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On March 11 2010 04:16 Versatile wrote: yes, the DT who we can't confirm should step up and claim it so we can elect him mayor. and ace is not playing. i can never decide if players who play this stupid are just that stupid or mafia who are just that bad. if there are 2dts somehow, you can confirm the person claiming dt if he is elected. Second dt checks first 1, sees dt, and voila. If someone speaks up and says they aren't a dt, you lynch either one of them, and your answer to that question is solved pretty fast. Getting the dt lynched once elected prompts the mafia to basically suicide one member to off the dt, not a terrible trade off. | ||
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I do agree rcing can be risky, but its not the worst idea we could be using. | ||
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I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow. Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them. Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything. Conclusion: This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:57 Fulgrim wrote: If no greens ran for office though, you would just be handing the mafia a hitlist of the candidates that were running. You'd prob give them 1-2 confirmed blues, one of which would most likely get office if not both. Anyone who has seen a game where a dt made it into office knows how abusive it can get. I do agree however, that greens should run. In a game like this, if a dt checks a green office holder, they can just use that person as a mouth all game. Yes there is a slight chance that person could be the gf, but thats a 1 in 24 chance. I would like to hear the input of some of our "inactive" posters at the moment. The game has not been up that long, but with mayoral voting starting, It's always nice to see everyone at least semi active. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:17 CynanMachae wrote: Nah, it's not 1 in 24, since if any mafia make it it will be the GF. And yea, I also think not only blues should rnun, for those reasons but also as someone mentioned out earlier it's can be better in a lot of situations to have a pro-town verteran that is green than a blue that isn't really as experienced. the math was in reference to being GF, if they flip red you kill them, if they flip green its almost certain they are green. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:40 Zona wrote: Considering his sentence includes "the other DT"...it seems like he's claiming DT. The thing is - we probably only have one DT. It's pretty clear that hes outlining a scenario with two dt's not RCing. L will run for office in any game, and specifically said he had a fun role, that would more imply he got a KP role, or bus driver. The example of the "other dt" or "second dt" has already been used by multiple people thus far. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:25 JeeJee wrote: so L, you're not an idiot, what do you think implying "hey I'm not green" is going to accomplish, pre-election? It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:42 JeeJee wrote: yeah but nobody's dumb enough to put any weight on that claim, so i'm just wondering what his real reason was for mentioning it. mindgamez'ing the mafia? Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. On March 11 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote: Might as well roleclaim at this point so we can confirm you one way or another. Or not. You've said too much already and are a mafia target anyway. If you are DT I do not want you dead. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. | ||
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On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. It stemmed actually from an idea of DrH I believe, as the role was discussed when he wanted to host his own game. As to all the roleclaim business. Yes, I did claim to vivi, as well as two others. Now I will outline why. The importance of the DT this game seems to be alot more powerful than most games provided you can get into office. This, as it has been said before, stems from the ability to be role checked yourself (if anyone else is dt). Also, since the bodyguards are publically known, the town can medic wagon them, and slow down the mafia hit wagon. The longer I stay alive in office (if i get it) the more people that end up being checked. Everyone has to remember, that although the bus driver could be mafia aligned, he doesn't know who the mafia is. His ability is much harder to screw people around with than people believe. Remember, if the bus driver says "change player A and B" where in this case player A is the BG we are protecting. The mafia gets butt fucked as well. They target their hit to player A and it hits B as well. The only way around it is to first find the Bus driver (this could take awhile if hes mafia aligned, he could also end up being on towns side, or maybe the role isnt in the game), and then try to plan it out. Vivi claiming for me, although annoying, is slightly needed at this point though. As L has implied he was a DT, and when the chances of two in the game are low, it actually had me to the point I would of had to claim publically to begin with. If we both somehow are DT, it would be easy pretty quickly to determine, but wastes alot of time. (easiest way would be luck checking a miller). It really seems unlikely that there are two of us with the same role, and on the off chance there are, the chances of either of us living without an electoral position now are pretty well fucked. Although it kills the need of a mouth now. The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. | ||
