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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Needs to start posting his thoughts. Less negating (NOBODY CARES) needed. Encourages activity but does not contribute. However, this is how Foolishness is… in recent games, he’s been the GF twice (XX and XVIII) and is largely silent in terms of bringing new material to the table. However, this is not a large (25 and 50 men for XX and XVIII, respectively) game, so everybody’s voice matters. He needs to start speaking. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Moderate. Hasn’t been anti-town yet, but needs to start acting more pro-town. The longer this day goes on without posting, the higher my suspicions become. With only two hours left, this “veteran” player better start opening his mouth. KF91: + Show Spoiler + ”New” player. Advocates sitting back and waiting for “more information.” Dislikes wordiness, apparently. Went through his games: in the two games he’s played, he was a mad hatter once and a mafia once. Both times he was virtually inactive, though he gave reasoning behind it and is ‘stepping up’ this game. Needs to start posting ideas of his own, as said by others as well as myself. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Moderate. Anti-town advocacy of “waiting for more information” is perfect for mafia. He doesn’t claim to be “new” to the game, but is reluctant to take an active role in participating. L: + Show Spoiler + Veteran player. Hasn’t posted this much this game due to fearing for his “bandwagons” starting, though I fear he’s started one on me due to his sycophant, Bill Murray, latching on. Had a few back-and-forths with Foolishness. Has started discussion on somebody, myself, and as known talking is good for the town. Very nice, if I may say so, analysis of the voting system. No anti-town actions as of yet. Suspicions? + Show Spoiler + Moderately low. L has done nothing this game that would make me think that he’s mafia other than not posting for the first day in order to ‘give other people a chance.’ Tacked on with Vivi57’s vote: Is it only upon his lack of activity that you are voting him? Personally, I found his ‘cycle’ post to be discussion-engaging and helpful. But then again, why would I be defending L you’re going to vote me instead?  Madnessman: + Show Spoiler + FoS on me, but light. Accuses KF91 on the basis of KF91 being anti-town with his sit back and relax strategy. Announces that he won’t be back until later tonight after voting is done. However, gets on to defend himself even after Bill Murray has switched his vote. Gives long defense to Bill Murray’s “random” accusation, and Bill just writes it off nonchalantly. Bad WiFOM argument. Why even include it? Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Moderately high. Gets online after saying that he wouldn’t be able to despite Bill Murray already switching his vote away. Doesn’t post after that (goes back to work?) Bad WiFOM argument in his defense. Accuses KF91 and myself based on relatively weak reasons, and doesn’t follow up on them. RebirthOfLegend I have already posted about. Vivi57: + Show Spoiler + Semi-random vote for BM based on discrepancy in playing style. Two spam posts lamenting (lol) the lack of Ace. Shifts accusation to Cynan with decent reasoning. Reads the thread after a huge break in posting, doesn’t offer any comments other than voting for L based off his ‘inactivity.’ Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Moderate. Accuses without bringing forth much original material. Large gap in posting, only to vote for L (slightly hypocritical, given that Vivi’s been just as or more so inactive as L). With 90 minutes to vote, people really need to start talking and thinking straight. I say this both as a way to spur the town on (which I have been trying to do the entirety of this game) and because I am currently the leading lynch candidate. I'm green, and if/once I'm killed off, the town loses both one of its buffer lynches and a major point of discussion sources. Specifics: @L: I want to hear your thoughts. You voted me in order to get me to talk/defend/accuse, and I did. I even drew Bill Murray into it. If you're still serious on voting for me, then I want to hear your reasoning. If not, please withdraw onto a more suitable candidate. @Bill Murray: I STILL want to hear your thoughts. You're around, or should be soon, since you noted that you would change if something drastic were to happen, meaning that you would be monitoring the thread. You've gotten more suspicious in my eyes, and I want to hear some refutations to the soft FoS I've put on you. @Foolishness: START POSTING. You have to vote, you know, and it'll be very suspicious (at least in my eyes) if you just show up to ninja-vote at the last minute without reason. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Dinner for me. Please, people, I would be very happy to see some posts when I get back... