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On January 12 2018 17:23 dsyxelic wrote: is liquibet going to include the lck matches that are coming up soon
Yup, was waiting for KSV icon/name but apparently, they're just going to use a placeholder. Now we're waiting for the icons to get uploaded to Liquibets. Fingers crossed it gets done today so we can get them out before the weekend.
I think casters tend to get into the Solo Q mentality of "more damage = better" without realizing the late game engage tools often mean more than how many dpsers you have. If your team doesn't have a way to start fights on their terms then it's very difficult to win late game fights even if you have the better damage scaling.
Which is pretty crazy. Has any pro ever transitioned from support to another roll full time?
I think some CN player, can't remember who. Also Jesiz if you consider him noticeable . Not many people switch roles, best example would be Ambition I think. Tends to only happen if the player has good game knowledge that can translate into shotcalling for their team.
Which is pretty crazy. Has any pro ever transitioned from support to another roll full time?
I think some CN player, can't remember who. Also Jesiz if you consider him noticeable . Not many people switch roles, best example would be Ambition I think. Tends to only happen if the player has good game knowledge that can translate into shotcalling for their team.
Jesiz went the other way, though so not exactly fair.
There were tens of famous role switches, and many of them to support (yellowstar most notably), but I cant recall any the other way. The only I remember is Krepo trolling when Froggen went Blitz.
Ornn seems so boring in these games. Feels like he has a better Braum ult on a lower cooldown and Ornn lanes basically appear skilless. Lots of Ornns losing, but IMO the most interesting games all had him banned.
He's super safe engage with super safe laning and super safe waveclear. Basically all the bad parts they said about Maokai yet months later they release him.
The games have been pretty boring last 2 days. KT series was major snooze mostly. I guess teams just aren't that practiced or comfortable so sloppiness is expected.
Isn't that always how it is with Riot? Say XXX is unhealthy, then release new champ that is XXX.
Problem is that they can't just go and rework new champions right off the bat, because then they'd admit they fucked up. Orrn is just hilariously frustrating to play against, he's a big rock in lane that you don't want to get too close to because it might decide to fall on you. 0 skill champ that somehow is also super meta, play him well and he has an impact on the game no matter how far he falls behind.
Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
Not even just that, but with how his ult works he can cross map initiate with far better aim because it comes too him. At least with somebody like Ashe has to put in some predictive measure.
Dude needs a cooldown on his passive like he does on ARAM.
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing.
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing.
How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against.
Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well.
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing.
How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against.
Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well.
yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing.
How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against.
Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well.
yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
When we talking about him it's more in context of tanks like Maokai and what Riot have done/said about them.
Even in this BBQ game you see how insanely long range Ornn's engage is while having a short cooldown and being safe. Sure he didn't win nor was he first pick worthy. That doesn't change that he's everything unhealthy with tanks that they claimed Maokai had to the point of reworking Maokai to make him less of an issue.
Kalista at worlds falls more in place of GP and Kass in prior seasons of just being a cut above everything else. You can't compare the level of contesting those picks to other ones, it's just in another league. Ornn falls more in line with Maokai of the past. A pick teams want but aren't going to rush to grab if other stuff is up, they'll just pick it when they can.
On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote: Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far.
koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing.
How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against.
Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well.
yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
Tell me, which tank would you pick ahead of Ornn or even alongside him? Other tops are Gnar/Vlad/GP and some Camille. He crowds out his complete role. I think that is the definition of broken. I also think he will potentially slowly move to support role more frequently.
KSV's logo bothers me so much. It's literally golden letters that a kid in kindergarten would make with the stencil that comes for free with his Buzz Lightyear pencil case.
edit: Also just wanted to say Ignar played like a beast last game. Trick I'm still not sold on as being actually good anymore but dam Ignar boy, calm down.
edit2: Papa just confirmed KSV is indeed Filler name until next split now. Got the impression it was a last minute deal but didn't quite realize how last minute.
When was the last time a tank was so broken that the whole game revolved around him. S3/4 Renekton? Just because he's not as bonkers-broken as Kalista does not mean he isn't an issue, that's setting the bar sky high.
The difference between Orrn and Kalista is that Orrn will still get through the PB phase. Once upon a time, Kalista/Kass were just straight up banned every single game, there was no thought process behind baiting picks or running a comp to counter the champs, they were just removed from the pick pool. Orrn does not have uber broken abilities, but when teams are looking for a high CC, solid laning tank, they will almost always pick Orrn unless they have a niche strategy (like running Zac-Orianna ball combo).
I forgot to vote for today, I'm such an idiot. Oh well...
My initial complaint about Ornn is that he is boring to watch, which I don't think is debatable, and he is worse than other tanks like Maokai, Sion, or Trundle. He's just like a boring A-Sol for toplane where he essentially makes skill in that lane irrelevant.