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On March 11 2010 22:31 citi.zen wrote: So BC has not denied his roleclaim. The question is: why choose this weird way to come out? Seems it was a slip-up from vivi? But then why would BC trust vivi without a rolecheeck??? BC is a smart player who knows the importance of dts in this game. Why risk it all for one vote??? It makes no sense if BC really is dt to take that risk in a pm. Any comments BC?? As i said in my super large post i just made. I am a player who without constant protection will typically get offed earlier rather than later. Especially in a game where as incog stated earlier (believe it was him) that the big names this game are me, L, incog himself, malongo, foolishness. With a few more recognizable names, we have slightly more sway at least at first. So those of us without protection typically die faster, be it by mafia hitting us at night, or town lynching. As for trusting vivi with it, it was a simple choice. Choose 3 people, claim, see reactions. When your not planning on living long unless you get bg protection, and even then, I would have claimed instantly if i got into office, the end result is the same, my role is still known. At least in PM's (although in this case IM's) I would get reactions to give some form of information to the town with. I'm pretty well just doing an all in move that gets me a bit more protection, or dead instantly. | ||
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On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote: I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing. | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:28 citi.zen wrote: Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans? Yes | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:04 XeliN wrote: Incog when the players are being assigned roles are they given with that in mind, i.e. making sure both town and mafia have veteran players or is it simply random? Depends on the host | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:14 Zona wrote: oops...and I can't edit to remove that and remove my "shame". Well to make this post useful: Since there's only 3 people running serious campaigns, and the mafia is likely to have organized a campaign for one of their own - which one (or more) of the current candidates does everyone think is a bit fishy? Also keep in mind that all three of us ran semi quickly. Mafia will usually wait to field someone unless the person running is someone who always runs for office. That still keeps the suspicion on me and L as we typically always run, but mafia don't always run people for office. | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:11 flamewheel91 wrote: Completely randomized through a number generator. We know from the mod himself, that he didn't balance teams in a sense (or at least is saying he didnt). Having a mafia in office this game only fucks us if hes mayor. And even then a dt role checks him and outs him. It's alot riskier this game for them to be in office if they can get outed instantly. Yes this means the GF could run, but depending on the role he takes on, or based on posting behaviour, this still screws the mafia. Putting the GF out in the limelight is seriously rough. As for your activity point. I think that its hard to judge at the moment. Based on posting, I know im town, and have roleclaimed (even if earlier than I intended), meanwhile, both Incog and L seem to be town as well. This game seems to be slower as it appears as if the mafia has no idea how to discredit us. I think that should be obvious. Yes I'm a nonvoter, I am still deciding on who is best to vote for, I am leaning towards L at the moment though. Now as a question I have for you. Your a veteran player yourself, just as capable of being red for the same reason you outlined of us in your post above. What makes you a better candidate when you have offered no plan on how to even proceed. | ||
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He could appear to be playing like chez! | ||
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Jeejee is being lynched day 1 unless incog pardons. I was originally going to off a coin flip of malongo/versatile, but since Jeejee was pming me (and i am assuming others) to do a vote swing last minute against L. I have decided to kill him for it. Green or not, it seems like a very desperate move from a) a mafia or b) a really terrible player. | ||
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On March 13 2010 17:09 Zona wrote: I'm wondering this as well. Although any discussion of this choice now will be tinged by the fact he was town, I would still like to hear your thought process that led to this decision. What are the things you considered scummy (behind his last minute voting stuff?) And also, what are your cases against your other possible lynch candidates Malongo and Versatile? Well, since it's day 1, probably not real cases, but what led you to consider them relatively more scummy than everyone else? The reason for jeejee is simple. As town, attempting a very last minute vote swing is insanely stupid. Just doing it yourself can be retarded, but getting others on board is terrible. L, much like myself, has put himself out into the open far to much so early if he was mafia. Just as I have. Him attempting this last second vote although maybe not the shadiest of things, was insanely terrible play, and also shows he will push his own agenda before that of a town concensus. That behaviour is insanely counter productive. My reasoning for versatile and malongo is just been a lack of substantial posting that I would expect out of both of them. Especially if they are town. Day 1 is usually hard to get red, so I am not sure on either of them, but just expect more. | ||
