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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Points to be taken, iGrok is right, Meapak went inactive in his game, ban or no ban inactivity would still warrant a ban via our mafia ban list. He should also have some right to defend himself and appeal his ban, and that should be taken up with iGrok when he gets back. Next, if iGrok doesn't like it, THEN allow him to appeal. But we should have him banned until iGrok decides on Meapak's fate. No one should be appealing for him as of yet. I guess I'll have the dissenting opinion on this. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On February 02 2012 03:03 iGrok wrote: I have not followed Purgatory, but posting after death and editing are against the rules every game (though gg posts are allowed - Role can you link to it please?) The main posts are these. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=63#1256 My edit. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=64#1274 I posted a picture. Something I rarely do, and somehow did in a game where it was disallowed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=90#1792 my goodbye post. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On February 03 2012 00:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The main posts are these. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=63#1256 My edit. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=64#1274 I posted a picture. Something I rarely do, and somehow did in a game where it was disallowed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=90#1792 my goodbye post. Honestly RoL, I thought he was doing that as a joke.... edit: Banning you that is. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:45 iGrok wrote: Yeah, IMO a warning would suffice. But then again, apparently my opinion doesn't mean shit According to the OP, you, as a host do matter. But a hosts opinion if irrational needs to have some sort of balancing power so your say isn't final if its really controversial. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:32 ~OpZ~ wrote: Honestly RoL, I thought he was doing that as a joke.... edit: Banning you that is. Well, I understand where he is coming from. I just fundamentally disagree on punishing for the sake of punishment. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On February 03 2012 03:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: According to the OP, you, as a host do matter. But a hosts opinion if irrational needs to have some sort of balancing power so your say isn't final if its really controversial. Is calling for 2 games instead of 1 when Meapak was demonstrably on TL and could have informed the host an irrational opinion? More so should be that an inactivity ban is not applied until the player is present again | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On February 03 2012 05:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well 2 games I wouldn't think is that bad considering the options. But at first you were requesting a maximum ban which is like 5 games, which for a non behavior offense is a bit extreme. And after I thought about it for a while, I realized that my gut instinct was wrong, and changed my request to 2 games. However, Meapak is listed under super secret probation. Why? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I think if anything, we should decide on the length of the ban in Meapak's absence, and then when he returns, give him the opportunity to appeal it if he was facing extraordinary circumstances that wouldn't allow him to notify the host that he was withdrawing from the game. As well, we don't even know if he'll come back or not after his ban is over, or if he'll end up asking for it to be reduced. So, it seems better to have some initial ban length set, and then we can return to this later if we have to. Meapak even can't sit out any games until he gets back to TL, and in that case, he can make the decision to just take the punishment, or try to get it changed. So, having a ban number doesn't change much until he gets back, and avoids complications that not setting one could introduce. I say treat him like any other player who simply disappeared during a game and we don't know where they are. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On February 03 2012 13:58 dreamflower wrote: Newbie Mini Mafia III has ended, and the only modkill was TheFearedBeing, who signed up to play but never made a post after the game began. He should get the usual one-game ban, though I have my doubts that he's coming back anytime soon. He should go on Super-Secret Probation. Inactivity kill, right? | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'll sit out sleeper cell 2 or newbie 3 if that's possible. Why did you put Hammer or Mini on the list? Newbie 3 is finished. | ||
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WhoIsTylerDurden
United States17 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On February 03 2012 18:59 WhoIsTylerDurden wrote: your all terribad, Mafia is weak sauce wat? + Show Spoiler + GM we need work here :S | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On February 03 2012 14:05 iGrok wrote: He should go on Super-Secret Probation. Inactivity kill, right? Calm down iGrok and stop sniping. We get it you are annoyed that no one backed your 5 game ban and then you move it to two and no one has gotten around to fixing it. I think most can agree two game ban is fair, give it to him and let's all come back to it if meapak wishes to appeal a 1 game instead of 2. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On February 03 2012 17:28 rgTheSchworz wrote: Why did you put Hammer or Mini on the list? Newbie 3 is finished. Too many mini games at once! On February 03 2012 06:09 iGrok wrote: And after I thought about it for a while, I realized that my gut instinct was wrong, and changed my request to 2 games. However, Meapak is listed under super secret probation. Why? I haven't given my opinion up to this point but I'm honestly somewhat offended that Meapak did this. It takes all of thirty seconds to post "real life problems, have to go sorry" in a thread or as a PM to somebody. Though if it were a unilateral decision for me to make, I would only give him the regular ban. Unless we're playing favorites, there really is no difference between him going inactive and some first-timer going inactive. Justice is blind. Though more people said to deal with it after Meapak comes back, so that's where he is right now. On February 03 2012 13:58 dreamflower wrote: Newbie Mini Mafia III has ended, and the only modkill was TheFearedBeing, who signed up to play but never made a post after the game began. He should get the usual one-game ban, though I have my doubts that he's coming back anytime soon. Oookay. On February 04 2012 04:51 chaos13 wrote: Sitting out Normal Mini Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=4#66 Okay. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On February 02 2012 02:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You should change it to non existent. None of those infractions are even remotely serious. I went 24 hours without posting because I had shit to do and a day cycle is 48-72 hours, so I never went a full day cycle without posting. I have to sleep then work for 8 hours then usually had stuff to do afterwards. I wasn't by any means inactive with 4-5 pages of filter. You need to look at the whole, not a specific instance for inactivity. I could probably find several end game players with less posts than me. Once again, a long day and I come home write a post and fuck up tags. It was a huge post. I went into the edit screen to copy it and was trying to preview the post and hit the wrong button. A simple mistake. The picture thing, well I guess you have me there. but all I posted when I died with "gg gl" which doesn't do anything to effect the game. While ultimately I don't really care how this ends up since I am not playing for the next four months rules should be flexible, not rigid. Nothing I did negatively effected the game and none of it was done with any level of malice. In those scenarios trying to ban a player is silly and doing it simply off principle is ridiculous. It's banning for the sake of banning and enforcing arbitrary rules. As an aside, every rule I broke was outside the realms of normality and while ignorance isn't an excuse for breaking a rule, it does infer that the rule is silly. It's like me putting a rule in Hammer that you can't use mafia acronyms/slang and banning for it. You managed to break four of the games rules, and expect to get out of it scot free? You should have respected the host and complied to the rules of the game. I support a ban. On Meapak, ban now, and force him to follow it up. | ||
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