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 01 2010 09:01 flamewheel91 wrote: What do you mean, Bill. With that last statement, you've lost all credibility. I sat here for 20 minutes waiting for a detailed, well-written post on your thoughts, and instead you give me dribble. See, saying things like "you're being suspicious" and "you're not making sense" doesn't mean shit to any sensible person without you giving a reason. I'm behaving suspiciously under FoS? Your claim? You should give a reason why, else it's a worthless statement. I like how you've (ostensibly) been here the whole time, yet after 20 minutes shoot back with that last little gem of yours. Saying "I'm going to keep my vote on you unless..." is a perfect way for you to dodge activity, something the town doesn't want. Are you still randomly throwing your vote on me? Are you actually committed to a target? If you are still being random, you're a cool cat. You've contributed little and accused a lot, though your senseless accusations have drawn defenses. If you've committed, you also are doing a poor job in showing that, with your lack of reason. So far in this argument you've made one claim against me: I'm being "buddy-buddy" with Cynan. Awesome, that could be scumtell! However, I've shown with my post about you saying you're "helping L" that your reasoning is flawed and hypocritical due to similar conditions, yet you don't see me jumping on you for being mafia do you? I'll ask you again, nicely, to please explain your reasoning behind your sudden and unabated accusations against me. By dismissing what I'm saying offhand, you not only invalidate your own arguments but also cause yourself to look more untrustworthy. As a bonus, I've got my first two "analyses" done. Ironically, they are on Bill and Cynan since I'm moving down the page. Bill Murray: + Show Spoiler + As said before, Bill is playing differently, much differently this game. Admirable, I’d say—experience works wonders. No longer spamming, no longer having a shitfest with L (okay well it was actually more one-sided before with Bill trying to ingratiate himself). In particular, the lack of spamming. What does this mean? I’ve never seen Bill in a game as mafia, so I cannot fathom how he’d post. Is this new style of posting his ‘mafia style’? A general rule of thumb is to post similarly as mafia and townie, since then people can’t pull the “well he’s using a different play style.” Bill’s certainly different, and he’s drawing attention. Is he mafia trying to cover up under the guise of improvement? Is he a townie actively trying to improve I don’t know, but at least he’s stirring discussion what with his “traps” and “random votes.” Oh, he does slightly call out Foolishness, except for I read that as more of a defense for Foolishness than FoS Tacked on since the start of his little call-out on me: see above. If he is being random, while it is conducive to drawing defense, he also doesn't have to present his own ideas, nor does he commit since it's all "random." If he's committed on me (which he says he has), then he is not offering suitable reason. Suspicion up. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Relatively high, given his different posting style, his ingratiating attitude toward L, and his lack of real contribution besides randomly throwing around votes. Oh, and as I type this he’s accusing me. Wait, so you’re just jumping off what L said? Huh??? Talk about “buddy-buddy” actions… re: see what Versatile says (lol). I'm not convinced enough about Bill in order to vote him at this point (wasn't overly suspicious until his recent actions) but he's getting there. CynanMachae: + Show Spoiler + Dislikes random kills. Awesome. FoSes on RoL. Awesome as well. Checks up on KF91 to glean information. Awesome x3. Stirs some discussion with the FoS on RoL (I pick up on that, as can be seen above) and draws KF91 more into the light. I’m still suspicious of him though, despite his largely pro-town actions, due to the fact that his contributions to discussion have been minimal. He needs to start talking more and place value into being more active in the town. Suspicion? + Show Spoiler + Relatively low, given his pro-town actions. Of course, anybody can be ‘pro town,’ but Cynan is not very high on my suspect list. your whole reason for putting FoS on me is OMGUS style like you're going to vote for me because I did it to you. that is a scumtell. No. It wasn't a defense of Foolishness at all, it was showing that he is playing differently and was FoS, though he's playing differently from when he was red, so I guess that's a good thing for him? I just want him to explain his actions. I am also not randomly switching votes around. I really believe you might be red. You ask for justification, and i'll give it to you. Of all the people I have put FoS on (nearly everyone), you have squirmed the most. Bravo, considering madnessman was pretty squirmy himself. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote: your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now?  It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend## | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Dealing with Bill: Squirming involves flailing, and that's what you have done, not me. I've countered your arguments in a methodical and logical manner, and you have (until now) refrained from returning the riposte. So glad you couldn't have posted this the first time instead of looking for an obvious way out. I'm also so glad you can float around your new terms such as FoS, AtE, and OMGUS (oh look at how good Bill is now!) but you see here, I haven't voted for you. That's the key thing here, eh? Furthermore, an OMGUS attack is exactly what you're doing against me. While I argue with logic and reason, you just write off what I try to say, and just now are responding. Please note that I said you were calling out Foolishness and that I read that as a defense. Nice try twisting my words though. Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it. @Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
