EPTCLG fumbling against Turkey still leaves a pretty big chance for G2 to advance, assuming that neither of those is going to beat FW/RNG/SKT T1 in the second round.
Tfw we might have team with THREE wins advancing, what a disaster.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
CLG fumbling against Turkey still leaves a pretty big chance for G2 to advance, assuming that neither of those is going to beat FW/RNG/SKT T1 in the second round. Tfw we might have team with THREE wins advancing, what a disaster. | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On May 06 2016 05:55 Hider wrote: Because its their job and they showed up like professionals. What you basically are saying is this: Why do you even work if you ever take one single vacation during your life time? Terrible example for 2 reasons: 1. In that context the job is to make the presentation. The job of a progamer is not to practice everyday 24/7. 2. In that example he is screwing up the company whom he has a responsbility for. On the other hand, players do not have a contractucal or even ethical responsbility to never take any vacation for the fans. This is just in you and your fanbuddy's imagination. A better example is this: You work at a job where computers are used and not having taking a vacation for months. Then one day the computers stop working and it is told they won't be working for the next 2 weeks. Since you won't work efficiently while the computers are not working, you ask your boss to allow you to take a vacation during those 2 weeks. He grants you commision, and 2 weeks after you start working again. lol ?! Ok, first sentence is ok if they don't have competition spirit. Second sentence, two possibilities : one, I'm so bad in english you did totally missed the sense of what I wrote (totally not impossible). Second, you are trolling. When you are to meet with some task you can't avoid, two solutions : either you do it without any preparation (which means you'll probably do bad), and then you sandbag your ego and don't go like "Sorry, in fact we are good, it's just that we didn't even give a fuck  ", or you prepare and do the best you can.I'd pass on the fanbuddy thing lmao. Thing is, i'm not a fan of G2 anyway so you're point is not even slightly relevant. About the example : You are employed by a company (the players are employed by a company). You are asked to do a presentation on smthg in 2 weeks (the players are asked to represent their company to an international event, aka MSI). You take 2 weeks of vacation (they take two weeks of vacation). You show up at that meeting and tell everyone you're sorry but you coudln't make any presentation cause you were on vacation (the players shows up and say that they're not really that terrible, it is just that they didn't practise). How in the world is that professional ? Easier to get for you ? The only way my example is not relevant is if their company did not ask them to work to prepare for that competition. Which I highly doubt. Also, from one post of you above, you never did more than 4 months of work without a vacation ? How many vacation week do you have in Denmark ? (genuine question); Cause here in France we have 5, with for a lot of people at least 3 taken during july/august (companies closing, ...). So it's not at all uncommon to work more than 4 months without vacation... | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
reddit isnt actually upset that they took a vacation it couldve been anything. they're just latching onto any reason to blame g2 for not performing well. g2 just fed them the excuse they could use. im sure whatever issues they had with scrims and extended vacation time had some effect on their performance, but it's grossly exaggerated for sure. there are definitely many other reasons that we/reddit do not know of but this vacation meme is the one reddit knows the name of so they're just using that one. if anything I think that this whole thing blowing up has a worse impact on the g2 players/team than the actual vacation itself. they're definitely feeling the heat right now and the group stage is not even halfway over. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
On May 06 2016 05:40 nafta wrote: Completely ignores it is probably just a job for most of the players who aren't 17 anymore. Typical behaviour of people who can't take a second to look at things from the other person's perspective. Talking about the tl;dr didn't read the article. Therein lies the trick; most players who treat the sport/game as just a job are also still professional about it. They are aware of their side of the bargain, their work obligations. They get the big picture of the money chain. That the fans are at the root of where the money for their paycheck comes from, be it through either directly spending on tickets/merchandise/whatever or indirectly through being the eyeballs which sponsors want to get the attention of. At some level, they have to understand how this whole thing is a business. | ||
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Skitter
United States899 Posts
On May 06 2016 06:29 dsyxelic wrote: lets be real reddit isnt actually upset that they took a vacation it couldve been anything. they're just latching onto any reason to blame g2 for not performing well. g2 just fed them the excuse they could use. im sure whatever issues they had with scrims and extended vacation time had some effect on their performance, but it's grossly exaggerated for sure. there are definitely many other reasons that we/reddit do not know of but this vacation meme is the one reddit knows the name of so they're just using that one. if anything I think that this whole thing blowing up has a worse impact on the g2 players/team than the actual vacation itself. they're definitely feeling the heat right now and the group stage is not even halfway over. This is basically spot on, and certainly way better of a response than the current slapfight about not practicing. