Weightlifting consists of the two olympic lifts: the snatch and the clean and jerk. The snatch is a single movement from ground to overhead, while the clean and jerk is a two-phase movement from the ground to shoulders to overhead. Whoever has the greatest total for both lifts combined wins the coveted Olympic gold for their weight catagory. There are no snatch or clean and jerk metals in the Olympics...more
Un Guk KIM PRK 1988.10.28 320 Erol BILGIN TUR 1987.02.20 320 Oscar Albeiro FIGUEROA MOSQUERA COL 1983.04.27 320 Hursit ATAK TUR 1991.05.24 318 Farkhad KHARKI KAZ 1991.04.20 318 Irawan EKO YULI INA 1989.07.24 310 Hun-Min JI KOR 1984.03.26 310 Umurbek BAZARBAYEV TKM 1981.09.17 305 Florin Ionut CROITORU ROU 1993.08.25 300 Hasbi MUHAMAD INA 1992.07.12 295 Julio Cesar SALAMANCA PINEDA ESA 1989.07.15 290 Jie ZHANG CHN 1987.08.26 290 Saad AHMED MOHAMED EGY 1986.11.01 290 Manuel MINGINFEL FSM 1978.09.28 280 Stevick PATRIS PLW 1991.01.17 230 Tuau LAPUA LAPUA TUV 1991.04.15 225 Charles SSEKYAAYA UGA 1994.04.11
Jaehyouk SA KOR 1985.01.29 375 Tigran MARTIROSYAN ARM 1988.06.09 365 Hysen PULAKU ALB 1992.12.08 360 Ibrahim RAMADAN IBRAHIM EGY 1988.02.06 360 Chatuphum CHINNAWONG THA 1993.07.19 355 Ivan CAMBAR RODRIGUEZ CUB 1983.12.29 345 Krzysztof Maciej ZWARYCZ POL 1990.12.13 340 Andres Eduardo MATA PEREZ ESP 1992.11.11 336 Felix EKPO NGR 1981.05.10 325 Jack OLIVER GBR 1991.01.04 310 Haojie LU CHN 1990.08.03 310 Xiaojun LU CHN 1984.07.27 310 Toafitu PERIVE SAM 1985.01.07 288
Kianoush ROSTAMI IRI 1991.07.23 395 Sourab MORADI IRI 1988.09.22 390 Ivan STOITSOV AZE 1985.03.22 390 Andrei RYBAKOU BLR 1982.03.04 390 Apti AUKHADOV RUS 1992.11.18 385 Adrian Edward ZIELINSKI POL 1989.03.28 385 Ivan MARKOV BUL 1988.09.14 381 Yoelmis HERNANDEZ PAUMIER CUB 1986.04.25 380 Benjamin Didier HENNEQUIN FRA 1984.08.24 380 Ara KHACHATRYAN ARM 1982.09.13 380 Abdelhay Saad Abdelrazek RAGAB EGY 1991.03.04 375 Gabriel SINCRAIAN ROU 1988.12.21 375 Rauli TSIREKIDZE GEO 1987.05.24 375 Tarek ABDELAZIM EGY 1987.05.18 375 Sherzodjon YUSUPOV UZB 1982.10.10 372 Fatih BAYDAR TUR 1983.12.25 366 Pitaya TIBNOKE THA 1989.09.21 360 Kendrick FARRIS USA 1986.07.02 355 Mansur REJEPOV TKM 1982.01.03 355 Steven KARI PNG 1993.05.13 330 Yong LU CHN 1986.01.01 320 Richard PATTERSON NZL 1983.04.30 320
Anatoli CIRICU MDA 1988.09.14 410 Ilya ILYIN KAZ 1988.05.24 409 Saeid MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH IRI 1993.03.03 405 Intiqam ZAIROV AZE 1985.04.21 405 Min-Jae KIM KOR 1983.10.13 405 Artem IVANOV UKR 1987.12.16 404 Arsen KASABIJEW POL 1987.11.15 400 Norayr VARDANYAN ARM 1987.05.15 400 Alexandr IVANOV RUS 1989.07.22 395 Almas UTESHOV KAZ 1988.03.30 395 Andrey DEMANOV RUS 1985.07.15 395 Ibrahim ARAT TUR 1988.12.02 393 Aliaksandr MAKARANKA BLR 1990.02.02 390 Tomasz Bernard ZIELINSKI POL 1990.10.29 385 David KAVELASVILI GRE 1985.08.02 385 Kostyantyn PILIYEV UKR 1983.02.28 380 Endri KARINA ALB 1989.03.02 365 David KATOATAU KIR 1984.07.17 345 Peter KIRKBRIDE GBR 1987.12.19 330 Jean GREEFF RSA 1990.04.17 310 Cristopher Joel PAVON HON 1993.04.18 Abbas ALQAISOUM KSA 1980.10.31
Start your predictions. The classes to watch are all men's classes 77kg and above (especially 77kg and 105kg, 94kg coming close), and womens +75kg class.
My thoughts: 77kg - China will win. Either Xiaojun or Haojie. Snatch world record will be broken by the chinese, clean and jerk medal will be broken more then once. Total WR smashed, Lu Xiaojun comes out on top. 85kg - An Iranian. I do think rybakou and lu yong can put a fight and might be able to steal a silver but the gold is to Iran. 94kg - Ilya Ilin wins, while breaking clean and jerk world record. Ivanovs will be very, very close. Snatch world record might be broken by one of them. 105kg - Depends on Aramnau. Dolega won't metal, Akkaev will win if Aramnau is in bad shape and vice versa. Klokov will not win gold, but will medal behind Akkaev. Truth be told, Akkaev is a monster and can actually beat Aramnau (who broke all three records last Olympics, two of which are still held). All records will be broken. +105kg - Salimi wins. Breaks snatch world record, might try a CJ world record after winning but won't get it. Tossup between albegov and other iranian to get silver and bronze.