keep squirming. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
that's why we need to lynch you, flamewheel. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On April 01 2010 06:54 flamewheel91 wrote: tl;dr version: This is my second game playing. I changed my play style after observing games. You did the same (changed your style from posting nothing to posting a bit, that is). Accusation faulty based on double standards. Honestly, I have no problem reading your long posts or long posts in general. And the cross-examination with your previous games had very little influence, or even no influence at all when I made my voting decision. All that I stated was that your posts were needlessly long. The paragraphs could have been summed up in a couple of sentences (Except the recent ones you have posted with all your analysis; those provided some good information, I'm not going to lie.) Anyways, onto what has been happening and my thoughts... Where did L get this "string" theory? And like Cynan has stated, why does it only have to be 2 rungs apart? They could be 3 or 4 apart, or maybe one of the Mafia could be voting for their partner (Although that would put them in a VERY dangerous situation). And if L votes for madnessman, wouldn't that give us almost any combination of pairs that are participating in this match? This "string" theory could have been just made up to give an excuse to vote for flamewheel, which I think is highly probable by the observation of his posting style. I would be changing my vote right now to lynch L, but I think what BM said is true: On April 01 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am also not randomly switching votes around. I really believe you might be red. You ask for justification, and i'll give it to you. Of all the people I have put FoS on (nearly everyone), you have squirmed the most. Bravo, considering madnessman was pretty squirmy himself. This along with what Foolishness wrote in response to my vote towards you: On April 01 2010 04:19 Foolishness wrote: L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...". I think you are being way too reactive of L's vote towards you, along with how you react towards BM. I don't know if you and BM had some clashes in past mafia games, but I don't think that matters at this point. I will not be changing my vote. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 01 2010 10:23 Bill Murray wrote: i don't care if you put FoS on me. you care that i put FoS on you. THAT is squirming. You're wrong. i'm not OMGUS attacking you. you would have had to have voted for me or put FoS on me first, which you didn't. I can't help it you appear so scummy this game compared to your previous games, i'm sorry that this is the case, but i'm still going to vote for you. keep squirming. As mentioned many times already, what previous games? I've played one game on TL. So all your talk of "previous games" is negated with that, and because I've given you an explicit reason. You, however, have played multiple games here and have been a very shitty poster in this games. You've shaped up now, eh? "I can't help if you appear On April 01 2010 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: If you die and flip green, noone will give me shit over anything, as 1) you aren't going to be green; you're scum. 2) if by some low chance you are green, we will realize how scummy you were acting in comparison to your previous play. that's why we need to lynch you, flamewheel. Stop spouting hypocrisy Bill! It's not as if you're acting the same... oh wait! Tell me, how is my play "scummy?" Let's not have you write this off either. And the "low chance" you're talking about is 5/9. I'm so glad you've evolved into such a great mafia player that you can discern who mafia are with their incredibly scummy play! Be ready in half an hour to realize that you still don't have a clue, Bill.[/s] | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 01 2010 10:30 KF91 wrote: Wow, that's a lot of posts (Compared to what people were posting yesterday) that were posted while I was gone... Honestly, I have no problem reading your long posts or long posts in general. And the cross-examination with your previous games had very little influence, or even no influence at all when I made my voting decision. All that I stated was that your posts were needlessly long. The paragraphs could have been summed up in a couple of sentences (Except the recent ones you have posted with all your analysis; those provided some good information, I'm not going to lie.) Anyways, onto what has been happening and my thoughts... Where did L get this "string" theory? And like Cynan has stated, why does it only have to be 2 rungs apart? They could be 3 or 4 apart, or maybe one of the Mafia could be voting for their partner (Although that would put them in a VERY dangerous situation). And if L votes for madnessman, wouldn't that give us almost any combination of pairs that are participating in this match? This "string" theory could have been just made up to give an excuse to vote for flamewheel, which I think is highly probable by the observation of his posting style. I