he and Foolish are acting together and he knew that Foolishness would be voting for KF91.
He then keeps voicing his suspicions of Foolishness, but as we saw in the first mafia game, nemY did the same thing to Ace, so I don't think this clears him of being mafia.
Possibility 3: BM and Foolishness are mafia Also possible, but there aren't strong clues that these two are a pair. I don't know--may have to reread thread more closely to see.
tl;dr: just read the stuff in bold I guess? lol.
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The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers.
Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness.
Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan.
##vote CynanMachae##
I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes).
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Foolishness
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On April 07 2010 07:35 Vivi57 wrote: The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers.
Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness.
Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan.
##vote CynanMachae##
I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes).
I'm still waiting to hear from Cynan, he hasn't said anything in a long while now.
And yes, the reason I'm not pointing fingers is because I have no idea who's together and who's not. I made my accusations above under the assumption you were innocent. Madnessman made his assuming Cynan is innocent. Hopefully by looking at both we can figure something out.
I'm not even sure that you're innocent Vivi, especially since you didn't die last night. I thought the mafia would kill you after you made your post about me being mafia. Right now you're just at the bottom of my suspect list. Even if you are fooling me your partner is still out there.
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there was about a 0% chance I'd die last night. To tons of people, I was the most suspicious person in the game and the mafia aren't stupid
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On April 07 2010 09:27 Vivi57 wrote: there was about a 0% chance I'd die last night. To tons of people, I was the most suspicious person in the game and the mafia aren't stupid
that's ridiculous. foolishness has iterated that he doesn't think you're suspicious, i don't think BM has recently accused you either, I know i haven't...
The only people who voiced suspicions were kf91, who is now dead, and cynan, who you are now voting for.
On April 07 2010 07:35 Vivi57 wrote: The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers.
Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness.
Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan.
##vote CynanMachae##
I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes).
seems like a power play to me. you're asking foolishness to back you up, who earlier you were so convinced was mafia?! i'm gonna go with:
##Vote Vivi57##
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all i know is i'm green, so if you're green, you can't count me with you.
and madnessman, with 5 people left, i don't think people give a fuck if i post 8 times in a row.
it's not like they were spam. i was building cases.
if you don't like it, we can lynch you.
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On April 07 2010 10:47 Bill Murray wrote: all i know is i'm green, so if you're green, you can't count me with you.
and madnessman, with 5 people left, i don't think people give a fuck if i post 8 times in a row.
it's not like they were spam. i was building cases.
if you don't like it, we can lynch you.
"if you don't like it, we can lynch you." we? you and your partner you mean?
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dude BM, tbh, i feel as though your being pissed at me is affecting how you're playing the game.
gonna vote for the guy who's gonna get modkilled
##Vote CynanMachae##
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oh shit 2 votes on someone
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madnessman, if you're green, take your vote off him
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greens should NOT be putting the 2nd vote on someone... think about it
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2 mafia + 1 green..........
yeah.
think about it.
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problem is, i think vivi and foolishness might be playing one over on us
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only thing is, if you're green, and you put a vote on me, both mafia might just follow and it's pretty much game over. we're in a very precarious position
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On April 07 2010 11:00 madnessman wrote: dude BM, tbh, i feel as though your being pissed at me is affecting how you're playing the game.
gonna vote for the guy who's gonna get modkilled
##Vote CynanMachae##
and just the insanity of this is crazy
do you understand what LyLo is?
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oh nvm. timing is fucked up. thought cynan was going to get modkilled lmao. thank god we have one more day.
##Vote Viv57##
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ahh my mistake. i had to be somewhere at 10, but when i checked back, i thought that the town was about to lose because cynan was going to get modkilled and me lynched. my rationale was that it would be better to lose only one person instead of two, because: 1. if cynan dies and flips green, mafia doesn't necessary outnumber the town if they attempt to hit whoever the medic is protecting. 2. i'd say im like 85% sure that cynan is town, but if i'm wrong and cynan is mafia, town has a chance to win still.
as opposed to: 1. me+cynan both getting killed off and mafia wins.
i see now that we have one more day, thank gawd, and there's still the chance to get a mafia lynched. so let me fix my vote:
##Vote Vivi57##
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"1. if cynan dies and flips green, mafia doesn't necessary outnumber the town if they attempt to hit whoever the medic is protecting."
who says there's a medic? there could be no roleblocker and no medic? isn't it F11?
u are making terrible assumptions that seem scummy to me
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what's F11? town DEFINITELY loses if cynan is town, and we both get killed. however, there is a chance town doesn't lose even if cynan is town, if only 1 person gets killed off and if there's a medic. it comes down to probability..no chance versus some chance.
also, foolishness didn't vote.
if he were mafia, me+cynan green, then if him+cynan get modkilled, i get lynched. = ur left with a member of the mafia. from ur comment i'm guessing ur not a medic. so u get hit at night, town loses.
cynan is mafia, me+foolishness green. him+cynan get modkilled, i get lynched. = same situation where ur left with one member of the town, and town loses.
all 3 of us are green=town loses.
of course there's the possibility that cynan/foolishness are mafia together. this doesn't seem like a likely pair to me. but if this were the case, irregardless of how i vote, if cynan+foolishness both had gotten modkilled, it wouldn't have mattered what i did because town would win anyway.
i thought this may have been a repeat of micro-mafia 1 where ppl just didn't show up, but i don't think im making terrible assumptions...in terms of PROBABILITY of town winning, it would've helped our chances.