+75kg - Zhou Lulu wins, snatch world record broken by Kashirina, but total and clean and jerk world records will topple to Zhou Lulu. The Korean Jang Mi-Ran might break clean and jerk world record too and will medal.
Lots of world records will be broken this Olympics.
On July 20 2012 16:34 xodarap wrote: I can out bench that guy in the op with my scrawny nerd brawn any day. ^_^
I also didn't know Iran was wielding some of the top strongmen in the world. That's kind of cool. I would've expected a Nordic country to win based on what I've seen on World's Strongest Man on ESPN over the years. >_<
Where were you when Rezazadeh was smoking everyone else o_o
Huge Xiaojun fan as well. Spot on by the TS, China pretty much has 77kg locked
56kg: Wu Jingbao - This will be a blowout 62kg: Zhang Jie - I think this will be a close battle with the Kim Un Gukbut Zhang always can pull out a big clean and jerk to win. 69kg: Lin Qingfeng: Every other lifter sucks in the clean and jerk, maybe mirzoyan and Martin may do something... 77kg: Lu Xiaojun: This is a competitive class, but I love watching Xiaojun lift. 85kg: Rostami: This class is wide open with many competitors, but Rostami almost made the wr last worlds so Ill go for him. 94kg: Ilya Ilyin: This is going to be a fun class to watch, but Ilyin does not know how to lose. 105kg: Klokov: This is a homer pick but I think Klokov can take the clean and jerk from Aramnau and Akkaev as long as he stays competitive in the snatch. 105+: Salimi: No question even if he is injured.
48: Wang Mingjuan: Shes great to watch <3. Plus there are no turks to challenge her. 53: Zulfiya: I doubt Zhou Jun can compete when she isn't even top 3 in China lol. 58: Li Xueying: too strong for anyone 63:Maiya Maneza: Svetlana needs a huge snatch to stay competitve with Maneza's CJ. 69: Oxana Silvenko: Nothing else to say but I'm said that Liu Chunhong it not competing. 75: Nadeza EVSTYUKHINA: MY Favorite weightclass to watch!!! This will be an amazing battle with evstyuknia and Podobedova. 75+: Zhou Lulu: Miran is weak in the snatch and Tatiana in the CJ. This will also be a great battle.
Also to hype the 75kg class: My favorite lifter Liu Chunhong battling the great 75kg Russians!
This is the man to watch, an absolute fucking beast
Major fan of him :D
He is a magnet, or a "human anatomy chart" as i've heard a commentator call him.
SaJaeHyouk 375 entry total is ridiculous though. 378 is the world record and sa typically only get ~165 snatch. meaning he got ~210 C&J. I think he might finally break the record.
Lu HaoJie probably needs to get another snatch WR to win because his CJ is not so hot.
Lu Xiaojun is probably the favorite because he is so sexy.
Aramnau may be out of the Olympics with a quadriceps injury. If this is true, it will put a damper on the 105kg class, but it may also be a recurrance of the Salimi "injury".
On July 28 2012 01:01 Froadac wrote: Btw, I actually saw the US olympic team & co the other day, their training camp was close to where I live.
Unfortunately Harris was the only guy to qualify.
Farris* =D San Francisco has a load of weightlifting clubs, it's pretty ridiculous actually. It sucks hysen is most likely going to be out of olympics for doping. Almost everybody thought he was natural and really was a shining beacon for this sport. There's still clarence, lol. And Aramnau is confirmed out. Too bad :/
On July 28 2012 01:01 Froadac wrote: Btw, I actually saw the US olympic team & co the other day, their training camp was close to where I live.
Unfortunately Harris was the only guy to qualify.
Farris* =D San Francisco has a load of weightlifting clubs, it's pretty ridiculous actually. It sucks hysen is most likely going to be out of olympics for doping. Almost everybody thought he was natural and really was a shining beacon for this sport. There's still clarence, lol. And Aramnau is confirmed out. Too bad :/
hahaha clarence
I joked on facebook about if he went on fitocracy he would get 9001 points for putting in his lifts Then my friend was like "don't forget +dbol as supplement, -1000"
I didn't know people outside of the UK knew about clarence though that's pretty sick
On July 29 2012 09:12 Release wrote: He got caught. He made 207kg snatch as a junior. Expected as much.
Any bets on which WR will be broken?
Mete Binay 69kg Snatch 166kg Lu Xiaojun 77kg Snatch 176kg, Total 382kg Sa Jae-Hyouk 77kg C&J 211kg
Let's be real though, lots of lifters juice in training and then cycle off of it later. I've heard from some hardcore oly lifting devotees I know about cases of people winning their national comps because they don't test and then getting raped at the international level. Grain of salt, obviously, but it meshes with what I've read independently.
On July 29 2012 13:02 Cambium wrote: lu xiaojun is a total fucking beast
gonna be watching this live tonight, China represent
Indeed, what a monster. I'm surprised that China is actually pretty freaking fantastic at the lower weight levels!
Go China :D
With the multiple weight classes china and russia have invested quite a lot into weightlifting because it's an efficient way of picking up a lot of medals.
On July 29 2012 13:02 Cambium wrote: lu xiaojun is a total fucking beast
gonna be watching this live tonight, China represent
Indeed, what a monster. I'm surprised that China is actually pretty freaking fantastic at the lower weight levels!
Go China :D
With the multiple weight classes china and russia have invested quite a lot into weightlifting because it's an efficient way of picking up a lot of medals.