Also, Roach is an early leader for the Longpanda award. That was just an atrocity on both Ryze and Ornn (how can you miss so many ults? its a freaking fast line skillshot).
On January 19 2018 02:59 JimmiC wrote: Im sure that is true. But i could also see some NA team with no following making a bonkers offer and opening up a new market for him. Side not he says he has completely given up the boosting. And with what he makes streaming i believe
Even then, popular streamers still make more than if they went into/back into pros.
He said this many years ago. Could be his opinion changed over the years. Pro play has risen quite a lot over the years. Might be at the point where he's made enough money to try something new for a bit without hurting.
I think unless you're hungry for competition, being a full time streamer (esp with Apdo's level of eastern popularity) is always going to be considerably more profitable than going pro.
He was offered multiple times to go pro in China. There's probably two main reasons why he wouldn't go pro.
1. The hype would be enormous that if he missed even once CS it would be scrutinized (hyperbolic but you get my point). Why do that to your self when you can just chill and stream.
2. Apdo said that he thinks he can't go pro because he has to play on his setup exactly the way he wants. He bought like a dozen of the same mouse so that when/if it stops getting made he has enough to play forever.
Oh yeah, the Apdo setup, I've heard of it too. Pretty funny stuff though.
I agree that the hype that Apdo would be subjected to would be unreal, would be pretty daunting. And if his pro attempt fails, I'd imagine that his streaming career would be severely hit as well, because people don't think he's evil Faker anymore. Still, wish he'd consider going pro, I mean he's already made a lot of money, getting paid a decent amount as a pro wouldn't hurt him.
On January 19 2018 01:23 JimmiC wrote: This may not be the right thread but apparently apdo got unbanned and is already top of the korean ladder.
where did you hear this? i follow dopa a lot and his most recent account got banned at diamond. hes gotten a lot worse actually, probably because he spends so much time climbing from silver. he actually got demoted from masters to diamond with his last account before it got banned.
also dopa's setup isnt just an issue of his keyboard/mouse. he insists he needs to sit on his black chair and if he doesnt he cant focus properly. unfortunately as a progamer you dont get to choose the seat you sit on lol
also anyone know wtf happened to korean commentary? is it just impossible to find vods with korean commentary now or...
Apdo in pro play is not all that interesting. He is kind of like the KR SoloQ Hai that manages to drag his teammates to the right places, and/or anticipate where the enemy will try to kill his stupid teammates.That loses a lot of power when your teammates are on coms with you.
Missed the game 2. Just saw them picking Mao into Gnar and getting shit blasted. Was that how the game went?
Seeing Wolf in all 3 games today makes me question even more why SKT didn't pick up a jungler in the off-season. RO would have been pretty legit pickup for them.
What the hell is this game. Upgrade your shit Jin Air you got an Ornn dammit. Why does Ornn ulti not have a cooldown. Someone explain that masterclass of design.
Yeah that was hilarious. I think this about doubled the former cs record?
Tbf it was kind of the perfect storm with Sivir on one side and Ezrael / Kassadin on the other. Huge disparity in pushing waves and they can not reach her.
On January 20 2018 23:49 Numy wrote: The exciting part is watching Papasmithy slowly slip further and further into insanity. Will he last? Will he just end it himself?
Just watched the games, that was the funniest part of the whole series. I thought Papa was going to start swearing and banging his head on the table.
SKT didn't play too great, but I think the reason the game went so long was because JAG played super safe and didn't realize they could win team fights until very late. So they kept losing inhibs and hoping for very obvious picks. Surprised Faker got caught out multiple times, he's playing Kass lol.
I loved both comps in G2. IIMO Cait-ASol and Ryze-Kench are really good pairings. Kench ult with Ryze ult makes both of them actually work (mostly), while Sol-Cait is just a classic by now I think. SKT's decision to forget about how ADCs work in both G2 & 3 was crazy though.
Also, Kassadin lategame has to be memeworthy by now, right? Supports are too smart and the itemization is just heavily against the kind of super-dives he used to be known for. His ult should probably give him a shield for a significant % of the damage it does or something.
His ult should probably give him a shield for a significant % of the damage it does or something.
Kassadin does not need buffs, he does absurdly well in certain games. I think being high risk/reward is a good counterbalance to his insane mobility and clean up potential. If Faker had gotten fed early game, he'd have dumped incredibly hard on Jin Air, Sol would've had real problems even sitting in lane.