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On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: someone actually killed Vivi Night 1? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rofl, why would you hit vivi day 1 | ||
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As for the mafia hits, Massive hilarity. I will have a more comprehensive post up hopefully soon, but as I said, may take me awhile to do. | ||
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and sidesprang/madnessman for being retards | ||
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On March 14 2010 13:44 madnessman wrote: I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd? Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote. And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one? Not believing people's claim is all find and good. Its normal to not believe till someone proves it. However, when people literally at the very last few minutes of a vote attempt to swing it. It appears scummy. If a green is doing it, its still a bad move. L is right, JeeJee's stunt was terrible. It doesn't matter that L would have or wouldn't have been in office from it. By causing a vote swing that late shows terrible play. It just can't be tolerated, ever. | ||
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. As a DT, any people who show up as red to a check will be instantly released. Anyone who is blue I will first push to prove their role, Once it is proven they will join the town circle. Any greens I find I will most likely just put in contact with other greens, and give them important information as needed. The list of blues however does not get publically announced, nor who has what role. That just gives free shots to mafia. The less they know, the better. At least for now. On March 15 2010 06:29 Versatile wrote: also, don't randomly call out players as potential lynch candidates and then not respond when they address your allegations. if you couldn't be bothered to follow up, it reads like you were trying to get a bandwagon going on someone who wouldn't be around to defend themselves. As this could easily refer to me. I mentioned the post that I am currently in the middle of typing up, and someone asked me for people I believe could be red, as such I gave names. Within the next hour I will have my post up on who I think is red and why. Just need the bit of time to sort my thoughts. | ||
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On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. Because in a game like this, the information I gather isn't something you want posted immediately. For instance. I say x and y are clear. guess what that means, the mafia knows people Who I am most likely directly talking with. The list I am building with confirmed townies + blues is one of those things that giving to the mafia or publically giving will allow blue snipes to happen alot faster. Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with. | ||
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On March 15 2010 08:40 citi.zen wrote: Agreed, no public circle now. It can easilybe killed off . Also, please remember bus drivers will always come up blue, even when Mafia aligned Well aware of this fact, you can never confirm their alignment, but can easily confirm the role. | ||
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On March 15 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: That seems fair enough and Incognito would probably call you out quite quickly if you were lying on that, you still haven't given reasons why you listed me as a potential lynch candidate though? its coming in a post im writing, it will be up in about 20 | ||
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These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler + He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate. I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played. DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on. Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me). Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts? He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing. Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now. Abenson + Show Spoiler + The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia. ~opz~ + Show Spoiler + Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love. GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised. Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do! First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. | ||