Well yeah though there's probably no way China is going to dominate all of the weight classes so it won't necessarily win them that many, but it probably will win them medals in events in which Chinese athletes haven't done that well.
just bought a vpn service so now I can watch all the weightlifting! watching 53kg live! Suprised Iovu snatched 99kg. Anyone know what happened to Zhou Jun?
Any streams that show oly lifting? 2 channels in my country won't show a single lifting event and eurosport 1/2 will only show women lifting this time..
On July 30 2012 02:16 Crawler wrote: Any streams that show oly lifting? 2 channels in my country won't show a single lifting event and eurosport 1/2 will only show women lifting this time..
So hard to catch a live stream of weightlifting here in Canada (that is without paying for anything). Just catching the clean and jerk portion of the men's 56kg group A. This sport is just so intense to watch. Anyone else finding themselves cheering for the lifters regardless of their country?
On July 20 2012 20:52 mdb wrote: No Bulgarians competing at the Olympics makes me cry T_T
There are more than a few, Veliko Cholakov and Valentin Hristov. They aren't representing Bulgaria anymore because funding dried up for the sport, but the Bulgarian fan favorite from the 90s, Zlaten Vanev, is joining Nizami Pashaev as coach of the Azerbaijani squad on recommendation of Ivan Abadjiev and Azerbaijan offered citizenship and financial support to several bulgarians (Hristov, Cholakov, Stoizov). Their team isn't totally dead, just representing a new country now.
On July 30 2012 06:22 AoN.DimSum wrote: wu jingbao choked hard lol
I really didn't see it coming, he seemed so dominant at worlds and in his interviews and CNTV clips. I think he might have had a fever or something, he really didn't seem like himself today. There's definitely guys in his weight class who are outsquatting him by a lot, but his speed under the bar is just outrageous: I think he could definitely consider moving up to 62/69, he's a few inches too tall to be a 56 and looks like a concentration camp survivor next to that Vietnamese guy, who is built to be 56kg.
1 week until 94kg class! I'm excited, I hope some records finally fall. That snatch record being 1kg higher than the 85kg class is just silliness.
LI Xueying looked awesome today in women's 58kg. Snatched 108kg (OR) with ease, went on to equal the OR in C&J (138kg) on her second lift, and then went for a massive WR on her last lift (144kg compared with 141kg WR). Too bad she didn't make it The squat looked pretty easy, but the jerk was behind her head and she couldn't control it.
On July 31 2012 01:29 Daigomi wrote: LI Xueying looked awesome today in women's 58kg. Snatched 108kg (OR) with ease, went on to equal the OR in C&J (138kg) on her second lift, and then went for a massive WR on her last lift (144kg compared with 141kg WR). Too bad she didn't make it The squat looked pretty easy, but the jerk was behind her head and she couldn't control it.
FUUARRRK so close
I think she shoulda gone for 142 but man totally dominated the competition
Gz also to zoe smith for breaking british records at least and repping us :D
Howcome theres so few lifters in 63kg? Zoe shoulda gone for that instead
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OMGGG north korea WOW so impressive, their gear must be SO good i want some lol
On July 31 2012 01:29 Daigomi wrote: LI Xueying looked awesome today in women's 58kg. Snatched 108kg (OR) with ease, went on to equal the OR in C&J (138kg) on her second lift, and then went for a massive WR on her last lift (144kg compared with 141kg WR). Too bad she didn't make it The squat looked pretty easy, but the jerk was behind her head and she couldn't control it.
FUUARRRK so close
I think she shoulda gone for 142 but man totally dominated the competition
Gz also to zoe smith for breaking british records at least and repping us :D
Howcome theres so few lifters in 63kg? Zoe shoulda gone for that instead
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OMGGG north korea WOW so impressive, their gear must be SO good i want some lol
153 snatch 62kg world record FUARRKK
Followed by an overall WR of 327kg. Can't remember the lifter's name, but he was awesome. So friendly and cute :p
On July 31 2012 05:58 On_Slaught wrote: Can you lower your weight between lifts?
Epic 3rd lift there. Got to be hard as hell to do it the 3rd time if you couldn't the 1st/2nd b/c of fatigue.
Nope, can only go up.
And China off the medal podium in 62kg, disasterous. The coaches and athletes are going to have a lot to answer for to the Chinese Olympic Committee. There may be bamboo stick beatings.
On July 31 2012 05:58 On_Slaught wrote: Can you lower your weight between lifts?
Epic 3rd lift there. Got to be hard as hell to do it the 3rd time if you couldn't the 1st/2nd b/c of fatigue.
Nope, can only go up.
And China off the medal podium in 62kg, disasterous. The coaches and athletes are going to have a lot to answer for to the Chinese Olympic Committee. There may be bamboo stick beatings.
Big time failure by china in 62kg. The bad snatch portion by China just really put too much pressure to do that well in the clean and jerk. North Korea though, 2 weight classes now. O_O
On July 31 2012 05:58 On_Slaught wrote: Can you lower your weight between lifts?
Epic 3rd lift there. Got to be hard as hell to do it the 3rd time if you couldn't the 1st/2nd b/c of fatigue.
Nope, can only go up.
And China off the medal podium in 62kg, disasterous. The coaches and athletes are going to have a lot to answer for to the Chinese Olympic Committee. There may be bamboo stick beatings.
Big time failure by china in 62kg. The bad snatch portion by China just really put too much pressure to do that well in the clean and jerk. North Korea though, 2 weight classes now. O_O
Maybe the hidden excuse is that they had to lay off their gear since britain is always a bitch with testing (since we got the best biochemists and the most anal testing of any country) whereas the other countries invested in better gear
On July 31 2012 05:58 On_Slaught wrote: Can you lower your weight between lifts?