I haven't seen a pro game with a particularly effective kassadin in a long time. I am sure he dominates some scrims and some soloq games for exactly the reasons you stated, but I think with the way the game has progressed at the pro level a character with a short CD, low-medium impact ult like Kassadin, Jayce, etc is a snowball/midgame champ rather than a lategame champ. And Kassadin is not good at starting his own snowball as other assassins because of his derpy animations. Not that I think you can give him a straight buff, but I am saying in pro games he is definately not an elite lategame champion, and at least in Korea, I haven't seen a Kassadin be the catalyst for winning a game in a long time.
Kassadin mid gives away too much control to the opponent, imo. If he is against a pushing midlaner, the opposing jungler basically has free reign over the river in the early game. I dislike Fizz for the same reason.
How many games does Faker have to int for the casters to call him out on it? It's not like he's only just started either, Faker has looked like this for a while now.
Instead they do the opposite and 'Faker had a fantastic series', clearly we're not watching the same thing.
On January 24 2018 22:48 Ansibled wrote: How many games does Faker have to int for the casters to call him out on it? It's not like he's only just started either, Faker has looked like this for a while now.
Instead they do the opposite and 'Faker had a fantastic series', clearly we're not watching the same thing.
For a while now? Did Faker feed at Worlds or something?
Other than lazy backing what have Faker's mistakes been? His good flanks almost won them 2 lategame teamfights in G3 when they had a terrible comp that was lucky not to SA20.
Faker is the last player on SKT deserving of criticism, imo. He made some pretty stupid mistakes for sure, but at the very least top, jungle and support have looked way worse in games post-worlds.
Almost every time SKT were getting to a point of insurmountable advantage Faker made some kind of mistake of pushing too hard. You see this at the fight around drake where KT manage to turn it due to Pawn but Pawn goes to far in and dies. After both teams disengage Faker is still left chilling around the Drake pit by himself. He dies there for no reason given KT the drake. If he didn't die KT couldn't get the Drake which most likely would have gone to SKT. The lazy back was another earlier example of how he was building a large lead that was snowballing only for momentum to be killed by his mistake.
Ultimately Faker did a lot of work to get them into the game but at the same time he was also a big part of why things got turned around. It feels like he's in a state of desperation, trying too hard at every moment. I'm also not sure why you say G3 comp was horrible. It was pretty insane comp that basically had an unkillable vlad in the late game. His drive to go 120% can backfire, which in this game it did.
This is what low tier LCK teams look like, bottom half of the table isn't particularly high quality, though they can sometimes give the big guys some difficulties.
On a side note, CoreJJs KDA is hilarious, def most successful player to return from LCS.
On January 25 2018 18:22 Numy wrote: Almost every time SKT were getting to a point of insurmountable advantage Faker made some kind of mistake of pushing too hard. You see this at the fight around drake where KT manage to turn it due to Pawn but Pawn goes to far in and dies. After both teams disengage Faker is still left chilling around the Drake pit by himself. He dies there for no reason given KT the drake. If he didn't die KT couldn't get the Drake which most likely would have gone to SKT. The lazy back was another earlier example of how he was building a large lead that was snowballing only for momentum to be killed by his mistake.
Ultimately Faker did a lot of work to get them into the game but at the same time he was also a big part of why things got turned around. It feels like he's in a state of desperation, trying too hard at every moment. I'm also not sure why you say G3 comp was horrible. It was pretty insane comp that basically had an unkillable vlad in the late game. His drive to go 120% can backfire, which in this game it did.
Lolwut? They had no range against Azir-Ezreal and no one is unkillable against Azir (both Vlad and Jarvan could easily be popped in a single Jax stun if they try to dive). Really could have used the Galio they banned. They almost pulled it off because Pawn was wiffing ultimates left and right.
On January 25 2018 18:22 Numy wrote: Almost every time SKT were getting to a point of insurmountable advantage Faker made some kind of mistake of pushing too hard. You see this at the fight around drake where KT manage to turn it due to Pawn but Pawn goes to far in and dies. After both teams disengage Faker is still left chilling around the Drake pit by himself. He dies there for no reason given KT the drake. If he didn't die KT couldn't get the Drake which most likely would have gone to SKT. The lazy back was another earlier example of how he was building a large lead that was snowballing only for momentum to be killed by his mistake.
Ultimately Faker did a lot of work to get them into the game but at the same time he was also a big part of why things got turned around. It feels like he's in a state of desperation, trying too hard at every moment. I'm also not sure why you say G3 comp was horrible. It was pretty insane comp that basically had an unkillable vlad in the late game. His drive to go 120% can backfire, which in this game it did.
Lolwut? They had no range against Azir-Ezreal and no one is unkillable against Azir (both Vlad and Jarvan could easily be popped in a single Jax stun if they try to dive). Really could have used the Galio they banned. They almost pulled it off because Pawn was wiffing ultimates left and right.
