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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 24 2010 22:16 GMT
#421
I'll be gone for quite a while, in the case of a majority lynch or a nuke being launched or Day ending everything happens as if I was right here. If you hot majority lynch the day is technically over, so any actions after that will be null. TTYL! ^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 24 2010 22:16 GMT
#422
Anyway, I gotta go to class again, seeing as I'm missing some lecture on mitosis and have a lab exam in 45 minutes.

I'll post again in about 40.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 24 2010 22:17 GMT
#423
On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them.
we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them.


Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning?
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#424
On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them.
we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them.


You are clearly against me. Abenson is offline right now, otherwise he would of posted.

Plain and simple. You don't post anything of value, and you are trying to get the only person I have confirmed killed. I will not accept this lightly. Be forewarned.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#425
OpZ, there are very few people I would consider who would be able to do something like this as mafia, mayb veterans like Incog//Bloody//Ver e.t.c I wouldn't be able to, didn't mean it to sound superior just to suggest that it's unlikely you guys would have come up with something so elaborate if you were mafia.
Adonai bless
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 24 2010 22:20 GMT
#426
On March 25 2010 06:51 Elemenope wrote:
If Abenson and OpZ are on the same side as you imply, why not lynch one and we get the validity of the other?

This is a TERRIBLE idea from the POV of the town. If you lynch one just to test their claim and it turns out they were indeed masons, you just removed their beneficial power, as the remaining mason is effectively just a normal town member afterwards. Or if there were more than 2, removing one from their circle removes a tremendous amount of benefit that they could have derived from an extra person in the discussion. And if you retort that having 3 people in a circle is almost the same as 2, all I can do is shake my head. The mason advantage is often dismissed too easily, but it's really the same advantage that mafia typically have, on a smaller scale (other than the nightkill). The big mafia advantage is information (they know their team) and coordination, contrasting directly with the town disadvantage of LACK of information, and lack of coordination. A mason group grants a small group of town members this advantage, which can be powerful if used correctly.

Also, this is DAY 1. It's not too late to wait to test things, and it's far too early to lynch claimed roles.

I don't like how you've totally developed tunnel vision on the two and won't consider anything else, especially on day 1. If you want to talk about anti-town or scummy behavior, there's some right here.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 24 2010 22:23 GMT
#427
if it were a claimed DT vs.someone a DT said came up red, then that makes sense @elemenope.

but not with this format. and not yet.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 24 2010 22:23 GMT
#428
okay if you guys think lynching either abenson or opz is bad, then who else should we vote for? i'm willing to consider someone else
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 24 2010 22:24 GMT
#429
at the rate the votes are going, there will be no majority
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 24 2010 22:24 GMT
#430
On March 25 2010 07:17 haster27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them.
we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them.


Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning?

Whether or not we have "breathing room", no lynches are horrible, they allow mafia to control who dies, and what information is revealed. If we no lynch we have ZERO chance of hitting mafia, but if we lynch, at least there is a probability that we reduce their numbers by one. As well, after a successful lynch, the town can later review how players voted when new information surfaces to learn more about each player who participated in the vote.

As for Mafia KP being one, I think it's highly likely there's a third party who also probably has a KP of 1 as well. If there's no other regular kill, this game has the potential to drag on forever with so many players.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 24 2010 22:27 GMT
#431
I am suggesting RebirthOfLegend, since he is the next best lurker. However, with less than 6 hours to go, I do think it will have to be Abenson (or L), which is against my wishes.

How about this - if you are online, reading, and willing to change your vote, post! Quote this post and reply if you must.

We need to consider if we have enough town members to change who the majority will be, or else we have to settle for Abenson or L.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 24 2010 22:28 GMT
#432
I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective.

Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority.
Adonai bless
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 24 2010 22:28 GMT
#433
On March 25 2010 07:20 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 06:51 Elemenope wrote:
If Abenson and OpZ are on the same side as you imply, why not lynch one and we get the validity of the other?