Epic 3rd lift there. Got to be hard as hell to do it the 3rd time if you couldn't the 1st/2nd b/c of fatigue.
Nope, can only go up.
And China off the medal podium in 62kg, disasterous. The coaches and athletes are going to have a lot to answer for to the Chinese Olympic Committee. There may be bamboo stick beatings.
Big time failure by china in 62kg. The bad snatch portion by China just really put too much pressure to do that well in the clean and jerk. North Korea though, 2 weight classes now. O_O
Maybe the hidden excuse is that they had to lay off their gear since britain is always a bitch with testing (since we got the best biochemists and the most anal testing of any country) whereas the other countries invested in better gear
(lol sorry ok maybe that's a bit far out haha)
I doubt the North Koreans have better gear than China lol.
Also, man that colombian guy who didnt hit the 177kg clean and jerk until his third lift.. dramatic stuff. And then seeing the Colombian and the Indonesian just cry tears of absolute happiness, even I teared up along with them.
On July 31 2012 08:16 AoN.DimSum wrote: On another forum, the chinese team is under a lot of stress to make gold. Which led to Wu and zhang struggling to make weight.
Hopefully for Wu and Zhang's sake, they won't be punished too severely for failing to get gold (who knows what happens to the Chinese weightlifters who fail though O_o)
uh i doubt anything will happen to them. They are still good enough to be on the national team, everyone has bad days. I wonder what the gold medal winners from China do with all that money that they just won though.
On July 31 2012 08:43 AoN.DimSum wrote: uh i doubt anything will happen to them. They are still good enough to be on the national team, everyone has bad days. I wonder what the gold medal winners from China do with all that money that they just won though.
Haha, I was just kidding. Still though, bad showings by the Chinese in the men's weightlifting so far. For some reason, even though I tend to cheer against China in most events, I'm a big fan of Chinese weightlifting.
If China loses 69kg and 77kg that's probably the end of the Chinese Men's Weightlifting empire that's lasted so long. They've already been dealing with funding cuts, hopefully 69 and 77 can get some redemption so they don't have to deal with further funding cuts.
Yesterday's women's lifting wasn't bad. I thought she was going to get the world record for a second. Shame she didn't, but at least she got the gold she was surprisingly REALLY girly in the interviews though, seemed off-putting after she put up those crazy numbers.
can someone explain why refs aren't counting so many solid lifts? what's wrong about them? EDIT: ok last one was forgiven later but there have been many more before that weren't
On August 02 2012 00:21 Crawler wrote: can someone explain why refs aren't counting so many solid lifts? what's wrong about them? EDIT: ok last one was forgiven later but there have been many more before that weren't
Usually it's because the lifter's arm bends during the jerk. You're not allowed to press the weight overhead, you have to jerk it, so bending your elbows gets the lift disqualified.
just got back from womens weightlifting, was pretty cool to watch. Their faces get so fucking red. Wow, it's insane how hard and painful that must be for them
edit: OMG officials are you serious? This is horrific choices by officials, the officials should be shot on the spot for this They are too high horsed to admit they are wrong
On August 02 2012 03:34 Hydrolisko wrote: what's going on? what's the argument about?
Apparently the other Lu Haojie didn't post up his 3rd attempt # so Xiaojun should've been given 2 mins for his next attempt (since he's following himself) but they only gave him 1 min and he ran out of time.
Really sucks.. I would've liked to see him go for another WR.
OMG Lu Haojie has balls for going for the clean and jerk with that injury! True Olympic Spirit! He looks devastated though... he couldve easily gotten silver. D:
Martirosyan could probably have made this competition a little bit more interesting. A repeat of his 2010 performance would have netted him a silver and very nearly a gold.
referees are pretty fucking harsh there. Haojie only attempt got 1 red and 2 whites so it was pretty close call ( it was also his last lift so it was a difference between last place and silver ). Same story on last 204 lift. Again they 1 referee gives a red light.
On August 02 2012 04:04 Release wrote: Why did he almost fail the 195?
He originally put up 205, and probably could have taken it easily.
-: Failed 204 at the clean. Not very characteristic of him.
I also thought he'd almost failed it at first, but I think that might just be his technique. He's not actually exerting any effort, just making sure he's stable under the bar before going for the squat.
Xiaojun is fucking awesome. So sad he couldn't go for that third snatch.
Lu Xiaojun was magnificent but what impressed me and amazed me the most was haojie (sp?) and his lion heart, for attempting and making that c+j whilst injured. He might have even beaten Xiaojun if it weren't for the injury in his second snatch.
On August 02 2012 10:30 sc4k wrote: Lu Xiaojun was magnificent but what impressed me and amazed me the most was haojie (sp?) and his lion heart, for attempting and making that c+j whilst injured. He might have even beaten Xiaojun if it weren't for the injury in his second snatch.
Yeah i got chills watching that, the sheer look of pain on his face but completely unwielding. But that 204 squat jerk was pretty fucking badass too.
On August 02 2012 07:31 Release wrote: Dislocated elbow, then the barbell whacked him for good measure.
ouch... that's a common injury with the snatch eh
everyone predicted a wr for lu xiaojun's snatch and he got it lol.
I've seen that enough, but if you saw the live stream, you would also see the barbell clipping his elbow after the injury. If you search on youtube, the barbell clipping his elbow looks like he's flinching.
On August 02 2012 10:30 sc4k wrote: Lu Xiaojun was magnificent but what impressed me and amazed me the most was haojie (sp?) and his lion heart, for attempting and making that c+j whilst injured. He might have even beaten Xiaojun if it weren't for the injury in his second snatch.