Maybe Vlad wasn't unkillable. I'd have to do more thinking on that. The main take away is that Faker did two massive mistakes in the early-mid game that stopped his team from running away with the game. He may have been the one to push to get the advantages but he also was the big culprit in throwing them all away. Then the mistakes at the end obviously sealed the defeat but I feel those were less of an issue.
That's enough to criticize him for his performance. He did a lot of good but he also did some big bad mistakes. You can talk about his performance with both aspects.
edit: As an aside I can't help feeling LCK teams are being too risk adverse. We constantly see teams slowly lose grip of the game until they in a position where they just can't win yet they still take zero risks.
I'm not gonna give up on SKT yet, cause giving up on SKT is historically not very smart but it's not looking good. We'll have to see if Wolf makes a return to support, perhaps?
On January 29 2018 12:53 MooMooMugi wrote: Can anyone explain to me why Wolf is jungling for SKT? lol
from what his own explanation was; he was previously a jungler before he played support. his winrate in soloq with jungle is very good and hes fairly confident in the role. the coaches asked him if he wanted to try and he accepted and bengi coached wolf before the season started.
They have an easier schedule now so hopefully, they can grow in the next couple of weeks. SKT just makes stupid mistakes that are rather uncharacteristic of them. I think it's a problem with self-belief more than anything.
Pros would be better at playing it in context of the whole game but they aren't as good at OTP at laning and abusing that phase of the game. OTP basically live or die based on how badly they can abuse in that first phase of the game. At least for the most part.
I think some OTP can play their champion better than most pros, but some pros are wild good. Viper (that's the NA guy, right?) doesn't play Riven much better than Khan or Faker, if at all. There are quite a few LCK players who can rofl-stomp with Jayce too if he fit more into the meta.
Also with tanks and other low mechanical champs, most pros can probably play them very well in lane, besides the fact that being a OTP Maokai sounds like self inflicted pain. When you start talking about actual game knowledge, you're not really talking about OTP skills anymore.
One trick ponies might know some obscure matchups better, but for the most part they don't play against top laners of that level in solo queue. Nor is solo queue laning even close to how pro laning goes. In solo queue, people will die for a canon almost every time (just an over the top example to make my point). In pro, for the most part players are both willing and knowledgeable on when giving up CS is better than dying.
On February 01 2018 20:48 MiniFotToss wrote: What has happened to SKT? like seriously
The theory from Thorin's Korean talk show: SKT didn't want to deal with Huni and couldn't attract a good top laner. Blank was never great. Wolf is overrated and Bang benefited from having Faker and great tops in his solo lanes. SKT wanted to replace Wolf at support, but he's a large part of the shotcalling so they tried to fit him in jungle to still do that. Faker is tilted beyond belief because he isn't used to his teammates being this shit.
On February 02 2018 01:55 Gahlo wrote: Faker is tilted beyond belief because he isn't used to his teammates being this shit.
But he used to play with Bengi and Piglet
Shockingly, Piglet was once considered quite good. He dumpstered Uzi in lane in Worlds finals in some of the games. As for Bengi, he was never about mechanics, all he had to do was babysit Faker so he could destroy entire teams solo.
On February 02 2018 01:55 Gahlo wrote: Faker is tilted beyond belief because he isn't used to his teammates being this shit.
But he used to play with Bengi and Piglet
Shockingly, Piglet was once considered quite good. He dumpstered Uzi in lane in Worlds finals in some of the games. As for Bengi, he was never about mechanics, all he had to do was babysit Faker so he could destroy entire teams solo.
It's pretty well documented that before the finals Royal tried an experimental technique to transfer some of Uzis skill to Lucky, but it turned out it's like trying to fill a black hole.
Good fightback after a bad game 1 from ROX. Just not quite good enough to challenge the big guns yet. Still nice to see their mental fortitude and them not just giving up.
I mean, I don't even know how you can differentiate at this point. Untara seems to die to 100% of ganks and can't even pressure winning matchups. They appear to never have botlane pressure, and thus no wards in the river, faker has made a series of boneheaded plays when backing, and yes blank's pathing seems 100% predicatable so he dies in his own jungle all the time.
I feel like it could go either way. Realistically how much worse could he do than the current line-up? I could see this as a really good point to bring someone on for that reason, but I agree it could also be super high pressure. I guess it just depends on what SKT's goal is for the split.
LCK does have time during the split where teams can add to their rosters right? Or am I just imagining things?
If Blossom went in and carried SKT to a win, he'd instantly gain a massive fanbase. If he fails, everyone will probably just say 'Even new blood can't get this team out of the dumpster', unless he fucks up astronomically.