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On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. Finally you come out and post. Stop hiding away from the world so much. A) I am currently on a tossup between abenson and ~opz~. My current vote was placed purely in the off chance shit happened and I was away from my computer for the entire vote duration. Unlikely, but required regardless. As for L, he seems town sided, but I believe another day + a check on him will clear that up. B) I am doing very similar job that I do in every game. I garner info then post with it. You mention L is doing a better job, but most of the posts were defending my own lynch target, followed by him wanting BM to die. I gave my reason on the lynch kill, and as I haven't yet made up my own mind on who I want dead, its safer to not push at someone yet? My job this game is to clear innocents and narrow down the red. Any information from this that won't fuck the town over by handing a list of people to mafia will be handed to the town, simple as that. Just as if you were about to lynch someone I've cleared, I would stop it there. As for the game in question that you are referring to. Keep in mind that the mafia convinced 2 people to stack votes on me to off me, and that the mafia who screwed the entire town over, was someone I had been advocating to kill off from almost day 1. You stepping up to be pseudo mayor wasn't even because I wasn't trying, it was because due to circumstances involving L's death combined with one failed analysis on a player led to me discrediting myself. On March 15 2010 09:42 Foolishness wrote: Not to mention, your "random list of suspects" and your "general feeling without grounds" is total bullshit. What does that even me? "Oh hey guys this is who I think we should lynch...but I actually have no idea or any information so just do whatever I'm sure it'll work out". That's honestly what it sounded like when I read your post. And what do you mean "better not off trying to go anywhere with it"? If you honestly cared about the town winning, you would try to go somewhere with it. You would try to make these people speak up and defend themselves. You would stop these people from being inactive. Your post basically said "I think these people are suspicious....but it's cool if they don't say anything about it". Intuition isn't something you can just explain. Or I would just say x seems mafia because I sense he is, believe in the power. As I have stated earlier in this thread, the DT's job is to build the list of confirmed townies + find red. We all agreed the best spot for a DT was in an elected position. So I am playing exactly as I said I would. If you don't like it, well you knew exactly what you were getting based on my opinions of how the DT should play before I claimed. On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. first half of my candidacy post. As I feel confident on lynch targets, or as I find reds via checks, the more Centered I will be. However, as the DT, if I start randomly forcing lynches on people who flip green, I'll be offed. | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: And to further suspicion against myself, BC, you missed a post. I asked who was RC'd by our "detectives," you and L, specifically. I don't like how L flip flopped around his claim. "other dt." I'm not condemning him, I just agree with bm, and citizen, L looks suspicious as fuck. Read the thread, specifically the last page and top of this one and you will see why the RC findings arent released. | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: 6 would be, yourself, vivi, fulgrim, and the person you dt checked....that's 4....Not 6... Others could be lying. =/ The others claimed via pm maybe? vivi fulgrim jeejee myself, busdriver, and the person i checked. simply put, 6 | ||
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On March 16 2010 01:18 Versatile wrote: wtf is this shyt. you get a bandwagon going on someone and then change your vote without calling for others to change their vote as well? when you're the reason many of them are voting that way? we should be lynching you for being the most worthless mayor. A bandwagon started on someone I said I wasn't fully sold on, then a bunch of people hop on that train without explaining the reason. Especially given the case against him, there should have been more reasoning by others for the vote. As barely anyone has given a reason, it seems more likely that hes green getting pushed into death. The fact people will hop on any bandwagon I make without a reason for it other than "well he did it" is a terrible reason. If people want to justify their vote for abenson, or swap to someone else and explain it sure. But don't just follow my lead to avoid actually playing. Thats pure laziness. As for why I opted to swap to malongo, Incog made some good points essentially calling malongo out, and the guy hasn't even showen up to defend himself. That is less actively and far less helpful than the guy everyones currently jumping on. | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote: also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"? that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:51 Bill Murray wrote: Why wouldn't they be? I am a confirmed townie. No your not a confirmed townie. Anyone pming you is retarded | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:58 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I know I'm a townie. Rolecheck me if you want to mister mayor. Sadly for you, my check is going elsewhere. Maybe tommorrow. | ||
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On March 16 2010 11:01 Zona wrote: Tell us - are you looking for mafia or are you looking to build a town circle? You haven't responded at all to my proposed plan, with reasoning, for you. At the very least BC, as mayor you should be discussing what people propose. I am very displeased at how little you are interacting with the town's opinions in public. Most of the towns opinion is reiterating the same arguments. Some I have dealt with once, and see no point repeating. As for Who i am checking. I have had another player RC a role I have already found. As the chances of two of them are insanely low, it means potentially one is lying. Once that is done, findings will be released. | ||