Yeah i got chills watching that, the sheer look of pain on his face but completely unwielding. But that 204 squat jerk was pretty fucking badass too.
adrenal gland the size of a watermelon + balls the size of the sun
The reason why Lu Xiaojun sits at the bottom of the squat jerk is to just stabilize the weight. He seemed to lean to his right side and had to move back into the right spot. As a person who squat jerks, if you dont hit the jerk in the right spot, you might find yourself sitting in the bottom of the squat for awhile. lol
75 is my favorite session. A world record always gets broken every year in this weight class!
For anyone that wants vods or even catch it live, get ExpatShield (it masks your IP as a British IP), then just go on the BBC UK Olympics site to get the British broadcast in HD.
On August 03 2012 21:07 Entropic wrote: For anyone that wants vods or even catch it live, get ExpatShield (it masks your IP as a British IP), then just go on the BBC UK Olympics site to get the British broadcast in HD.
85kg was kind of a letdown with such high expectations for Moradi and Rostami and neither of them approaching WR CJs like we thought they would and Lu Yong+Rybakou not totalling. I guess its good to see Zielinski and Aukahdov doing well tho.
94kg will be really exciting though, I feel like Ilin, Ivanov, Saeid, and even Demanov all have shots at records.
On August 03 2012 21:07 Entropic wrote: For anyone that wants vods or even catch it live, get ExpatShield (it masks your IP as a British IP), then just go on the BBC UK Olympics site to get the British broadcast in HD.
Well... HD is debatable.
Yeah it's really hit and miss, sometimes its really good quality and more often than not its meh. I dunno whats up with BBC's vods lol.
On August 04 2012 07:50 Drowsy wrote: 85kg was kind of a letdown with such high expectations for Moradi and Rostami and neither of them approaching WR CJs like we thought they would and Lu Yong+Rybakou not totalling. I guess its good to see Zielinski and Aukahdov doing well tho.
94kg will be really exciting though, I feel like Ilin, Ivanov, Saeid, and even Demanov all have shots at records.
Artem Ivanov is out, so that is a downer on the class. Despite this, your statement is still true! lol
Klokov and Akkaev are both out. Along with Aramnau out, the 105kg class looks very lackluster now.
But atleast now one of my favorite lifters, Bartlomiej Bonk, has a very strong chance of medaling!
And looks like Ilya Ilyin has absolutely destroyed the 94kg class. He is just a freak, man. Wasn't able to watch the snatches but apparently his 185 was so easy that he could have broke world record, and his 224 cj was indescribably easy.
Yeah, Ilyin has been an absolute beast. He made that 185 snatch look insanely easy as well, if everyone else didn't also make a 185 snatch, I'm sure he would have gone higher. Should be an overall world record here
And he breaks the 94kg total WR with an extremely straightforward 228. Alexandr Ivanov misses 229 and Ilyin going for 233 CJ, a new WR. I cannot believe how easy that was, elbows were completely locked. Ilyin could probably CJ 245.
Also, that 19 year old Iranian lifter (not going to attempt to type out his surname) makes every lift look insanely difficult. His 219 CJ he barely managed to deadlift the bar, then somehow squeezed under it, and then managed to magically jerk it. Then he goes up to 227kg, and I seriously thought he would fail the deadlift part, but somehow he gets the clean again. I have no idea how you can clean a bar when the bar speed is that low.
OMFG, Ilyin is unbelievable. That's seriously the best weightlifting I've ever seen. Breaks the overall record by 7kg without breaking a sweat. Also, he has no nervous tics, no routine, he just walks up to the bar and throws the weight over his head. Fucking unbelievable.
annnndddd to bring in a downer, it turns out Akkaev/Klokov withdrawals may be drug related. Akkaev allegedly has spinal surgery on August 2nd to deal with a herniated disc. However, today, he nonchalantly showed up to watch the 94kg A session and support his 2 teammates. He's standing up and walking around like its NBD. Should he ever be able to stand up and walk around like that after this kind a procedure TWO DAYS later? Then you also have to think about how hard it would be to book an invasive and technical spinal surgery in a foreign country without health insurance in that country. Coupled with the rapid and simultaneous withdrawal of Klokov, things look reaaallyy fishy.
The current theory floating around is that Klokov and Akkaev were going to fail drug tests. The Russian team has a lot of support staff as far as medical and therapeutic personnel. The Russians give Klokov and Akkaev a prelim test a few days before, and they failed it. Medalists are automatically tested post competition. Rather than both of them disgracing Russian weightlifting and facing bans (Akkaev's would be permanent), as they're kind of the figureheads, they withdraw citing injuries. This is obviously the Russian Weightlifting Federation/Coach's decision, and Akkaev might have been unhappy with it as its likely his final olympics, so he shows up to 94kg A partially in protest.
On August 05 2012 12:13 Drowsy wrote: 94kg saved the olympics.
annnndddd to bring in a downer, it turns out Akkaev/Klokov withdrawals may be drug related. Akkaev allegedly has spinal surgery on August 2nd to deal with a herniated disc. However, today, he nonchalantly showed up to watch the 94kg A session and support his 2 teammates. He's standing up and walking around like its NBD. Should he ever be able to stand up and walk around like that after this kind a procedure TWO DAYS later? Then you also have to think about how hard it would be to book an invasive and technical spinal surgery in a foreign country without health insurance in that country. Coupled with the rapid and simultaneous withdrawal of Klokov, things look reaaallyy fishy.
The current theory floating around is that Klokov and Akkaev were going to fail drug tests. The Russian team has a lot of support staff as far as medical and therapeutic personnel. The Russians give Klokov and Akkaev a prelim test a few days before, and they failed it. Medalists are automatically tested post competition. Rather than both of them disgracing Russian weightlifting and facing bans (Akkaev's would be permanent), as they're kind of the figureheads, they withdraw citing injuries. This is obviously the Russian Weightlifting Federation/Coach's decision, and Akkaev might have been unhappy with it as its likely his final olympics, so he shows up to 94kg A partially in protest.