Think a lot of what is happening has to do with Kkoma and SKT being in unfamiliar territory, namely bottom quarter of the LCK. The pressure and expectations just weigh down the players, who feel like every mistake is a catastrophe, it's a downward spiral. Especially for Faker, going from the best player in the world to losing every game has got to really mess with your ego. Losing Worlds and crying was when it became blatantly obvious the guy isn't untiltable.
LCK does have time during the split where teams can add to their rosters right? Or am I just imagining things?
I believe for the first round you have to have the same team, but you can change your roster for round 2 of Spring.
So that means they have 3 series before they can sign up someone new. Kongdoo, BBQ, and KSV. Assuming KSV was going to beat them anyway regardless of form Kongdoo and BBQ should be beatable by even this roster. I guess it doesn't make sense to bring in Blossom, unless he is the long term SKT solution. Running Untara/Blank/Faker/Bang/Wolf should be enough to beat at least one of the Monsters and the Olivers. Then they get to righting the ship with....Bengi? Throw enough money at Marin?
Supports are a big issue here. Tahm and Braum just make it so hard for the team ahead to actually accomplish much even if they force errors. Tahm is especially bad at this. I think they tried to make some kind of Shadow Demon character but failed to understand what made Shadow Demon enjoyable or balanced. They removed all the nuance from him by making him a tank and with the ability to move while buying time.
So instead of the mid game leading to end game that they can close out. It becomes this stalled game which turns into a shitfest nexus defence.
He clearly performed better than these rookies so far, and Blank has never developed to become a proper main roster pick. Right now it's a question of talent, SKT is trying to to find people to fill the holes in their team, but the chances of picking up someone like Khan is basically zero. It looks like SKT might have to spend some big money and poach from other teams.
The casting for this game really missed the point, holy shit.
They spend the entire time talking about how ROX is in control of the game while they're 1/11 in kills just because their team comp which literally is only good at taking neutral objectives took neutral objectives. Apparently it doesn't matter that Jin Air stopped them doing anything with it and were stomping every fight, ROX deserved to win because they rushed baron as TK/Kalista/Chogath and Jin Air stole away the game.
On February 11 2018 17:25 MiniFotToss wrote: woah SKT is back? They are doing so well this game
Honestly it feels more like KSV mistakes than SKT being back. They're definitely showing signs of life though
Got trash talked for saying KSV wasn't a good team a couple weeks back and now it's finally showing. There are clear weaknesses in the team that are very abusable by teams that have a strong early game jungler.
On February 11 2018 17:25 MiniFotToss wrote: woah SKT is back? They are doing so well this game
Honestly it feels more like KSV mistakes than SKT being back. They're definitely showing signs of life though
Got trash talked for saying KSV wasn't a good team a couple weeks back and now it's finally showing. There are clear weaknesses in the team that are very abusable by teams that have a strong early game jungler.
I didn't really see game two but game 1 was moreso 'KSV makes one bad choice and SKT aren't THAT bad' for me. Like That was one of the worst tower dive defenses I've ever seen. They traded 3 kills, top TP, and 1+ (I don't remember if Thal got top turret or just severely damaged it) towers for a mid tower. You hand SKT that much gold ahead of you and they're not letting go ever. It just snowballed out of control.
G1 SKT didn't get that far ahead from the early game. It was only 30k to 28k when there was that toplane fight that was very spread out. Its just that they controlled the Cass very well, and frankly Cuvee was useless in both games.
Going to be honest, the snowballing in this meta is worse than 2013, it just happens to not involved laning skill all that often anymore, instead its whether you have enough people at the first major fight of the game.
On February 22 2018 15:32 cLutZ wrote: Going to be honest, the snowballing in this meta is worse than 2013, it just happens to not involved laning skill all that often anymore, instead its whether you have enough people at the first major fight of the game.
Peanut dumped on the top lane, but Kass is doing a lot better in the 1vs1 than I expected, outside of the cs difference the battles have been pretty close. Nice to see KZ dominating the early like they're supposed to.
WTF was KT's comp G2 against AF? 4 parts were a classic 1-4 splitpush+poke comp, then they had Score on Zac. This isn't an instant fail, except score just KEPT initiating fights. Very silly.
I like your phrasing better. I really want to see KT at Worlds again, watch Deft vs Uzi/iBoy, smack heads with EDG over who has the best laning phase etc. Instead they fail miserably every split, leaving everyone wondering how such a good team can be so insanely bad.
So what's the point of picking jungle Camille in a comp that wants to half-dive with Cho and Galio, half-disengage with Janna and Ezreal? I guess it won't matter since Galio made a point of suiciding twice mid and fed the Azir, but...
I think Camille is considered a pretty strong jungler right now, and her engage with Galio is pretty dope, can't escape from the double lock down. But it isn't very good when you fall behind
KSV just seem like a team without an identity desperately scrambling for one. It's time for them to go back to the drawing board. Whether this team is capable of continuing on unaltered is up for debate as well. Perhaps some fresh blood is necessary.
