TL Mafia XV - Page 31

On October 25 2009 01:54 redtooth wrote:
how long is night? im bored. nothings really happening.

On October 25 2009 01:57 Qatol wrote:

Night ends in 8 hours or when we get all the night actions in. We do not have all the night actions in yet, so right now I'm saying 8 hours.

On October 25 2009 01:37 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Obviously if you weren't elected mayor or pardoner you can't be mafia because mafia are capable of swaying the votes so they would make sure that non-mafia didn't get elected.

On October 25 2009 02:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace the Vet plan as I proposed was two prong, you said yourself that a sane DT becomes very powerful in this game. What we are aiming for is this. Sane DT's and an established blue.

We now have checks available, so what we are trying to do is establish DT sanity while putting the vet plan in motion. The first thing we do is select a lynch candidate NOW. Motbob is IA because his grandfather died, and statistically there is about a 3/4th chance he is either red or blue.

Tomorrow unless we somehow get a better candidate we lynch motbob. Now we have the checks confirmed. If Motbob turns green/red we get the DT information on their sanity and it is narrowed down to two.

Then as night falls again we have the DT's ability to role check again and the Vet plan comes into play. When they check the "Vet" he should be blue, so now we have 2 colors and the DT's now know their sanity and we have an established blue.

Now the issue you could see is IF Motbob is blue then what? Then we proceed with the plan. The only issue now is the DT's sanity is not confirmed, however then the "Vet" is guaranteed to be blue or godfather. This is because when they check the "vet" he should come back exactly how they saw Motbob or something is up.

In relation to the godfather being an issue, its a dumb move. If the GF fakes being the Vet we kill both the actual vet and the godfather and are down one mafia, which is an exchange I am sure we are willing to make.

Any questions?

On October 25 2009 02:20 Ace wrote:
A 75% chance he's red or blue? Where did you come up with that number :/

You just said outlined the entire reason we don't have to kill motbob - The Vet idea. The Vet steps forward and all the DTs role check him and get confirmation. At this point there's no need to kill motbob as the DTs already have used their check for the night. Killing motbob would accomplish nothing.

Right now there is only one thing we need to focus on - Pyrr telling myself and another player who the bodyguards are. He still hasn't done it and time is running out. We need this information before Night 1 is over. Once we move to Day 2 I'll reveal the second part of my plan.

On October 25 2009 02:20 Ace wrote:
A 75% chance he's red or blue? Where did you come up with that number :/

You just said outlined the entire reason we don't have to kill motbob - The Vet idea. The Vet steps forward and all the DTs role check him and get confirmation. At this point there's no need to kill motbob as the DTs already have used their check for the night. Killing motbob would accomplish nothing.

Right now there is only one thing we need to focus on - Pyrr telling myself and another player who the bodyguards are. He still hasn't done it and time is running out. We need this information before Night 1 is over. Once we move to Day 2 I'll reveal the second part of my plan.

On October 23 2009 06:13 Ace wrote:
also I'm still running for Mayor ^_^

Regardless of who wins use the Vet idea.

On October 25 2009 02:40 Ace wrote:
The only role we have a total for is Reds, so there isn't any way to guess any odds related to Blue or Green.

What I meant with the DTs using their checks statement is that assuming the Vet steps out before the night is over the DTs can check them out. Thats more guaranteed than guessing if motbob will die tomorrow.

If Pyrr, Myself, and a 3rd player all know the Bodyguards the Mafia can't kill all 3 of us in one night. Hence THREE people are needed so the information is never lost.

And once again I'll state if you want to lynch motbob there has to be some better reasoning presented here.

On October 25 2009 02:47 Ace wrote:
What you think is the role count is irrelevant - you don't know so your estimate is bs.

And if you think I'm fishy for winning pardoner, when you yourself just quoted the post I supposedly used to get it then don't you think it would be smarter to look at EVERYONE that voted for me instead of trying to single out motbob again? hurrrr durrrrrr?

On October 25 2009 03:16 L wrote:
First off: the vet might not claim because if there are 2 vets in the game, both of them die and we're basically fast forwarded to day 4 with no kills. This isn't a 'small' concern. Its a huge hole in the plan. If we gamble and come up short, we're in big trouble.

Second: The flip side to that is if both bodyguards are non-replacements, telling 2 additional people raises the chances that mafia learns about the bodyguards by 50%.

If you're mafia, that's perfect, because you can eliminate the bodyguards, try to say one of the other information holders was the leak and then demand medic protection like you... already did. That essentially frees you up to kill whatever other office holder there is while claiming medic protection while getting the town to waste a lynch.

Oh but wait, there's more. If you go through with doing so and drop a pardon onto whomever you decided to pin as the leak, now we're back 3 days, since we just wasted a day on the pardoned hit, the next day would be your death, and the day after that chances are we'd be forced to kill the pardoned person who might very well be innocent. 3 days is 6 mafia hits, putting us to a 7-1 trade for the play; not bad at all. If we're dumb and decide to hit the pardoned player before you, you might even get away scott free as you point towards the innocent corpse and state that you were trying to help town.

Out of everyone in the town, telling you, or you telling pyrr when you get information is the worst possible idea; Neither of you can be DT checked when they confirm their sanity state, and neither of you can be mad hattered or vig'd once exposed.

I hate to always be the negative nancy, but I'd rather not have us assume a bunch of information we don't have, then essentially get raped before even being able to play the game because of it.

On October 25 2009 03:20 L wrote:
Raped.

Also I like Ace, but think Tricode's a fucking moron. My intense hatred of his gigantic buffonery should have come through rather clear. If you want, I can probably dredge up plenty of PMs between Ace and I making fun of both him and Vivi for horrendous play in prior games if you want.