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On March 16 2010 11:09 Zona wrote: Well for one thing, you haven't said anything about my proposed plan, one way or another, which was specifically meant for you. Good to have you on the record on how you plan to use your powers. I will follow up on this the next day. You have mentioned how you would want me to act yes. However, at this time (as i have stated before) the way I am going about it is by far the safest option. I don't know what else you want me to say. I am following a set path that I proposed from day 1 even before I claimed on how a DT should act. I can appreciate the criticism of it, but you knew what you were getting. I do agree with one of your previous posts however that if the mafia wanted to get rid of me, they would really be pushing for it. On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote: ummm, no @ BM. i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing. as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats. clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up. my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. Posts like that for instance. This is a game many red have played before. Rather than catch someone actually giving away a tell as red, they instead just say "elected officials" are red and off them. Let me put something as a general perspective. Mafia rarely runs multiple candidates. It does do this, but rarely. Malongo was one of those runners, then just died. Chances of any of the other candidates being red where although there, is not as likely in this game format. Remember, if one gets elected, you make him the gf and you go on safely. Run multiples in this format (even if both were to be elected) and one still gets flagged. Think with your head please | ||
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I am checking people who I have inclinations of having roles. If they flip red, i have them lynched, if I get back blue or green, they go on a seperate list and work with them from there. Catching reds is the overall game, but clearing innocents is just as important. Anycheck can do either or. Also clearing townies works towards catching red as its one more person they arent. | ||
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On March 17 2010 07:29 Bill Murray wrote: I'm green, though, so it will make him look good. If he's green or blue, great. If he's red, that's not good L. I don't believe he's red, but I don't know who are red and who are green, so I can't write anyone off. Quote from sidesprang: Why are you so worried about Malongo, and why were you so late to post your archives? I'm not sure if you're red or not, but this needs to be explained. You had no reason to be worried about him. Were you trying to put suspicion on him? I hope you were. At first, I figured this made you look green, but then it made me mistake you more for talking about him at all. I guess I'm being hypocritical. Just the wording you used was different from mine. You feel bad he's not posting, whereas I was saying he was my highest suspect on my list of who could possibly be red (I expect it of everyone but myself). Thanks for quoting incognito retard  | ||
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On March 17 2010 07:43 Bill Murray wrote: well, that makes more sense. we were actively talking about him. sidesprang didn't really quote his archives well, in my defense. You tried to use a quote that sidesprang didn't actually make, to then try and throw him under a bus. Thats a pretty big mistake. | ||
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On March 17 2010 08:06 Bill Murray wrote: I spam as green. Your spamming way to much, quit it | ||
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On March 17 2010 08:14 Bill Murray wrote: Of course I know what I quoted, it was good writing that I want people to read. Let me be your scapegoat, L, when you're much more obviously hurt about gettin offed in caller's game buddy No you have fucked up twice in the last two pages, seriously. Just stop now | ||
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On March 17 2010 11:09 johnnyspazz wrote: so i think i should tell everyone this he fake roleclaimed mafia aligned bus driver to me last night and i immediately informed the top 3 players i then pm'd citizen pretending to be the bus driver to so that i could become the messenger between him and iaaan and catch two mafia aligned players but i think this plan failed You really should share your entire list of PM's if your just going to show that one. Or should I? | ||