Honestly really interesting to see how poorly KSV and SKT are doing this season, while ROX and AF are doing very well, although I had a hunch AF would be top 5 material.
Riot just out and out straight up buffing Peanut to try and make pro play less boring. Now the Dota2 bullies can't mock league for not having any kills!
I like it. I dont agree with all those that say banner baron minions need to be hotfixed immediately.
Although the tracker's knife removal and reduced vision might actually be the bigger deal.
Also supposedly unbeatable baron pushes were beaten again. ROX failed twice with it while being 10k ahead in game 1. I dont think I have ever seen a fed Vlad do so little. Lindarang was just super passive in team fights. Did not do more dmg than Ornn..
I’d like to see empowered minions work like towers. You can’t hit them with spell damage, but your auto attacks do extra damage based on your ap. That way mages are not totally powerless, but they do need to walk forward into fight range to deal with them.
AP champions destroy super minions though because they have little MR, so having a creep that is hard for them to destroy is an interesting approach. Especially because most tanks struggle vs AP champs.
SKT just has such a talent deficit against the decent or better teams. If the game was 1-2-2 with all mirror matchups where junglers could only farm or gank mid they would probably lose both sidelanes and have only a tiny advantage mid.
On March 08 2018 22:07 AdsMoFro wrote: Blank Maybe next time.
You need to find a new jungler to cheer for.
speaking of which Was Blossom sick yesterday? Why wasn't he fielded?
Or Thal? I get wanting to run with your "A Team" but it clearly didn't work. Would Thal/Blossom have done so much worse to justify not sending in either? Hell KT subbed out Ucal after winning
Controversial opinion: SKT with Blossom has not gotten worse, the entire fucking LCK has gotten dramatically better as teams like ROX and Afreeca learn to play League.
Some taboo edgy "jokes" and I think aiming was memeing a right wing political party. Both of them were benched. Rascal probably will never play for KZ again.
man usually being an skt and tl fan resulted in a 'hey at least one of my teams is the best in the world and the other one of the worst in the region' and now both are just underperforming.
one of faker's worst splits and the rest of skt is not really any better
On March 15 2018 08:58 dsyxelic wrote: man usually being an skt and tl fan resulted in a 'hey at least one of my teams is the best in the world and the other one of the worst in the region' and now both are just underperforming.
one of faker's worst splits and the rest of skt is not really any better
At least Bang came back from his performances at the start of the split/worlds. Probably gonna need a 3-0 tho to make it to the playoffs.
Some taboo edgy "jokes" and I think aiming was memeing a right wing political party. Both of them were benched. Rascal probably will never play for KZ again.
Tl;dr for people that think that's a ridiculous punishment, I've heard it's basically the equivalent of somebody basically being in the KKK as far as "fucked up" goes.
On March 15 2018 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: what the fuck goes on in SKT scrims that Blank is still the starter anyway?
I feel like something has happened to Blossom? Maybe big stage nerves? Or maybe he got caught up in the aiming and rascal fiasco?
Rumor is this is Blank's account: http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=mobzio He might be doing better in scrims but his playstyle just doesn't work when Faker isn't playing well and you've still got Thal/Untara
Skipping playoffs and figuring out their team situation might be the better option at this point.
On March 15 2018 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: what the fuck goes on in SKT scrims that Blank is still the starter anyway?
I feel like something has happened to Blossom? Maybe big stage nerves? Or maybe he got caught up in the aiming and rascal fiasco?
Rumor is this is Blank's account: http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=mobzio He might be doing better in scrims but his playstyle just doesn't work when Faker isn't playing well and you've still got Thal/Untara
Yup, top lane almost never has pressure even when SKT draft for it. Tbh i think its time to put their tops on tank duty and go all in on the protect the bang strat cause he's bodying lane rn.
I wasn’t expecting SKT to win last night, so I welcome the faith age bs at this point lol. While I doubt SKT would ever let Faker go (orga treats him and his family really well), SKT has plenty of Top jungle issues as is.
That was disgustingly one sided. I'm really surprised Kiin is performing this well. He doesn't always pop off but he's never bad and can do pretty nasty stuff in game.
Alrighty, with that loss to ROX, KSV is faced with a very possible drop out of the top-5.