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well, im green, so put that into your probability
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
At any rate, we shouldn't vote for Cynan if he's going to get modkilled. As madnessman said there will still be a small chance of winning: there must be a medic alive and he must make a save.
Best case scenario Cynan is mafia and we kill his partner as well.
However if Cynan is indeed mafia, we could mess this up if we kill someone who is green. If Cynan is mafia, and we all vote to kill him, then we go to night and we still have one more day alive. If Cynan is mafia and we vote to kill a townie, then there will be 3 people alive and one mafia, and if mafia's night hit goes through it's game over.
So basically even if Cynan is going to get modkilled, we still need to decide if he's mafia or not as that will affect who if anyone we lynch.
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well it's not like he's definitely going to get modkilled. i just assumed so because i thought the day was ending at 10pm est today, and my tl page being on japanese time didn't help.
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im guessing vivi is going to jump on this faster than a your mom joke. in any case, im hoping we'll have more activity and get to see more posting tomorrow.
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Ok sorry guys I couldn't post today, and I did followed up the thread yesterday but I didn't post since there were so little happening and I wanted to give time for people to throw out some votes first.
Because, as it is now, its 3 townies, 2 mafias. With a townie death, mafia is really close to winning so they really must try hard to get a townie lynched. If you look at it that way, they only need ONE vote from one of us (toward a townie) in order to avoid lynching and pretty much win the game (if I'm right, 2 mafia 2 town is a mafia win).
So what do the mafia want? One vote. Best plan? Throw suspicions around, be first to vote to start bandwagons. That's what Vivi and BM did, throwing votes very early, hopeing to get at least one townie to follow them.
Yes, I've been suspicious of Vivi since the beginning. I've also been the one to call Vivi on his bandwagonning of KF91 which he never bothered to answer.
Anyway, I've been looking at the Vivi/Foolishness possibility, because so far Vivi has done a very good job of distancing himself from Foolishness, throwing accusations when it was safe to do so, voting for him, he could even get him lynched and then ride alone to victory, clearing his name up. While this is less of a possibility to me that the BM/Vivi combo, it's worth looking into, but anyway for this day I'm gonna vote Vivi again because he's in both of my possible mafia teams.
Also, for those that are pointing to a me/madnessman mafia combo, just think seriously about it. Yes, from the beggining I've said that I didn't suspect madnessman and just now he said that he thought that I was town. That would be a pretty awesomely bad play to throw out everywhere how we don't suspect the other so that if one get lynched the other dies the next day. Much easier would be to just ignore each other like Vivi and BM have been doing.
Anyway, I've been rambling randomly a bit and my thoughts arent as ordered as I wanted, so I'm gonna say now that I'm voting vivi.
##Vote Vivi57##
Reasons? First, among the possibles mafia teams, he's on both the ones I suspect most (BM/Vivi, Vivi/Foolishness). Also, he's been pretty good at not attaching himself to any bandwagon, like voting for Foolishness alone last day and L on the first day. Also, when I showed up to be quick inactive today he was prertty quick to start bandwagonning me, probably hoping I wouldn't be very much active to defend myself.
Now that I look at that again, Vivi/Foolishness really seems plausible.
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Gah, I never bold my votes ><
Anyway, just for emphasis, ##Vote Vivi57##
yea I know it's not needed but anyway
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 07 2010 13:27 CynanMachae wrote: Ok sorry guys I couldn't post today, and I did followed up the thread yesterday but I didn't post since there were so little happening and I wanted to give time for people to throw out some votes first.
Because, as it is now, its 3 townies, 2 mafias. With a townie death, mafia is really close to winning so they really must try hard to get a townie lynched. If you look at it that way, they only need ONE vote from one of us (toward a townie) in order to avoid lynching and pretty much win the game (if I'm right, 2 mafia 2 town is a mafia win).
So what do the mafia want? One vote. Best plan? Throw suspicions around, be first to vote to start bandwagons. That's what Vivi and BM did, throwing votes very early, hopeing to get at least one townie to follow them.
Yes, I've been suspicious of Vivi since the beginning. I've also been the one to call Vivi on his bandwagonning of KF91 which he never bothered to answer.