This is a TERRIBLE idea from the POV of the town. If you lynch one just to test their claim and it turns out they were indeed masons, you just removed their beneficial power, as the remaining mason is effectively just a normal town member afterwards. Or if there were more than 2, removing one from their circle removes a tremendous amount of benefit that they could have derived from an extra person in the discussion. And if you retort that having 3 people in a circle is almost the same as 2, all I can do is shake my head. The mason advantage is often dismissed too easily, but it's really the same advantage that mafia typically have, on a smaller scale (other than the nightkill). The big mafia advantage is information (they know their team) and coordination, contrasting directly with the town disadvantage of LACK of information, and lack of coordination. A mason group grants a small group of town members this advantage, which can be powerful if used correctly.

Also, this is DAY 1. It's not too late to wait to test things, and it's far too early to lynch claimed roles.

I don't like how you've totally developed tunnel vision on the two and won't consider anything else, especially on day 1. If you want to talk about anti-town or scummy behavior, there's some right here.



Tunnel vision? Who are we going to lynch? Highest votes are L and Abenson. I don't feel we should lynch L as he may have some information from all this when he comes back.

Who else am I supposed to focus on when OpZ has been making such contradictory claims and dodging posts that call him out? Especially considering if OpZ and Abenson are in fact masons: Abenson replied what....twice? three times? He may not even roleclaim as Mason either. Some great advantage we have. I only call out behavior that seems anti, and other than people not posting at all, OpZ has been making contradictions in his posts that needs to be called upon. I'd do the same to anybody else if I catch it, it's just that OpZ has been making glaringly huge ones which others have noticed as well. It's not tunnel vision at all, it's just pointing out OpZ stupidity and wanting other people's opinions on it.
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 24 2010 22:29 GMT
#434
On March 25 2010 07:27 Zona wrote:
I am suggesting RebirthOfLegend, since he is the next best lurker. However, with less than 6 hours to go, I do think it will have to be Abenson (or L), which is against my wishes.

How about this - if you are online, reading, and willing to change your vote, post! Quote this post and reply if you must.

We need to consider if we have enough town members to change who the majority will be, or else we have to settle for Abenson or L.


I'm perfectly fine with lynching an inactive if you truly believe Abenson can make a difference in this supposed mason circle.
In DotA you could
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 24 2010 22:30 GMT
#435
On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote:
I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective.

Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority.


Because we don't know they're confirmed town.

Wow, that was easy.
In DotA you could
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 24 2010 22:31 GMT
#436
On March 25 2010 07:24 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 07:17 haster27 wrote:
On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them.
we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them.


Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning?

Whether or not we have "breathing room", no lynches are horrible, they allow mafia to control who dies, and what information is revealed. If we no lynch we have ZERO chance of hitting mafia, but if we lynch, at least there is a probability that we reduce their numbers by one. As well, after a successful lynch, the town can later review how players voted when new information surfaces to learn more about each player who participated in the vote.

As for Mafia KP being one, I think it's highly likely there's a third party who also probably has a KP of 1 as well. If there's no other regular kill, this game has the potential to drag on forever with so many players.


All right. I checked your plan and I'll follow it, but I am highly skeptical about chance of getting 10 more players in time. Also, I think Ace might have expected some stupid nuke kills from the players to balance things out, but I suppose we'll know about overall KP when the night ends anyway.

##Vote: RebirthOfLegend

The new plan is to vote out RebirthOfLegend. Everyone contribute after reading this post.
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 24 2010 22:31 GMT
#437
##vote: Rebirthoflegend
In DotA you could
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 24 2010 22:31 GMT
#438
At this point I don't think we have that choice.

ATTENTION TOWN MEMBERS! IF YOU ARE ABLE TO READ THIS POST AND WILL CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR VOTE, QUOTE THIS POST AND REPLY!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 24 2010 22:32 GMT
#439
Haster, LMNOP - I hope you stick around and can change your votes back to Abenson if this thing doesn't get any traction.

Sigh...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 24 2010 22:34 GMT
#440
Lol this global town is as efficient as UN. I think I'll be able to stick around 8~10PM ish, but no more.
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