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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:15 figq wrote: Korean weightlifter was up to try his lift and I could hear a female scream in the audience: "Fighting!" I thought that was some internal SC slang, or maybe it crept out to sports too. pretty sure it's a common expression in korea | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:17 AssuredVacancy wrote: pretty sure it's a common expression in korea I've heard arguments by oldschool BW fans that "Fighting!" is only used in BW and even sounds foolish to be used by SC2 fans etc. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On August 08 2012 03:36 AssuredVacancy wrote: Steiner is out.. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NY5Ff.gif) shit bro  hope he will be allright | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:19 figq wrote: I've heard arguments by oldschool BW fans that "Fighting!" is only used in BW and even sounds foolish to be used by SC2 fans etc. AssuredVacancy is right. It's a common expression in Korea and is not exclusive to BW. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:03 Snuggles wrote: I've been watching a bunch of these Olympic weightlifting videos and I didn't understand why they didn't look like monstrous bodybuilders even though they're stronger. So I googled it, now I understand that these men are as close as we can get to being super saiyans. It also makes me glad that training for strength will make me strong and not crazy looking. I always had it in the back of my mind what I would look like when the day finally comes when I can lift like you guys here at TL. Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition. Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs). | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
So sad after his epic 2008 performanceAnd yeah oly lifting = a lot of training in the 1-3 rep range. Gives you more quick twitch fibers and strength without increase in muscle mass/volume. Makes you very efficient for your size/weight. Bodybuilder muscles are inflated for their strength, they mostly do lower weight with a higher rep scheme that promotes growth in muscle size http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this theory, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is characteristic of the muscles of certain bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is characteristic of Olympic weightlifters.[17] | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:30 igotmyown wrote: Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition. Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs). Keyword is relative. Arnold still could squat 315 for 10 very easily and Ronnie Coleman has some ridiculous numbers like a 800 squat and dead or something. That Steiner gif kills me inside. Ouch. Lastly, I wish Bonk had pulled just a few more kilos... He is such a smooth lifter, it's great. Totally could have been the olympic champion too. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:30 igotmyown wrote: Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, relatively speaking. Arnold only squatted 135 regularly, because he found that lifting more just gave a lot of muscle mass with no little definition. Plus the most prominent bodybuilding muscles tend to be the most useless. You're not lifting the weight with your arms and shoulders anyway, and nobody really checks out quads and legs (and olympic athletes do have amazing legs). He switched to that to get more definition when he already was really huge, but he was capable of pulling 300kg deadlift. 300kg is a lot, but not that much relatively speaking. I think removing the press from weightlifting makes them look too small for my taste on the smaller weight classes. They just don't need any strength in the upper body other than required to stabilize weight. Akkav, Klokov and Ilya are exceptions. And wtf Liaojun, he needs to move up to 85kg and go after dymas recods. He is 1.72cm -.- Hopefully one day raw powerlifting will be added to the olympics ( :'( ) | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years. His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo). | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On August 08 2012 16:00 Zafrumi wrote: btw, did anyone else find that young kid from Iran in the 94kg class very VERY impressive? I mean, the guy (MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH Saeid was his name) looked pretty skinny (when compared to Ilyin) but he was right up there with the best of his category (182 snatch and 219 c&j).. I expect great things to come from this young man in the next few years. Definitely. Iran's wling program is just awesome. And for them lifting weights is a pseuo-religious experience, and anything done with religious conviction will always be done with a higher level of effort and dedication. Copied from another forum: "I motorcycled through Eastern Europe, Iran, Russia, and much of central asia back in the late 90's and I observed a few things which may point to the underlying reasons behind the Iranians success. Firstly, throughout all these places, when you get to the smaller towns and villages you see a lot of pride and community backing behind the local strongmen. In Iran there is a long tradition of strongmen training zoorkhooneh's (roughly translated to Strength house), where they would basically gather and swing around gigantic club bells, lift heavy ****, try to one up each other and lift heavier ****. In much of the towns, some of the "influential" people in the town were basically the heads of these gyms, where as in others the gyms were kinda like little gangs. Either way, they garnered a lot of respect from the local populace. Secondly, because of the culture noted above, it's easy to assimilate the local youth, who often have nothing better to do, into the strongmen culture. A lot of these youth are already strong from working fields, or doing traditional industrial work, also their society as a whole hasn't been overly emasculated, men are expected to be strong, being weak or cowardly isn't really acceptable. This means more youth get interested in strongmen type activities, and the most genetically gifted are noticed right away and promoted up to where they can be found by leagues/officials etc. Thirdly, the pride that people take within their history throughout the region, and in Iran specifically is huge. They really do still have a bit of an empire mindset in alot of ways. Religion also plays a big role within the strongmen culture in these areas. A lot of what you heard the Iranians saying when they came out, or were prepping for their lifts were traditional prayers. In eastern europe and much of central asia this is the case as well. A lot of the strength houses are also houses of worship in a way, except instead of lighting candles, they lift iron. Fourthly, there are serious weightlifting, wrestling and strength/combat sports leagues within Iran and a few of the other countries in the region. I think our last serious weightlifter here in the US had to shill t-shirts to pay for his training, where as there cities take pride and watch teams compete against one another. Here "worlds strongest man" competitions are novelties reserved for off-hours ESPN, there they are tickets to fame, fortune, and sources of national pride. Anyway just my observations..." Iran just has the prefect cultural and economic circumstances to foster a good national wling program. They're too poor to have effective national anti-doping agencies, and for the most part their athletes only need to worry about infrequent wada tests and competition tests, they attach religious connotations toward strength and physical hardship, and nationally appreciate it as a sport, making it easy to get kids in relatively early. Their fundamental flaw seems to be technique (As Daigomi alluded to); like they are just miles behind a country like China which almost has a national system of teaching the lifts consistently and seems to produce excellent technicians. They're probably the worlds "strongest" weightlifters in terms of basic strength, just not quite there in the technique used to express that strength in the classical lifts. | ||
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KOVU
Denmark708 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On August 08 2012 21:45 Daigomi wrote: His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo). I didn't see that guy. I know Su Dajin cleans 'horribly.' Compared to Su, is MOHAMMADPOURKARKARAGH faster or slower? When Su cleans, it literally lands in front of the desired position, he walks forward and/or throws it backwards into the desired position. | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
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Trizz
Netherlands1323 Posts
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans? Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On August 16 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote: I have a question on cleans. Right now, I have trouble keeping my form tight if I pull too hard from the ground. If I pull slower, then I have enough awareness to pull myself under the bar fast but if I pull really hard it's like my body refuses to switch from up to down. Any advice on how to overcome this? Should I just do a million heavy cleans? Getting under the bar fast feels funny because I'm not sure how my entire body got under the bar that fast but it's all there lmao pull slow then, theres no reason to pull off the ground fast if you cant control it. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On August 08 2012 21:45 Daigomi wrote: His lifts looked terrible though. I was honestly surprised he didn't get his lifts disqualified since his elbow was clearly bent on a few of them. Also, the C&J was amazingly painful. Honestly, he cleaned the bar more slowly than I lift my 5RM DL, and then somehow gets his chest under it. The numbers were good, but the lifts really weren't (imo). I saw awesome technique lifts with one red light. I don't trust those judges lol. | ||
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