Anyway, I've been looking at the Vivi/Foolishness possibility, because so far Vivi has done a very good job of distancing himself from Foolishness, throwing accusations when it was safe to do so, voting for him, he could even get him lynched and then ride alone to victory, clearing his name up. While this is less of a possibility to me that the BM/Vivi combo, it's worth looking into, but anyway for this day I'm gonna vote Vivi again because he's in both of my possible mafia teams.
Also, for those that are pointing to a me/madnessman mafia combo, just think seriously about it. Yes, from the beggining I've said that I didn't suspect madnessman and just now he said that he thought that I was town. That would be a pretty awesomely bad play to throw out everywhere how we don't suspect the other so that if one get lynched the other dies the next day. Much easier would be to just ignore each other like Vivi and BM have been doing.
Anyway, I've been rambling randomly a bit and my thoughts arent as ordered as I wanted, so I'm gonna say now that I'm voting vivi.
##Vote Vivi57##
Reasons? First, among the possibles mafia teams, he's on both the ones I suspect most (BM/Vivi, Vivi/Foolishness). Also, he's been pretty good at not attaching himself to any bandwagon, like voting for Foolishness alone last day and L on the first day. Also, when I showed up to be quick inactive today he was prertty quick to start bandwagonning me, probably hoping I wouldn't be very much active to defend myself.
Now that I look at that again, Vivi/Foolishness really seems plausible.
So this would mean you think the arguments between Vivi and I have all been staged?
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like I said, madnessman/cynan for mafia. Doesn't look like they're playing any tricky games, just going allin against me hoping to get one townie to chase.
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well im not chasing and doubles... this game could be in limbo
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im not gonna chase a vivi lynch, nor double up, until i'm fairly certain who the other 2 townies with me are
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i think it might be vivi/madnessman
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i'm so afraid that you guys are going to be split like cynan/madnessman voting for vivi, and vivi/foolishness voting for cynan... i'll have absolutely no idea what to do.
One good thing, though, is that if people ever get to 3 votes on someone (before the deadline), I will be able to be like "one of you is an idiot townie who needs to take their vote off" because there's no possible way you're all 3 town and thus the person you're voting for is probably town too...
like where i know i'm green, lets say vivi, foolishness, and madnessman are all voting for cynanmachae... that would let me know cynanmachae is green, and therefore i have two confirmable greens... that would let me and cynan vote for someone, and say, "hey, the other green guy, don't fucking lose the game for us moron". the only problem here is it would be 2 v 2 and it'd be on us to convince someone... it's hard to convince someone whose mind is made up.
I'm assuming that we have until the deadline, though, and that if any point someone hits 3 votes they don't auto-die. If my assumption is not correct, then the above scenario is void. In that case, people who are green should play like I am playing, and refrain from putting two votes on the same person. Following that, it pretty much confirms CynanMachae as mafia to me. Him putting a 2nd vote on someone is really suspicious to me. I would love to just jump right in with vivi, but i'm wary of this scenario:
madnessman cynanmachae
both voting for
vivi57
who is voting for lets say cynanmachae with bill murray
then foolishness votes vivi at the last second and laughs at us.
to be honest, though, i don't know who is what. early play indicates foolishness as red to me, but his late play is making me think otherwise. early play made me think madnessman is green, but he feels scummy as shit right now.
another scenario i'm worried about is vivi57 foolishness
vs
madnessman cynanmachae
i would probably fuck up and vote wrong here
people need to talk more, we need to figure out who is what, and we can't do that if townies dont try to help each other go over all the scenarios to figure out who is town and who is mafia
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On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: ugh crap. I've just realized that I most likely won't be able to get on tomorrow before the day cycle ends, so i will have to cast my vote now.
i don't have enough of a basis to vote for flamewheel, esp. since IF he is town, the effort he puts into his posts indicate that he will strive to participate and contribute as the game goes on. on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him.
##vote KF91##
you're green, aren't you?
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IF you were red, you would have wanted flamewheel dead, as he was very active and pro-town
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On April 01 2010 11:19 Foolishness wrote: The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts
u ready to hold him accountable yet, or you gonna active lurk for longer?
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If I'm red, who would be my partner? Foolishness? Doesnt make much sense, since the beginning he was calling me up. Vivi? Doesn't make any sense either.
That leave either you or madnessman, Bill. You probably know if you're mafia or not, so you just need to make your mind on madnessman.
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i find it suspicious of some things you wouldn't notice at first assuming vivi and foolishness are both mafia: vivi tried to get a quick day 1 lynch on me by throwing a vote on me before I was active based upon me not posting yet. That'd be fine if people wouldn't do it, but since it's me, he probably hoped for a quick lynch of someone he knew was town (remember, this is assuming they're mafia).
On pages 7, 8 Foolishness and Vivi both try to start different wagons. Vivi tries to start one on L, and Foolishness tries to start one on RoL. Innocent? possibly, but let's look at it from the perspective that they're mafia. Wouldn't they want veterans to get bandwagoned? Yes. Yes, they would.