Goddamn it, walking demigod Klokov just had to step out of this one didnt he. Oh well at least we got WWC.
On August 05 2012 17:49 emjaytron wrote: why does lu xiaojun squat jerk? was he just taking the piss cos he was going to win easily or is that his standard technique
Some people are just better at squat jerking than they are split jerking. Lu Xiaojun is one of them, pyrros dimas was one of them also. I suppose training squat jerk translates a lot to your snatch also, because the second part of a snatch is pretty much a squat jerk with snatch grip.
On August 05 2012 17:49 emjaytron wrote: why does lu xiaojun squat jerk? was he just taking the piss cos he was going to win easily or is that his standard technique
Lu is just a beast basically
For him it means he doesn't have to worry about having a good jerk because hes probably got some of the best C+J and snatch technique around so all he has to do is dip under the bar
Rarely see him drop if he actually goes for the squat
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Maybe better put is that with squat jerk if you have good technique the recovery is a lot more stable so he will rarely drop it since his technique is so good
It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
On August 07 2012 02:36 Drowsy wrote: It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
Because ultra-muscular Xiaojun type is so sexy. So is Haojie (Does he even lift?).
On August 07 2012 02:36 Drowsy wrote: It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
My friend posted this on my facebook, I find it sums it up pretty well haha
On August 07 2012 02:36 Drowsy wrote: It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
Klokov and lu are hero-super saiyan modes ez to idolize. Taner sagir is cool cause you can be like "he's one of the strongest people in the world" and bros are like no he's not lulz ronnie coleman is and then you show him throwing 450 pounds over his head and da broz be like O.O oly lifting is cool
On August 07 2012 02:36 Drowsy wrote: It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
This thread seems to idolize the in between guys (well 77k kg) and ignore the big and small guys.
On August 07 2012 02:36 Drowsy wrote: It's funny how in weightlifting circles we idolize the ultra-muscular Klokov type and the "Do you even lift?" guys like Taner Sagir but usually not the guys who are somewhere between.
This thread seems to idolize the in between guys (well 77k kg) and ignore the big and small guys.
There's a few reasons for that.
First of all, a high number of people would be in the 77kg weight class if they were to lift. Add to that it's history with Pyrros Dimas and the emerging Chinese lifters who look like gods and you have an appealing class. Categories are more impressive to people in that category. I loved watching the 56-65 guys because that's about where I am. To see them lifting so much was unreal. Being 105kg+ is so unknowable for a lot of people are it's hard to really compare yourself with them because they're just so much bigger than you are and there's often fat covering the muscles so you can't even really see what they're working with. There's a lot of strength training on these forums so the people here are more interested in the 105kg+ powerlifters than olympic lifters.
Aside from that, it just seems to be whichever class the superstars are in and whoever is doing well. The 77kg was Lu Xiaojun putting on a weightlifting clinic while 94kg was surprisingly close until Ilya Ilyin just destroyed everyone with some of the most incredible lifts ever seen. Conversely, 85kg & 105kg would've been beaten by the winners of 77 & 94 respectively which makes them hard to enjoy.
Korean weightlifter was up to try his lift and I could hear a female scream in the audience: "Fighting!" I thought that was some internal SC slang, or maybe it crept out to sports too.
On August 08 2012 04:15 figq wrote: Korean weightlifter was up to try his lift and I could hear a female scream in the audience: "Fighting!" I thought that was some internal SC slang, or maybe it crept out to sports too.
On August 08 2012 04:15 figq wrote: Korean weightlifter was up to try his lift and I could hear a female scream in the audience: "Fighting!" I thought that was some internal SC slang, or maybe it crept out to sports too.
pretty sure it's a common expression in korea
I've heard arguments by oldschool BW fans that "Fighting!" is only used in BW and even sounds foolish to be used by SC2 fans etc.
On August 08 2012 04:15 figq wrote: Korean weightlifter was up to try his lift and I could hear a female scream in the audience: "Fighting!" I thought that was some internal SC slang, or maybe it crept out to sports too.
pretty sure it's a common expression in korea
I've heard arguments by oldschool BW fans that "Fighting!" is only used in BW and even sounds foolish to be used by SC2 fans etc.
AssuredVacancy is right. It's a common expression in Korea and is not exclusive to BW.
I've been watching a bunch of these Olympic weightlifting videos and I didn't understand why they didn't look like monstrous bodybuilders even though they're stronger. So I googled it, now I understand that these men are as close as we can get to being super saiyans.
It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL.
On August 08 2012 06:03 Snuggles wrote: I've been watching a bunch of these Olympic weightlifting videos and I didn't understand why they didn't look like monstrous bodybuilders even though they're stronger. So I googled it, now I understand that these men are as close as we can get to being super saiyans.
It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL.
Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition.
Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs).
can't even watch that matthias steiner gif So sad after his epic 2008 performance
And yeah oly lifting = a lot of training in the 1-3 rep range. Gives you more quick twitch fibers and strength without increase in muscle mass/volume. Makes you very efficient for your size/weight. Bodybuilder muscles are inflated for their strength, they mostly do lower weight with a higher rep scheme that promotes growth in muscle size
In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this theory, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is characteristic of the muscles of certain bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is characteristic of Olympic weightlifters.[17]
On August 08 2012 06:03 Snuggles wrote: I've been watching a bunch of these Olympic weightlifting videos and I didn't understand why they didn't look like monstrous bodybuilders even though they're stronger. So I googled it, now I understand that these men are as close as we can get to being super saiyans.