The 3 teams to watch and their schedules/standings/matchpoints:
KSV (Currently placed 4th - 9-8 [+1]): Plays KZ on Saturday (KR time). If they lose, their best possible game score is 9-9 (0). Their worst game score is 9-9 (-1)
ROX Tigers (Currently placed 5th - 9-8 [0]: Play Jin Air after KSV play on Saturday with a chance to lock up their playoffs spot with a win. If they lose 2-0, they could fall to 9-9 [-2]. If they lose 2-1 they could fall to 9-9 [-1]
SK Telecom T1 (Currently placed 6th 7-9 [-3]): Play MVP on Thursday and KDM on Sunday. MUST win both games to have any chance. If KSV loses 2-1, they will require a 2-0 in at least one game. If KSV loses 2-0, then a 2-1 in both games will guarantee them playoffs.
SKT hold the tiebreakers against BOTH KSV and ROX which may be crucial. ROX hold the tiebreaker against Samsung so if their game scores are equal, ROX will be in playoffs. If results fall as expected, the last game day of the season will determine the final spot of the playoffs!!
KSV (Currently placed 4th - 9-8 [+1]): Plays KZ on Saturday (KR time). If they lose, their best possible game score is 9-9 (0). Their worst possible game score is 9-9 (-1) ROX Tigers (Currently placed 5th - 9-8 [0]: Play Jin Air after KSV play on Saturday with a chance to lock up their playoffs spot with a win. If they lose 2-0, they could fall to 9-9 [-2]. If they lose 2-1 they could fall to 9-9 [-1] SK Telecom T1 (Currently placed 6th 8-9 [-1]): Play KDM on Sunday. MUST win to have any chance.
SKT hold the tiebreakers against BOTH KSV and ROX which may be crucial. ROX hold the tiebreaker against Samsung so if their game scores are equal, ROX will be in playoffs. If results fall as expected, the last game day of the season will determine the final spot of the playoffs!!
With that, LCK Spring Regular season is over! The first playoffs game will be SKT VS KSV in a rematch of Worlds! Unfortunately, it will be a bo3 since this is considered the "wildcard" match. Just a week ago SKT stomped. Will the same occur?!
On March 25 2018 19:35 DarkCore wrote: SKT did not play game 3 well, luckily KDM did everything you could possibly do wrong in the last 5-10 minutes of the game.
Just watched game three and this doesn’t resonate with me. I thought SKT was pretty on point throughout the game and the casting made the game seem a lot closer and more tense than it actually was.
SKT had a lot of champs with clear later midgame power spike. The bird spikes after finishing stacking rod and Seraphs. Sej needs 2 and a quarter items to turn on Warmogs. GP needs to get triforce and gage. During the ramp up phase as they tried to get to these break points SKT fell back gracefully giving up towers as needed to avoid giving up kills. They never traded worse than 1for1. And even trades are pretty good when you are just killing time waiting to come online. In addition SKT got pretty much all the neutral objectives and dragons even while they were ramping up. That was done through better positioning rotation and fighting even though they were weak at that point in the game. Then once their builds came on line they just won everything and steamrolled the game in short order.
Basically everything was going according to plan for SKT all game long. It’s just that early game the plan was to fall back gracefully as they scaled up.
Kai'Sa is so hilariously broken late game. Props to Bang for taking the initiative, but he was able to 1vs3 Karma/Cait/Braum and that just shouldn't be happening, doubt even Kog or Twitch could have put out that much dmg in so short a time. They banned her next game, think that's the only time we're going to see her.
Ruler has been playing extremely well this series, almost flawless position and dealing insane damage. Imo he was actually massively outperforming Bang in game 1, despite the game ending 1vs3.
On March 31 2018 19:16 DarkCore wrote: Ruler has been playing extremely well this series, almost flawless position and dealing insane damage. Imo he was actually massively outperforming Bang in game 1, despite the game ending 1vs3.
Ruler was easily KSV's best player. OTOH, Bang EZ and Faker Galio have to be the two most pedestrian carry performances on a winning Korean playoff team in years.
On April 01 2018 10:14 Ansibled wrote: Faker's Galio play where he gets caught out, comically misses every skillshot and gets away with 1HP after baiting KSV to die was hilarious.
yeah Faker performed pretty horrible, imo kt is going to blast skt 3-0
Was also a perfect showcase of why Renekton isn't played at all anymore. Not really blaming Thal unless he insisted on the pick.
Blank was completely outclassed by Score, really showed in the last 3 games. Felt everyone else on SKT was doing pretty well in comparison to their lows this split, but KT locked Blank down so hard, and he just isn't good enough to find a way to carry.
Thal has a really deep champion pool for a rookie, it's really amazing to see.
On April 04 2018 20:04 DarkCore wrote: Was also a perfect showcase of why Renekton isn't played at all anymore. Not really blaming Thal unless he insisted on the pick.
Blank was completely outclassed by Score, really showed in the last 3 games. Felt everyone else on SKT was doing pretty well in comparison to their lows this split, but KT locked Blank down so hard, and he just isn't good enough to find a way to carry.
Thal has a really deep champion pool for a rookie, it's really amazing to see.