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vivi wouldn't make any sense to me, cynan, because of this
possible pairings:
foolishness vivi foolishness madnessman foolishness cynanmachae vivi madnessman vivi cynanmachae cynanmachae madnessman
On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
Also, now that bm has joined the party, he's acting like himself again and he's slightly pro town to me. As long as he's posting, there's no reason we should lynch bm day1 because it should be painfully obvious in a day or two if he's mafia based on his posts.
also notice how he tries to retract his obvious attempt to get a quick lynch of a townie? suspicious
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so take yours off the list imo
possible pairings:
foolishness vivi foolishness madnessman foolishness cynanmachae vivi madnessman cynanmachae madnessman
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here's another instance foolishness puts really light FoS on you, cynan.
"Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day."
That's the second one i've noticed, and i'm not even halfway through the thread properly
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On April 02 2010 15:16 Foolishness wrote: I want Cynan to make some legit posts.
and again... third time's the charm.
Is it that unreasonable you're both mafia?
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the end of day 2 whenever KF91 died is making me suspicious of Vivi and Foolishness as a pairing.
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On April 06 2010 05:46 Foolishness wrote:
madnessman should really be talking more
well, fuck.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 07 2010 21:20 Bill Murray wrote: i find it suspicious of some things you wouldn't notice at first assuming vivi and foolishness are both mafia: vivi tried to get a quick day 1 lynch on me by throwing a vote on me before I was active based upon me not posting yet. That'd be fine if people wouldn't do it, but since it's me, he probably hoped for a quick lynch of someone he knew was town (remember, this is assuming they're mafia).
On pages 7, 8 Foolishness and Vivi both try to start different wagons. Vivi tries to start one on L, and Foolishness tries to start one on RoL. Innocent? possibly, but let's look at it from the perspective that they're mafia. Wouldn't they want veterans to get bandwagoned? Yes. Yes, they would. Okay I'm going reiterate what I said. If Vivi and I are both mafia, that would mean we would have had staged the whole accusation/defense between the two of us. Do you really think the mafia would go through such an elaborate plan? Maybe, but given the fact that there have been some pairings that have been pretty chill at each other (madnessman/Cynan, BM/anyone but madnessman for example) I don't think this is likely.
Also consider, given the fact that RoL died after he was putting constant pressure on me, I'd be the number one lynch candidate right now. After Vivi voted for me today, I thought there'd be a huge bandwagon on me, and I was practically shitting my pants cause I thought I'd died for sure and then town would lose. If we were both mafia, there'd be no reason for Vivi to vote for me like that, he could just easily put the pressure on someone else, and there'd be no reason for him to accuse me (especially since me having to defend myself just makes it more likely I'll slip up).
And yeah, I want to hold Cynan to his word. So far he's half delivering. I think if he was posting more it would clear up a lot of confusion. I normally don't like voting early, but as BM said it's necessary to get things moving. Hopefully he'll talk some more and we can figure this out.
##Vote CynanMachae##
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So what about Vivi then? I do agree that if you and Vivi were mafia, some of the stuff would have to be "staged" and some elaborate plan, but that's not that far-fetched since most of the accusations were easy to dismiss or not that elaborate
You are very quick to dismiss the Vivi/BM possibility. You say you and Vivi aren't mafia, but does that clear Vivi? I don't think so. You say you want me to post more and clear stuff, but the same can be said about Vivi who so far have been delivering far less.
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On April 07 2010 06:52 madnessman wrote: At this point, only RoL has voted for Foolishness to be lynched, and is hard on Foolisheness' case, so I think we can pretty much assume that this post is directed towards RoL. After this post, we see that RoL changes his vote to KF91. Later, Vivi SWITCHES his vote, when it's obvious that Foolishness is NOT going to get lynched, since it's a) close to the deadline b) everyone else OTHER THAN foolishness has voted, and obviously he's not going to vote for himself?!
What I find interesting is that when Vivi changes his vote from KF to Foolishness, he changes the vote count from KF:3, Vivi:2, to KF:2, Vivi:2. Why would ANY rational player put himself in that position, ESPECIALLY when Foolishness hasn't voted yet and could easily vote for Vivi? Obviously, he would have no reason to worry if he and Foolish are acting together and he knew that Foolishness would be voting for KF91.
I really want to point this out again.
Also, I would really like that you guys notice who's basing their accusations on mafia duos and not. So far, Vivi and Foolishness have both been voting for me but neither of them have been putting much thoughts into who would be my partner. Some mention that it could be madnessman, but not really any reasoning behind it. Meanwhile, madnessman, BM and myself habe been suggesting mafia duos and throwing our reasonings behind it. Reasoning with mafia duos give us a loooooot more information.