would be changing my vote right now to lynch L, but I think what BM said is true: This along with what Foolishness wrote in response to my vote towards you: I think you are being way too reactive of L's vote towards you, along with how you react towards BM. I don't know if you and BM had some clashes in past mafia games, but I don't think that matters at this point. I will not be changing my vote. One game. Stop using the plurality, since that makes you so obviously wrong. I react so explicitly because he wants me to talk. This town is silent, and somebody needs to be generating discussion. Turns out it was me, which is perfectly fine. If the best you can come up with is "long posts and is over reactive," so be it. If you were so dedicated to your vote, you'd go look at it. Bill Murray died the first night due to terrible posting in the one game I've played with him, and I don't believe I corresponded with him at all. You too, should be ready to own up if/when I die and flip green. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: Once again, so glad you give your justification more than an hour late. If/when I die and flip green, expect to get some shit for it. Who will we getting shit from? The rest of the town? And how about L? He casted a vote for you as well. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 01 2010 07:14 L wrote: Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up. Bolding by me. L should be posting more in this game eventually if he's town and see's that it's dead. He also hasn't been around (posted) to offer any new revelations he may have in light of events since his vote. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Alright, green townie dead. With this, L's suspicion level should jump: he placed the vote to spur discussion, yet never came back to read it, even though he knew there was going to be a defense waiting. Bill Murray is also suspicious, both because he enjoys tagging along with L (in trying to stay away from his bad side again) and with his relentless pushing. KF91 just seems like a bandwagoning townie, but not that great of a player. Remember: confirmed (dead) townie here. Go back and read posts. Good luck, town, but seeing as you're so inactive... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
you want me to take my vote off you? explain why I should vote for RoL and i'll consider it. When's the deadline? | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On April 01 2010 11:02 Bill Murray wrote: im not trying to stay away from his bad side, i am respectful of how many mafia he nabbed in mafia XX when he picked up on their voting of abenson. it was a really good job by him, and i believe that he is usually right on the money with his accusations whether or not he goes through with them is based on how the people react. you want me to take my vote off you? explain why I should vote for RoL and i'll consider it. When's the deadline? 4 minutes ago. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Zona
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The crew of the colony ship landed on the planet and setup the main pod, bringing the oxygen and water generators online. They were all in high spirits, as the start of the mission was a success, but also methodically carried out their plan to vote one among them to kill at the end of each day. Eventually, the majority of the town elected to send flamewheel91 out the airlock. The remaining crew clustered around the sensor screens and watched as he was ejected from the colony, his body quickly exploding in the darkness. But one of them shouted...no sign of mindworms appeared on the screen. They looked at each other uneasily as the rest of them caught on to the situation. The coming night would be a fearsome one. flamewheel91 the townie has been lynched. 6 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain! Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP! Final vote count for the day's lynch: 0 votes for bill murray: 0 votes for cynanmachae: 3 votes for flamewheel91 (first): kf91 l bill murray 1 vote for kf91: madnessman 2 votes for l: rebirthoflegend vivi57 0 votes for madnessman: 3 votes for rebirthoflegend: cynanmachae flamewheel91 foolishness players who have not voted: Unrecognized votes: bill murray: ##Vote: KF## | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: @Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia. The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts (even if they're bad). RoL has hardly said a thing, and we can't hold him accountable. If we want to kill Cynan tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be around to talk about it, RoL isn't a sure thing. That being said, the same thing can be said about flamewheel. Given the inactivity of this town, we need to get the mafia out of hiding. Killing off our most active poster (maybe?) is a terrible idea, as if he flips green mafia is still going to sit in the shadows (granted if he's actually mafia we got a whole new set of information but is it really worth it?). If you are still suspicious of flamewheel, bring up arguments against him tomorrow. He's going to respond, cause if he doesn't he knows he will die. More chances he's going to mess something up. However this same thing doesn't work on inactive players, which is why we can't kill flamewheel yet. | ||
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