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From two days worth of checks, 5 peoples roles have been cleared through. We also have the dead people as a set of people to count off. that is 11 of 25 players confirmed via check or death. Anyone feel like stepping up and RCing is more than welcome. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote: L, how about this: lynch me today. If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on. If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town. I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching. you make no allowance for being green? thanks for confirming you have a role of some sorts | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote: Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me. There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens. I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones. Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning. We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons. Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs. Seriously, that move is self expainatory. He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:36 citi.zen wrote: LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-) Roleclaim your role as you just claimed blue/red, and I claimed to incog before running for election. Or shall you be on the chopping block next | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:42 citi.zen wrote: I did not dodge anything. I made a simple statement, which I stand by. I hope the rest of the town paid attention, that is all. You soft claimed as a way to counter kill a confirmed blue. You didnt say "hey if i flip green, disregard post" you specifically outlined that you were red or blue. That itself implies role, IE GF, mafia, and as we have 5 cleared blues (yes alignment on BD's cannot be confirmed) it seems highly unlikely however, that there are many more. Haven't figured out which blue to claim yet that wont lead in your lynch hmm? | ||
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On March 20 2010 14:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Oops. From what I've recalled, you've been written up as female in mafia posts............ >.> :p stop trying to find tl women to stalk | ||
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On March 21 2010 01:39 XeliN wrote: Was clever swapping Bloody for someone Incog, I was under the impression that you had used your abilities already and we almost double hit him last night, I suggested either that or hitting L, Iaaan or Madnessman (After my semi fake post about being upset with bloody//incog for taking over he wrote "shit I feel bad now" which kinda said he was blue) The only ones i think who knew he hadn't used his second bus were myself, him and madnessman. Madnessman claimed dt to incog day 2 (not sure why he didnt claim L) and that led to incog "busing". he told me who to check, and told him who to check and told each one of us that we were being bussed to see what we would turn up as answers. Also, why did you guys not discredit the hell out of me day 1? Edit: Since I can post it now. Fishball, vivi and incog were the people I claimed to day 1. After I was elected both incog and L roleclaimed to me, and we just took it from there | ||
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second swap not so much Also as a funny note. Fishball told me who he swapped in his first use (he lied about it), then foolishness claimed to have protected zona, so said he had to have been bus'd. We instantly knew one was either red or mafia bus driver. Good times :p We also knew the 4 remaining mafia (provided neither L or I was gf) was in the following list as of last night versatile tree.hugger nemy sidesprang xelin foolishness iaaan l10f | ||
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When I flipped DT, and incog and L were confirmed as a bus driver and Hatter. I figured there would be one more blue at most (prob vet or second driver). Having two dts, a med and a vet, and multiple drivers was just too much for this. Mafia had to many things that could prevent night hits whereas town had equal KP in one night as mafia. Was still fun, but way to many blues were in this game. | ||
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On March 21 2010 10:54 XeliN wrote: Fairly high so feel the need to make useless posts but wanted to say BloodyCobbler really seems good at this game, remember early on he very quickly called me out as being mafia and although his main argument at the time seemed to be based on just his impression I remember thinking it was impressive, would get my nomination for best player this game. As other people have mentioned L's attitude as well i'll agree, think you need to be less forceful//antagonistic I also kept trying to get people to bus me onto tree.hugger since i just "felt" he was red. Incog and I had 10f as some form of non green role for awhile, but we were unsure of if he was medic like the claim we got. Foolishness was a "well we know he posts later in the game" so got a few days of leeway, then he made some pretty odd posts and vanished, so he got a bomb on him, then he claimed medic and basically offered himself up on the "lets get lynched" train. All I did this game really though was make a list and as I checked people, or they died I put them on a list, and slowly narrowed the list of what people I didnt have confirmed, and those I did. As you can see, end of day 3, 8 names, and knew have were mafia. Not to bad for a day 3 go :p | ||