It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL.
Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition.
Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs).
Keyword is relative. Arnold still could squat 315 for 10 very easily and Ronnie Coleman has some ridiculous numbers like a 800 squat and dead or something.
That Steiner gif kills me inside. Ouch.
Lastly, I wish Bonk had pulled just a few more kilos... He is such a smooth lifter, it's great. Totally could have been the olympic champion too.
On August 08 2012 06:03 Snuggles wrote: I've been watching a bunch of these Olympic weightlifting videos and I didn't understand why they didn't look like monstrous bodybuilders even though they're stronger. So I googled it, now I understand that these men are as close as we can get to being super saiyans.
It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL.
Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition.
Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs).
He switched to that to get more definition when he already was really huge, but he was capable of pulling 300kg deadlift. 300kg is a lot, but not that much relatively speaking.
I think removing the press from weightlifting makes them look too small for my taste on the smaller weight classes. They just don't need any strength in the upper body other than required to stabilize weight. Akkav, Klokov and Ilya are exceptions. And wtf Liaojun, he needs to move up to 85kg and go after dymas recods. He is 1.72cm -.- Hopefully one day raw powerlifting will be added to the olympics ( :'( )
btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
Definitely. Iran's wling program is just awesome. And for them lifting weights is a pseuo-religious experience, and anything done with religious conviction will always be done with a higher level of effort and dedication. Copied from another forum: "I motorcycled through Eastern Europe, Iran, Russia, and much of central asia back in the late 90's and I observed a few things which may point to the underlying reasons behind the Iranians success.
Firstly, throughout all these places, when you get to the smaller towns and villages you see a lot of pride and community backing behind the local strongmen. In Iran there is a long tradition of strongmen training zoorkhooneh's (roughly translated to Strength house), where they would basically gather and swing around gigantic club bells, lift heavy ****, try to one up each other and lift heavier ****. In much of the towns, some of the "influential" people in the town were basically the heads of these gyms, where as in others the gyms were kinda like little gangs. Either way, they garnered a lot of respect from the local populace.
Secondly, because of the culture noted above, it's easy to assimilate the local youth, who often have nothing better to do, into the strongmen culture. A lot of these youth are already strong from working fields, or doing traditional industrial work, also their society as a whole hasn't been overly emasculated, men are expected to be strong, being weak or cowardly isn't really acceptable. This means more youth get interested in strongmen type activities, and the most genetically gifted are noticed right away and promoted up to where they can be found by leagues/officials etc.
Thirdly, the pride that people take within their history throughout the region, and in Iran specifically is huge. They really do still have a bit of an empire mindset in alot of ways. Religion also plays a big role within the strongmen culture in these areas. A lot of what you heard the Iranians saying when they came out, or were prepping for their lifts were traditional prayers. In eastern europe and much of central asia this is the case as well. A lot of the strength houses are also houses of worship in a way, except instead of lighting candles, they lift iron.
Fourthly, there are serious weightlifting, wrestling and strength/combat sports leagues within Iran and a few of the other countries in the region. I think our last serious weightlifter here in the US had to shill t-shirts to pay for his training, where as there cities take pride and watch teams compete against one another. Here "worlds strongest man" competitions are novelties reserved for off-hours ESPN, there they are tickets to fame, fortune, and sources of national pride.
Anyway just my observations..."
Iran just has the prefect cultural and economic circumstances to foster a good national wling program. They're too poor to have effective national anti-doping agencies, and for the most part their athletes only need to worry about infrequent wada tests and competition tests, they attach religious connotations toward strength and physical hardship, and nationally appreciate it as a sport, making it easy to get kids in relatively early. Their fundamental flaw seems to be technique (As Daigomi alluded to); like they are just miles behind a country like China which almost has a national system of teaching the lifts consistently and seems to produce excellent technicians. They're probably the worlds "strongest" weightlifters in terms of basic strength, just not quite there in the technique used to express that strength in the classical lifts.
Wow, thanks for that post Drowsy. Was both a good and informational read. What forum did you copy that from? Seems like a good forum, or atleast it was a good post
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
I didn't see that guy. I know Su Dajin cleans 'horribly.' Compared to Su, is MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH faster or slower? When Su cleans, it literally lands in front of the desired position, he walks forward and/or throws it backwards into the desired position.
Klokov and Akkaev have just missed both of their biggest chances to win an olympic gold. Disregarding the fact that both will be old and most likely not be in peak physical shape by Rio, Ilya Ilin's coach just announced that he is going to move up to the 105kg class. A very smart move by Ilin as Mohammadpourkarkaragh will mature immeasurably by Rio, and there really isn't any competition in the 105kg class except for Aramnau who is a bit of an enigma right now.
I have a question on cleans. Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans?
Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao
On August 16 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote: I have a question on cleans. Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans?
Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao
pull slow then, theres no reason to pull off the ground fast if you cant control it.
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
On August 16 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote: I have a question on cleans. Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans?
Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao
pull slow then, theres no reason to pull off the ground fast if you cant control it.
How do I learn how to control it?
edit: Wait, I'm in the wrong weightlifting thread lmao
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
I saw awesome technique lifts with one red light.
I don't trust those judges lol.
In general I think the judges were pretty harsh this Olympics. I saw a Shane Hamman video on NBC where he explains press outs and stuff and there was this lady who had the smallest press out I have ever seen in my life (like a 0.25 degree bend in the elbows, srs), and I swear I didn't see anything wrong in real time and the judges gave it 2 red lights. Hamman had to go slow mo and stop it right when the elbow bends and circle it and everything so I could see. Ridiculous.
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
I saw awesome technique lifts with one red light.