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Possible pairings:
cynan/madnessman - already covered bm/foolishness - then both are playing really well and there's about 0% chance we can coordinate against them vivi/foolishness - if I'm red without knowing it, town is also screwed
anyone have a votecount?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Since Zona and his bot seem to be out of commission at the moment, as a courtesy I'll give you guys a vote count >.>
Vote Count:
Foolishness (0)
Vivi57
Bill Murray
madnessman (1) Bill Murray
CynanMachae (2) Vivi57
madnessman Foolishness
Vivi57 (2)
madnessman madnessman CynanMachae
Vote history by voter:
Vivi57 voted for: Foolishness CynanMachae
Bill Murray voted for: Foolishness madnessman
madnessman voted for: Vivi57 CynanMachae Vivi57
CynanMachae voted for: Vivi57
Foolishness voted for: CynanMachae
Let me know if I made any mistakes in this, did it in the five minutes I had before I have to run to tennis practice. Zona, I did this because you haven't been around (still sick? ) and your bot hasn't updated since post 235, almost a full hundred posts ago. If you don't want it on here, PM me and I'll take it out.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 08 2010 00:06 CynanMachae wrote: So what about Vivi then? I do agree that if you and Vivi were mafia, some of the stuff would have to be "staged" and some elaborate plan, but that's not that far-fetched since most of the accusations were easy to dismiss or not that elaborate
You are very quick to dismiss the Vivi/BM possibility. You say you and Vivi aren't mafia, but does that clear Vivi? I don't think so. You say you want me to post more and clear stuff, but the same can be said about Vivi who so far have been delivering far less. I'm definitely not dismissing any possibility. As I said in my post, I ruled out any combo with Vivi in it because he's the person I least suspect. Doesn't mean I'm advocating he's 100% on the side of the town.
If we're trying to find mafia by pairing people together, it seems to me that BM could easily be paired with anyone save madnessman. He's been constantly under the radar this whole game and nobody has seemed to hardcore suspect him. I don't think he's said anything in his defense other than "i'm green". Doesn't mean he's mafia, but it's still suspicious.
I just voted for you to get things moving (not that they hadn't already or anything). I'm going to wait until more people post, especially to hear Vivi's response to your posts.
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I might have missed it, but why did the BM/madnessman pairing seemed less probable?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 08 2010 07:41 CynanMachae wrote: I might have missed it, but why did the BM/madnessman pairing seemed less probable? They had that whole squabble with each other yesterday. madnessman was comparing BM's posts to a Katy Perry song.
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I made a comment and BM wasn't very happy about it.
On April 07 2010 23:21 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 21:20 Bill Murray wrote: i find it suspicious of some things you wouldn't notice at first assuming vivi and foolishness are both mafia: vivi tried to get a quick day 1 lynch on me by throwing a vote on me before I was active based upon me not posting yet. That'd be fine if people wouldn't do it, but since it's me, he probably hoped for a quick lynch of someone he knew was town (remember, this is assuming they're mafia).
On pages 7, 8 Foolishness and Vivi both try to start different wagons. Vivi tries to start one on L, and Foolishness tries to start one on RoL. Innocent? possibly, but let's look at it from the perspective that they're mafia. Wouldn't they want veterans to get bandwagoned? Yes. Yes, they would. Okay I'm going reiterate what I said. If Vivi and I are both mafia, that would mean we would have had staged the whole accusation/defense between the two of us. Do you really think the mafia would go through such an elaborate plan? Maybe, but given the fact that there have been some pairings that have been pretty chill at each other (madnessman/Cynan, BM/anyone but madnessman for example) I don't think this is likely. Also consider, given the fact that RoL died after he was putting constant pressure on me, I'd be the number one lynch candidate right now. After Vivi voted for me today, I thought there'd be a huge bandwagon on me, and I was practically shitting my pants cause I thought I'd died for sure and then town would lose. If we were both mafia, there'd be no reason for Vivi to vote for me like that, he could just easily put the pressure on someone else, and there'd be no reason for him to accuse me (especially since me having to defend myself just makes it more likely I'll slip up). And yeah, I want to hold Cynan to his word. So far he's half delivering. I think if he was posting more it would clear up a lot of confusion. I normally don't like voting early, but as BM said it's necessary to get things moving. Hopefully he'll talk some more and we can figure this out. ##Vote CynanMachae##
So I see that Foolishness is voting in alignment with Vivi...why doesn't that surprise me? I really don't think it would be a "huge, elaborate" plan for Vivi and Foolish to be working together. Why? Vivi defends Foolish when there's pressure on him, and only accuses him only when there's little to no chance he's going to get lynched. Sounds like a pretty good way for mafia members to disassociate themselves from each other. Also, I don't think we can take Vivi's voting pattern as coincidence. He puts himself in danger of being lynched, when Foolish is casting the deciding vote and could vote for him. If a regular townie thought Foolish was mafia, why would he put himself in a position where Foolish could easily get him lynched?