Kkoma kinda hinted at the renek pick in the interview after the KSV games so it was probably pre-prepared.
SKT's lineups seemed kind of old-fashioned to me. That Swain-Jarvan combo and Khazix-Azir felt so much like a S2/S3 comp with Karthus/Anivia mid with a squishy ward-bot jungler.
Casters mentioned it, but SKT ran Swain mid like he's some kind of scaling champ. Think it has to do with Blank's general lack of pressure, but KT ran the champion very differently when they got a hold of him.
On April 06 2018 04:29 DarkCore wrote: Casters mentioned it, but SKT ran Swain mid like he's some kind of scaling champ. Think it has to do with Blank's general lack of pressure, but KT ran the champion very differently when they got a hold of him.
Indeed, the Swain pick was played so oddly. It looked like they were like, "ahaha its like S2 Karthus/Vlad" we go in, ult, spam, Zhonyas, then spam again then die! But look I also got everyone on the other team to 10% on my own and scored a double kill!
Watching the last series, I felt like Thal is good enouph to play top lane on a high level LCK team, and I never watched Untara play and thought he was good enouph to be there. So I am somewhat optimistic for SKT. The jungle is weak, but with some practice they could come into form again.
KT didn't play that badly though, it's just AF had some seriously good preparation, and pulled out surprise picks that worked very well. I honestly did not expect to see Yasuo in a game this season outside of maybe Scout. AF totally deserved the series.
On April 08 2018 20:31 MiniFotToss wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but is AFs going into their first ever LCK Finals?
Yes. Ez liquibet. OOV went galactic brain with pick bans this series.
iloveoov is the most successful coach in the KesPA era of Starcraft and Starcraft 2 (coach of SKT), so no surprise that he transitioned it into results so fast as a coach in LOL
On April 08 2018 23:26 DarkCore wrote: KT didn't play that badly though, it's just AF had some seriously good preparation, and pulled out surprise picks that worked very well. I honestly did not expect to see Yasuo in a game this season outside of maybe Scout. AF totally deserved the series.
IDK I feel like they kinda did. Casters always make fun of KTs macro, and I usually think they overrate the macro problems a bit (just like they overrate KT's players, mostly Deft & Score), but in this series they had a couple of "WTF" moments, including their Yasuo obsession in G4.
AF cannot give Pray Kai again, she's the perfect champion for their playstyle. Someone gets CCed, Pray repositions himself like the last fight and AFs frontline look incredibly out of position suddenly.
Soil is irrelevant for most of the game except the very early levels and once it gets maxed, lv 1 W does extremely little damage in the mid game. But I did notice that AF would back off when they saw it, think some people have the DoT from Morg mid burned into their subconscious.
KZ got Kai again, and they're runnning Morg as well. No Varus though, which is nice.
On April 14 2018 20:28 Ansibled wrote: Is Rageblade Jhin actually disabled? lol...
I think I read on reddit that between it's passive and Jihns it gives him something like 400AD when stacked. Leaving that interaction usable sinks a ban on red side.
On April 14 2018 20:28 Ansibled wrote: Is Rageblade Jhin actually disabled? lol...
I think I read on reddit that between it's passive and Jihns it gives him something like 400AD when stacked. Leaving that interaction usable sinks a ban on red side.
It’s so unwieldy to stack on Jihn it’s strong but not crazy (I’d take Kai’Sa I’ve that any day of the week)
On April 14 2018 20:28 Ansibled wrote: Is Rageblade Jhin actually disabled? lol...
I think I read on reddit that between it's passive and Jihns it gives him something like 400AD when stacked. Leaving that interaction usable sinks a ban on red side.
It’s so unwieldy to stack on Jihn it’s strong but not crazy (I’d take Kai’Sa I’ve that any day of the week)
Yes, now imagine you're red side and you have to 1st ban phase both of them.
On April 14 2018 20:28 Ansibled wrote: Is Rageblade Jhin actually disabled? lol...
I think I read on reddit that between it's passive and Jihns it gives him something like 400AD when stacked. Leaving that interaction usable sinks a ban on red side.
It’s so unwieldy to stack on Jihn it’s strong but not crazy (I’d take Kai’Sa I’ve that any day of the week)
Yes, now imagine you're red side and you have to 1st ban phase both of them.
I don’t usually watch lower tier LCK games (regular season I watch the games where at least one side is a the top 4 team), so I don’t know which games to watch in promotions / relegations. Any really good games I should make a point of seeing?
If there's one game I'd recommend, it's game 1 of KDM vs Griffin. Not because it was that high level, but it shows that KDM really shouldn't be in LCK, and you get a feel for how Griffin plays. I'd watch it at 1.5 speed though, because it's a pretty slow game.
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