I don't trust those judges lol.
I finally managed to find a video of the 94kg group. To me, it still looks bent, especially when compared with some other people who got 2 red lights.
There is nothing against the rules for arms bending, just press outs. It may be aesthetically displeasing, but Yuri Zakharevich (one of the best weightlifters of all time) snatched with bent arms just because it was his natural lock out, and snatched 210 at 110kg, which beats the superheavies in the the 2012 olympics.
I did not see that particular lift, but maybe it was his shoulders externally rotating that makes his arms turn into an angle that looks like its bending but its really not. Akkaev does this a lot in his snatches. Catching a snatch or jerk with bent arms and standing up without pressing it out is extremely hard, much harder than actually just locking it out, imo.
On August 18 2012 23:13 lyAsakura wrote: There is nothing against the rules for arms bending, just press outs. It may be aesthetically displeasing, but Yuri Zakharevich (one of the best weightlifters of all time) snatched with bent arms just because it was his natural lock out, and snatched 210 at 110kg, which beats the superheavies in the the 2012 olympics.
I did not see that particular lift, but maybe it was his shoulders externally rotating that makes his arms turn into an angle that looks like its bending but its really not. Akkaev does this a lot in his snatches. Catching a snatch or jerk with bent arms and standing up without pressing it out is extremely hard, much harder than actually just locking it out, imo.
Yeah, but doesn't it need to be locked out? I always understood that the bar is only locked out when the elbows are straight.
On August 18 2012 23:13 lyAsakura wrote: There is nothing against the rules for arms bending, just press outs. It may be aesthetically displeasing, but Yuri Zakharevich (one of the best weightlifters of all time) snatched with bent arms just because it was his natural lock out, and snatched 210 at 110kg, which beats the superheavies in the the 2012 olympics.
I did not see that particular lift, but maybe it was his shoulders externally rotating that makes his arms turn into an angle that looks like its bending but its really not. Akkaev does this a lot in his snatches. Catching a snatch or jerk with bent arms and standing up without pressing it out is extremely hard, much harder than actually just locking it out, imo.
Yeah, but doesn't it need to be locked out? I always understood that the bar is only locked out when the elbows are straight.
Bro did too many curls, he can't extend his arms anymore :p
On August 16 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote: I have a question on cleans. Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans?
Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao
pull slow then, theres no reason to pull off the ground fast if you cant control it.
How do I learn how to control it?
edit: Wait, I'm in the wrong weightlifting thread lmao
just by more repetitions! Always keep the bar close! Every repetition should look the same!
btw Everyone has different lockouts so you cant really say the Iranian isnt locked out. I cant remember his lifts but as long as there is no elbow movement then it is fine.
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo).
yeah I noticed the slow clean as well. when I saw his first clean I thought "lol this looks waaay too heavy for him" but dear mother of god was he fast under the bar. and he definitely was strong enough to make those those other cleans as well. just needs a little bit more training for his technique (and his jerk) to improve
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years.
Definitely. Iran's wling program is just awesome. And for them lifting weights is a pseuo-religious experience, and anything done with religious conviction will always be done with a higher level of effort and dedication. Copied from another forum: "I motorcycled through Eastern Europe, Iran, Russia, and much of central asia back in the late 90's and I observed a few things which may point to the underlying reasons behind the Iranians success.
Firstly, throughout all these places, when you get to the smaller towns and villages you see a lot of pride and community backing behind the local strongmen. In Iran there is a long tradition of strongmen training zoorkhooneh's (roughly translated to Strength house), where they would basically gather and swing around gigantic club bells, lift heavy ****, try to one up each other and lift heavier ****. In much of the towns, some of the "influential" people in the town were basically the heads of these gyms, where as in others the gyms were kinda like little gangs. Either way, they garnered a lot of respect from the local populace.
Secondly, because of the culture noted above, it's easy to assimilate the local youth, who often have nothing better to do, into the strongmen culture. A lot of these youth are already strong from working fields, or doing traditional industrial work, also their society as a whole hasn't been overly emasculated, men are expected to be strong, being weak or cowardly isn't really acceptable. This means more youth get interested in strongmen type activities, and the most genetically gifted are noticed right away and promoted up to where they can be found by leagues/officials etc.
Thirdly, the pride that people take within their history throughout the region, and in Iran specifically is huge. They really do still have a bit of an empire mindset in alot of ways. Religion also plays a big role within the strongmen culture in these areas. A lot of what you heard the Iranians saying when they came out, or were prepping for their lifts were traditional prayers. In eastern europe and much of central asia this is the case as well. A lot of the strength houses are also houses of worship in a way, except instead of lighting candles, they lift iron.
Fourthly, there are serious weightlifting, wrestling and strength/combat sports leagues within Iran and a few of the other countries in the region. I think our last serious weightlifter here in the US had to shill t-shirts to pay for his training, where as there cities take pride and watch teams compete against one another. Here "worlds strongest man" competitions are novelties reserved for off-hours ESPN, there they are tickets to fame, fortune, and sources of national pride.
Anyway just my observations..."
Iran just has the prefect cultural and economic circumstances to foster a good national wling program. They're too poor to have effective national anti-doping agencies, and for the most part their athletes only need to worry about infrequent wada tests and competition tests, they attach religious connotations toward strength and physical hardship, and nationally appreciate it as a sport, making it easy to get kids in relatively early. Their fundamental flaw seems to be technique (As Daigomi alluded to); like they are just miles behind a country like China which almost has a national system of teaching the lifts consistently and seems to produce excellent technicians. They're probably the worlds "strongest" weightlifters in terms of basic strength, just not quite there in the technique used to express that strength in the classical lifts.
what an insightful post! thanks a lot I had no idea
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