Looks like the game is in BM's hands now. It's wound up to be me and cynan voting against vivi and foolishness, with BM casting the deciding vote. I think I've brought up specific scenarios where vivi acts scummy, and acting as though he's in alignment with foolish, which would make voting for vivi a pretty safe bet. On the other hand, vivi and foolishness hardly provide solid reasons why they think cynan is scum. So I don't know what else I can say...Seems pretty clear cut to me, but BM I hope yo uthink all this over and make the right decision. Unless you're mafia then we're screwed with you casting the final vote :/.
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I'm going to cry if it ends up being foolishness/bm
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:38 madnessman wrote:I made a comment and BM wasn't very happy about it. Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 23:21 Foolishness wrote:On April 07 2010 21:20 Bill Murray wrote: i find it suspicious of some things you wouldn't notice at first assuming vivi and foolishness are both mafia: vivi tried to get a quick day 1 lynch on me by throwing a vote on me before I was active based upon me not posting yet. That'd be fine if people wouldn't do it, but since it's me, he probably hoped for a quick lynch of someone he knew was town (remember, this is assuming they're mafia).
On pages 7, 8 Foolishness and Vivi both try to start different wagons. Vivi tries to start one on L, and Foolishness tries to start one on RoL. Innocent? possibly, but let's look at it from the perspective that they're mafia. Wouldn't they want veterans to get bandwagoned? Yes. Yes, they would. Okay I'm going reiterate what I said. If Vivi and I are both mafia, that would mean we would have had staged the whole accusation/defense between the two of us. Do you really think the mafia would go through such an elaborate plan? Maybe, but given the fact that there have been some pairings that have been pretty chill at each other (madnessman/Cynan, BM/anyone but madnessman for example) I don't think this is likely. Also consider, given the fact that RoL died after he was putting constant pressure on me, I'd be the number one lynch candidate right now. After Vivi voted for me today, I thought there'd be a huge bandwagon on me, and I was practically shitting my pants cause I thought I'd died for sure and then town would lose. If we were both mafia, there'd be no reason for Vivi to vote for me like that, he could just easily put the pressure on someone else, and there'd be no reason for him to accuse me (especially since me having to defend myself just makes it more likely I'll slip up). And yeah, I want to hold Cynan to his word. So far he's half delivering. I think if he was posting more it would clear up a lot of confusion. I normally don't like voting early, but as BM said it's necessary to get things moving. Hopefully he'll talk some more and we can figure this out. ##Vote CynanMachae## So I see that Foolishness is voting in alignment with Vivi...why doesn't that surprise me? I really don't think it would be a "huge, elaborate" plan for Vivi and Foolish to be working together. Why? Vivi defends Foolish when there's pressure on him, and only accuses him only when there's little to no chance he's going to get lynched. Sounds like a pretty good way for mafia members to disassociate themselves from each other. Also, I don't think we can take Vivi's voting pattern as coincidence. He puts himself in danger of being lynched, when Foolish is casting the deciding vote and could vote for him. If a regular townie thought Foolish was mafia, why would he put himself in a position where Foolish could easily get him lynched? Looks like the game is in BM's hands now. It's wound up to be me and cynan voting against vivi and foolishness, with BM casting the deciding vote. I think I've brought up specific scenarios where vivi acts scummy, and acting as though he's in alignment with foolish, which would make voting for vivi a pretty safe bet. On the other hand, vivi and foolishness hardly provide solid reasons why they think cynan is scum. So I don't know what else I can say...Seems pretty clear cut to me, but BM I hope yo uthink all this over and make the right decision. Unless you're mafia then we're screwed with you casting the final vote :/. What do you mean "little to no chance he's going to get lynched"? I'm the only one alive right now that's been under the most pressure all game. I've been defending myself since yesterday after RoL accused me. I was shitting bricks this morning (game time) when RoL came up innocent cause I was definitely the easy target to lynch.
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eh. what's zona's policy in the case of a tie? -.^
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if im wrong gg, if im right gg
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 08 2010 11:00 madnessman wrote: eh. what's zona's policy in the case of a tie? -.^ - In the event of a tie, the player (or "no lynch") with the most votes first is considered to have the most votes.
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so vivi would be dead anyways
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ehh if hes town its his fault... he posted a ton but didnt say much
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is it too late to vote for cynanmachae
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Final vote count for the day's lynch
2 votes for cynanmachae: vivi57
madnessman foolishness
0 votes for foolishness:
vivi57
bill murray
1 vote for madnessman: bill murray
2 votes for vivi57 (first):
madnessman madnessman cynanmachae
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes: madnessman: ##Vote viv57##
Vote history by voter:
bill murray voted for: foolishness madnessman
cynanmachae voted for: vivi57
foolishness voted for: cynanmachae
madnessman voted for: vivi57 cynanmachae unrecognized: ##Vote viv57## vivi57
vivi57 voted for: foolishness cynanmachae
Micropolis: End of Day 4
It started off as a great day for the colony of Micropolis. The crew had put the finishing touches on phase 1 of the colony construction project. The place was now self-sufficient. An oxygen generator, a water scrubber, temperature regular, and even the hydroponics were all up and running. But even after reaching such a milestone, the crew was nervous. They had made no progress in eliminating the brainworms among them, and some of them wondered - had they put all the effort into the project, the resources, the blood, sweat, and tears...just for it to be taken over by an alien species bent on humanity's destruction?