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On March 21 2010 10:54 XeliN wrote: Fairly high so feel the need to make useless posts but wanted to say BloodyCobbler really seems good at this game, remember early on he very quickly called me out as being mafia and although his main argument at the time seemed to be based on just his impression I remember thinking it was impressive, would get my nomination for best player this game. As other people have mentioned L's attitude as well i'll agree, think you need to be less forceful//antagonistic You were on my list almost the entire game :p | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:00 XeliN wrote: Just out of interest what was your opinion on me later on in the game after i tried harder to come across as town? I still had you as red. I was originally checking you last night till L messaged me at like the last second to swap to opz. you just put yourself out to early on a radar. I also had dubbed anyone trying to really criticize me on day two on legitmacy of being a dt a idiot. (I'll go more into this). Then you were "vocal" but primarily in defending Bm to a degree and going after me. :p as such I figured you more as red since you would want me offed more than anyone else would.However, I am surprised that you guys didn't try to sacrifice someone to off me day 1. Soon as I claimed DT, one of your team should have jumped up and down to try and discredit me then. It would have gotten a few people from the town on board as well and possibly prevented me from getting elected, or caused enough doubt day 2 or 3 to get me killed. Letting the claim go unchallenged was so terrible, especially bad as both L and I claimed day 1. He was pushed for not claiming his specific role, while I was left alone. Also, anyone should have realized that his style of posting was begging to be hit and had him pegged as hatter/vet, then as soon as he offered to get lynched should have put him instantly down as hatter. Overall this game, you guys as mafia were too complacent. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:05 XeliN wrote: lol again post before you, pre-empive question answering is a nice talent toi have haha. I guess :p. Please also note, that most of what I ignored for responses to most posts is really because the answers were already stated, or just not needed. I know I should have led more actively. But realistically with this format, all I had to do was say "wait for me to finish my checks" and the longer i was protected, the easier it was to destroy. Game was way to town favoured. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:13 XeliN wrote: Felt pretty guilty in regards to BM, we even played games on iccup together and were chatting together about the game, felt like an evil manipulator xD IF BM didn't spam so much useless posts that no one wanted to read, he would be fairly decent. He has the potential to be very good, but he just spams a bit to much If he could learn to cut it back he would do so well. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:21 flamewheel91 wrote: Haha yeah--blue roles aren't that fun, in my opinion. Honestly though, I was just thinking about how one medic would have a hell of a time protecting people with bus drivers thrown in, which I believed would have led to blue sniping instead of the mafia always hitting green (I don't understand why the hitlists were as they were, but meh.) With the two public bodyguards, I had pretty much thought that the medic would be tied up protecting either important targets (like L) or the bodyguards (which is essentially what happened--L was protected first two nights and then BGs die.) On the first night, I was really surprised that L didn't get doublestacked, which would've been massively hilarious, or as I recall L saying to me in XVIII: "because we (the mafia) are such cool cats" when Ver was doublestacked. Also: Fishball for MVP, baller switch on d3 and Zona led to the mafia having a winning situation for the next period of time, and BM's lynch should've put them ahead (hmm and then during night two more townies hit?) The roles flipped how they did due to the random number generator, and being the type of person that accepts all kinds of luck (good, bad, otherwise) I just left it as is. Yeah, it was imbalanced, but some games tend to be. All in fun in games though, right? I had hoped that the three "leaders"--Incognito, BloodyC0bbler, and L would try to kill each other. [I actually recall an instant when I asked Incognito over ICQ "what's your next step?" and he replied "get BloodyC0bbler killed."] Mafia, threadwise at least, were very quiet... and that just lead to the town being more controlled. Once again, even with the imbalanced start the two bodyguards dying during the night would've put the town in a bad situation, since neither BC nor madnessman had released their check results threadwise. Overall, I'm just glad that people enjoyed the game, even though thread activity dropped pretty low due to things like death and spring break (mlah.) Sorry again for the imba setup, and I believe the next game I host will have no gimmicks. Yeah, Madnessman claimed to incog and since incog thinks like I do balance wise, he instantly thought I was fake. However, he let me prove myself before offing me first Mafia lost this mainly due to letting Me, Incog and L do what we wanted with very little pushing, and we just either ignored or bullied the town objectors into submission. Their play this game was too idle. Also, wtf at their hits? | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote: Think he makes a big mistake that I also do, specially in my first game as town, in thinking too much about the game from his own perspective and not objectively Meh, you can take it from your perspective, but when you really just spam a thread with a bunch of one liners, people just want you to die, regardless of what your are saying. Combined with the fact most of those posts didn't contribute much other than "I will flip green" it just wants him dead more. However, he did point at malongo, and yourself. Pretty sure with a bit more work he could be good. | ||
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