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On January 29 2012 15:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hosts discretion on whether or not to ban, but I don't know if you can request bans that don't follow the guide lines unless its an overt behavior issue. iGrok, do you need a sub?
Sub has been taken care of, and a second player has expressed interest in being a sub, should the need arise again.
Historically, if a Player requests replacement with insufficient reason, he is warned or banned. If he is modkilled due to inactivity, he is banned. We do not wait for the player to come back and say why he was inactive before we add him to the ban list.
I like Meapak, and I respect his mafia abilities, but I'm treating this exactly as I would if I were requesting a ban for a random scrub or Hot_Bid. He should be added to the banlist as "Modkilled for Inactivity".
Having searched the banlist, I find no bans or warnings for Meapak in the past. With this in mind, and having thought through this longer, I reduce the request to two games.
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On January 29 2012 16:14 Ver wrote:
Don't think any judgment should be passed til meapak can reply himself.
in 90 days
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On January 29 2012 16:14 Ver wrote:
Don't think any judgment should be passed til meapak can reply himself.
Agreed. I think we should try to avoid making a rash decision without knowing the circumstances surrounding Meapak's request.
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On January 29 2012 16:14 Ver wrote:
Don't think any judgment should be passed til meapak can reply himself.
It should be on his record in some way shape or form, and who's to say we will remember in 90 days time?
Put it in now, and let him follow it up if he cares to.
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There is no particular need to hear from Meapak. The situation should be treated as if he wasn't banned on request but rather simply disappeared and thus he should receive a standard inactivity ban. The fact he requested a ban doesn't appear to make the situation any more blameworthy than just disappearing for a few days and missing votes. Moreover, the reason for inactivity doesn't particularly matter especially when it's clear he could have informed the host but chose not to. Of course it's unlikely for someone like meapak to act like this without a good reason, but still the ban won't be long (1 game?) and is reasonable given the circumstances. Due to not informing the hosts despite having an opportunity to do so, it is very unlikely for any explanation to absolve him from the responsibility.
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The host is asking for a longer ban than usual for an inactivity modkill. That is why I think we need to hear from Meapak. I agree that 1 game is justified pretty much regardless of the circumstances.
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USA5860 Posts
I told meapak if he wants he can use my account to respond. Assuming he checks TL and is still logged in he should receive the PM even if he is banned.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Going to check this tonight.
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From Purgatory Mafia:
xsksc - inactivity ban - 1 game
RebirthOfLeGenD...hrm...
- warned for inactivity
- edited a post
- posted a picture
- posted after death with a ??? flip even though I explicitly warned players against doing so
If it were someone else, it would be an easy decision - request a ban
...which means that if I am to uphold my principle that I treat all players the same way...
I must request a ban for RoL - 1 game (since the warning is from a zillion years ago)
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USA5860 Posts
You should change it to non existent. None of those infractions are even remotely serious. I went 24 hours without posting because I had shit to do and a day cycle is 48-72 hours, so I never went a full day cycle without posting. I have to sleep then work for 8 hours then usually had stuff to do afterwards. I wasn't by any means inactive with 4-5 pages of filter. You need to look at the whole, not a specific instance for inactivity. I could probably find several end game players with less posts than me.
Once again, a long day and I come home write a post and fuck up tags. It was a huge post. I went into the edit screen to copy it and was trying to preview the post and hit the wrong button. A simple mistake.
The picture thing, well I guess you have me there. but all I posted when I died with "gg gl" which doesn't do anything to effect the game. While ultimately I don't really care how this ends up since I am not playing for the next four months rules should be flexible, not rigid. Nothing I did negatively effected the game and none of it was done with any level of malice. In those scenarios trying to ban a player is silly and doing it simply off principle is ridiculous. It's banning for the sake of banning and enforcing arbitrary rules.
As an aside, every rule I broke was outside the realms of normality and while ignorance isn't an excuse for breaking a rule, it does infer that the rule is silly. It's like me putting a rule in Hammer that you can't use mafia acronyms/slang and banning for it.
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I have not followed Purgatory, but posting after death and editing are against the rules every game (though gg posts are allowed - Role can you link to it please?)
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I love how you guys still shit all over each other constantly like your upholding some jedi council code.
User was warned for this post
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Seriously though guys, can we not be reporting each other? -_-
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
It's an entirely disrespectful post. Don't forget that TL Mafia is still part of Teamliquid. While we enjoy a great deal of autonomy some stuff should not be allowed to pass.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Okay going through shit now.
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Hello, everyone! As your friendly manager of the TL Mafia Central Library, where you can find links to many helpful, educational, historical, and entertaining Mafia resources, I'd like to remind any players who would like to reduce their bans that you can contribute three (3) game records of past Mafia games to the Mafia Library. Completing this task will decrease your ban count by one. (A template for game records can be found here.) You will need to include a summary, which may require reading the game if you didn't participate in or observe it yourself.
This deal was offered previously by Foolishness as described in this post. As of yet, though, no one has contributed any game records with the aim of lowering their ban count. The offer is still open to anyone on the ban list who would rather contribute game records than sit out games!
Thanks! Please let me know if you have any questions.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:We haven't, and I was just about to propose a change to that. It sucks that you will get a three game ban when it's your second ban, even though your first ban was a year ago and only happened because the new MLP episode had you so excited that you forgot to vote but you've played 30 games without incident since then. So, it could be cool if there could be some mechanic in place for that, maybe 10 games without incident should erase an earlier ban? All of this should of course be up to the player herself/himself to track, the player could come in here with a list of games and flamewheel would know if there was an offence in those games, 'cause he manages the banlist  -e I also like Mattchew's approach to this more than flamewheel's, one game ban because he broke the rules isn't a lot he can probably play again in a couple of weeks. With a system like the one I propose above in place he wouldn't have to deal with old bans coming back to bite him in the ass later if he just behaves from now on
Time depreciation would be nice, and I like your suggestion. Of course, the number is malleable. Will think about it more.
On January 25 2012 07:05 igabod wrote:
sitting out BC's arkham asylum
Noted.
On January 28 2012 16:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I guess a ban on NetStalker is warranted since he joined but never posted in Hammer. But he was a 2 post user, probably not even worth the banlist clutter.
Justice is blind.
On January 29 2012 16:14 Ver wrote:
Don't think any judgment should be passed til meapak can reply himself.
Super secret probation list. He's not even going to be around for another 80-odd days.
On January 30 2012 15:29 Coagulation wrote:
sitting out bcs game
Noted.
On February 01 2012 13:39 Zona wrote:
From Purgatory Mafia:
xsksc - inactivity ban - 1 game
RebirthOfLeGenD...hrm...
- warned for inactivity
- edited a post
- posted a picture
- posted after death with a ??? flip even though I explicitly warned players against doing so
If it were someone else, it would be an easy decision - request a ban
...which means that if I am to uphold my principle that I treat all players the same way...
I must request a ban for RoL - 1 game (since the warning is from a zillion years ago)
Noted for xsksc. I agree with RebirthofLeGenD though. I haven't read the game (nor do I plan on doing so unless the situation becomes dire) but if you really believe in this, please keep discussing.
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