Tensions were high, but in the end, the crew made their decision. As the doomed crew member exploded out of the airlock, only two of the remaining souls were paying attention to the sensors...the other two had already prepared their weapons to end things. No one else was around to hear the final screams of humanity on the colony of Micropolis.
Vivi57 the townie has been lynched. Bill Murray the townie and CynanMachae the townie die in the endgame.
Flawless Mafia victory!!
Thanks to flamewheel91 for putting together a votecount for me while I'm still out of things. I appreciate it a lot and I hope you guys do too.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
madnessman was certainly right in saying there wasn't a medic this game
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And thanks for hosting Zona
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Wow! ><
Thanks for hosting, Zona!
And godamnit madnessman
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Fuck you foolishness.
Town should always listen to me.
GOD DAMN IT. First Ace, then Foolishness escape my ever watchful eye.
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Thanks for the great game :D
Good job to the mafia XD
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Next time I get told I am bad I am linking these last two games :D
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Haha I definitely lol'd at you being afk the entire game, and then coming out of nowhere and saying "im ready to bring it down to rape, ##vote foolishness##"
Thanks Zona!
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Impressively bad play. Well done chaps.
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shrug
like I said, if foolishness was mafia, then there was no way we were going to get the coordination to get him lynched.
*shrug* should have stuck with my initial instincts
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On April 06 2010 16:44 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 12:55 L wrote:
If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. And guess who spams it off the page? Madnessman. Foolishness and Madnessman ##vote foolishness## risky move here, but someone's got to do it.
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i did not play perfectly, but i tried my hardest in the final day. i am angry that it turned out to be this scenario in which the 2 people getting 2 votes out of 5 were both townie due to you all voting for each other. Although I am happy that I voted for madnessman, I would have gotten sucked into voting for a townie. You really took me off the right track by throwing CM in there vivi. CM, you weren't really active enough to properly help at the end, and I felt like you just tacked your vote onto madnessman's. It was SO obvious to me that foolishness was spamming things away, and I knew madnessman was doing it at one point with that Katy Perry bullshit.
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I don't see how foolishness got away after spamming away what I said and spamming away what RoL said with those gigantic walls of worthlessness.
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On April 08 2010 11:46 madnessman wrote: Haha I definitely lol'd at you being afk the entire game, and then coming out of nowhere and saying "im ready to bring it down to rape, ##vote foolishness##"
Thanks Zona! lol you are lucky I couldn't get support then KF was bandwagoned and I was like w/e he was a decent suspect. I should of pushed my awesomeness harder.
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On April 08 2010 11:51 L wrote: Impressively bad play. Well done chaps. This is all your fault. Next time put up a better fight vs mafia and don't die night one.
Pussy.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On April 08 2010 12:28 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 16:44 Bill Murray wrote:On April 01 2010 12:55 L wrote:
If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. And guess who spams it off the page? Madnessman. Foolishness and Madnessman ##vote foolishness## risky move here, but someone's got to do it. Lol you spammed it off the page yourself~
On April 08 2010 12:29 Bill Murray wrote: i did not play perfectly, but i tried my hardest in the final day. i am angry that it turned out to be this scenario in which the 2 people getting 2 votes out of 5 were both townie due to you all voting for each other. Although I am happy that I voted for madnessman, I would have gotten sucked into voting for a townie. You really took me off the right track by throwing CM in there vivi. CM, you weren't really active enough to properly help at the end, and I felt like you just tacked your vote onto madnessman's. It was SO obvious to me that foolishness was spamming things away, and I knew madnessman was doing it at one point with that Katy Perry bullshit. Your play is better this time, though it devolved in the end. I commend you on your improvement though^^
On April 08 2010 13:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:This is all your fault. Next time put up a better fight vs mafia and don't die night one. Pussy. Hehe, L is always going to be a first night choice. I don't like the C9 version without Medic since while the mafia know there is a good chance of there not being a medic (due to neither of them being a role blocker) the town doesn't know if there's a medic or not. Also L starting the bandwagon on me probably didn't help, considering...
Well played, madnessman and Foolishness. MVP tie for the mafia team, LVP... Hmm. Sorry Bill Though Vivi and Cynan could've been around more T_T
(Just kidding, I vote myself for LVP lawl.)
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And as a separate post: thanks for hosting, Zona. I'd say C9 is among my more liked versions of standard... though activity at TL needs to be higher :/
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On April 08 2010 13:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:This is all your fault. Next time put up a better fight vs mafia and don't die night one. Pussy. RoL, next time jump in front of the bullet for me.
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listen dude, last time I saved you, you were a godfather.
I aint fuckin wit that shit again.
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ME? I'm the only one who didnt vote for a fucking townie in the end from the town.
MVP: Foolishness by far LVP: CynanMachae
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i felt like a nub getting a spanking as a result from him being angered at losing in XX
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On April 08 2010 14:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: listen dude, last time I saved you, you were a godfather.
I aint fuckin wit that shit again. Lol.
On April 08 2010 16:59 Bill Murray wrote: ME? I'm the only one who didnt vote for a fucking townie in the end from the town.
MVP: Foolishness by far LVP: CynanMachae Though you were quite instrumental in getting two of them killed early on
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Something tells me I need to read this game to see some rage.
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These are always uphill games for the town if the DT gets killed that early I guess.
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On April 08 2010 16:59 Bill Murray wrote: ME? I'm the only one who didnt vote for a fucking townie in the end from the town.
MVP: Foolishness by far LVP: CynanMachae
On April 08 2010 11:01 Bill Murray wrote: fuck it ##vote vivi57##
On April 08 2010 11:12 Bill Murray wrote: is it too late to vote for cynanmachae
haha yes gj.
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madnessman, you can misconstrue how it played out to make me look bad, but i kept my vote on you for like 30 fucking hours, and the other idiots of the town wouldnt get off each other...
vivi voted for cynan and vice versa
i am not saying it is not my fault we were put into this scenario, but when in it, i behaved the best of the three townies in relation to where my vote was put, and who i was suspicious of.
I was suspicious foolishness, you, vivi, cynan
in that order. I wasn't suspicious of cynan at all, and i was about 60/40 on you and vivi. the last time that i directly put someone as being red, though, guess who i got
you and foolishness. vivi really should have kept his vote on foolishness
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that being said, i'm done talking about this game, so if you want to talk to me about it or insult me any more than you already did already with that huge spammy wall of katy perry text that made me want to rip out my eyes then you can PM me
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being suspicious of 4 people pretty much means you had no idea what you were doing
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On April 09 2010 06:17 Ace wrote: being suspicious of 4 people pretty much means you had no idea what you were doing looooooool at least he decided in just enough time to vote the wrong person and mathematically lose the game.
I think that means you realized who it was after. Just relax man, play another game and try to improve :D
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On April 09 2010 06:59 L wrote:
hahaha man I feel so bad for you lmao
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hahaha I've descended here to laugh over you all (like you're any better).
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On April 09 2010 07:28 Ace wrote:hahaha man I feel so bad for you lmao S'ok. I had 3 suspects, 2 were mafia. I feel good about this game.
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On April 09 2010 08:48 L wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 07:28 Ace wrote:On April 09 2010 06:59 L wrote: hahaha man I feel so bad for you lmao S'ok. I had 3 suspects, 2 were mafia. I feel good about this game. S'ok. I died the first day! And then laughed my ass off for the rest of the game.
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well i knew keeping my vote where it was would kill a red if people listened to me, which they didn't.
whatever.
i can't understand why people aren't blaming vivi or cynan here
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On April 09 2010 09:04 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 08:48 L wrote:On April 09 2010 07:28 Ace wrote:On April 09 2010 06:59 L wrote: hahaha man I feel so bad for you lmao S'ok. I had 3 suspects, 2 were mafia. I feel good about this game. S'ok. I died the first day! And then laughed my ass off for the rest of the game. S'ok. I ate indian food and then lol'd with you in PMs all game.
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Vivi takes implied blames for losses don't worry about it ^_^
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cynan thought vivi and i were mafia though
0/2
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yo L who was your third suspect? and why didn't you guys invite me to lawl in PM's?
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On April 09 2010 16:13 Bill Murray wrote: cynan thought vivi and i were mafia though
0/2 Vivi and Foolishness*
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On April 09 2010 12:23 L wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 09:04 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 09 2010 08:48 L wrote:On April 09 2010 07:28 Ace wrote:On April 09 2010 06:59 L wrote: hahaha man I feel so bad for you lmao S'ok. I had 3 suspects, 2 were mafia. I feel good about this game. S'ok. I died the first day! And then laughed my ass off for the rest of the game. S'ok. I ate indian food and then lol'd with you in PMs all game. <3 And I'm sorry RoL, I forgot since you were still alive for the majority of the game
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On April 09 2010 22:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yo L who was your third suspect? and why didn't you guys invite me to lawl in PM's? You, but i checked you night 1.
when i said either you or foolishness was mafia, i wasn't joking :3.
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lolol wtf did I do that was suspicious?
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