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 06 2016 05:51 Numy wrote: A lot of people are young or not in touch with reality. Really if they actually working 10 hours a day 6 days a week every week then they just doing things really wrong and I'm slightly confusing how that's even legal. Is there no maximum continuous labour hours in EU? I'm of the opinion that they really want to do 4-6 hours of efficient work a day on league then rest as a mixture of rest and taking care of their bodies(physically/mentally). Shouldn't require a 2 week break with a proper laid out schedule that doesn't waste a lot of time or create needless burnout from overworking. Never got why League community in general has such a hardon for "must practice 10 hours a day to get good" idea. If anything this whole situation shows how terrible their coaching staff and management are. In sports it's pretty important to manage your teams resources and one of those resources is your players mental/physical health. There is a fine line between being forced to work 60 hours a week, and voluntarily putting in extra time. I'd also bet them arbitrarily pounding out 60 hour work weeks is probably much less efficient than 4 to 6 well planned and prepped training sessions. I would bet many teams could get away with a third of their current scrims. Especially if they added a sandbox mode and replays. For some reason I bet if a pro-team requested these, they'd have them right away. If I was TSM i'd have funded that shit ages ago. Then you could practice setting up rotations pointedly. Just 5 minutes prepping waves, rotating, bam. Do it again. Then flip it around, reload the replay, have other team rotate on you. I feel like maybe a 3rd of the time practicing should be scrims, a third VoD reviews (imo each player should watch the entire game from the perspective of their screen, have a coach break down all the things they did well, all the things they need to do better to a microcosm), and the rest rotation drills. I think practicing full games is hella inefficient. I have a feeling a lot of the "60 hours a week" these guys are practicing is Soloqueue, which I'm sorry, is bullshit. I mean, soloqueue is kinda grindy, but I dont really think it can be counted towards their practice workload. There are tons of players here on TL that work 40 hour weeks and then play 20+ hours of soloqueue. On May 06 2016 06:29 dsyxelic wrote: lets be real reddit isnt actually upset that they took a vacation it couldve been anything. they're just latching onto any reason to blame g2 for not performing well. g2 just fed them the excuse they could use. im sure whatever issues they had with scrims and extended vacation time had some effect on their performance, but it's grossly exaggerated for sure. there are definitely many other reasons that we/reddit do not know of but this vacation meme is the one reddit knows the name of so they're just using that one. if anything I think that this whole thing blowing up has a worse impact on the g2 players/team than the actual vacation itself. they're definitely feeling the heat right now and the group stage is not even halfway over. It seems pretty clear to me that they aren't really prepared for the tournament. Its not even like they've showed a single good game. They have no coordination, they are drafting poorly... they look like a soloqueue team, not a regional champion. Its kind of embarrassing to the integrity of eSports in general. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
Straight up plain suckitude generates disappointment and some saltiness, but it doesn't really cause anger. At least, not really deep anger. But overall, people still accept (at various levels) that sometimes their team was just outgunned. It's like living with well-meaning ineptitude. Yea, some people will still be dicks, but overall, people won't be too nasty about it. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 06 2016 07:11 Itsmedudeman wrote: You guys do realize that no other team there did the same thing right? CLG practiced against challenger teams to stay in shape. No one's asking for G2 to go above and beyond. It's simply the standard to prepare for a tournament. I dont think you really need to prep against top tier opponents to play a top tier opponent. People make "scrimmed a challenger team" sound bad, but really... if you train a challenger team how to do certain tactics SKT typically would for example, and defend against it 20 times, it is probably just as good. Takes the fear of the opponent away, also gives you confidence as you have beaten the tactic before. Not only that, but by the end of the scrim session, the challenger team probably is executing that tactic pretty damn well. Literally every champion ever in everything that has ever been defeated was defeated by someone who trained against someone much worse than them. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 06 2016 06:29 Saradin wrote: Therein lies the trick; most players who treat the sport/game as just a job are also still professional about it. They are aware of their side of the bargain, their work obligations. They get the big picture of the money chain. That the fans are at the root of where the money for their paycheck comes from, be it through either directly spending on tickets/merchandise/whatever or indirectly through being the eyeballs which sponsors want to get the attention of. At some level, they have to understand how this whole thing is a business. Some people just want to do ok at their job others want to be good at it. Everyone keeps telling players they should stream/work on building up a social media following but some just don't give a shit. This is the same thing. On May 06 2016 07:17 iCanada wrote: I dont think you really need to prep against top tier opponents to play a top tier opponent. People make "scrimmed a challenger team" sound bad, but really... if you train a challenger team how to do certain tactics SKT typically would for example, and defend against it 20 times, it is probably just as good. Takes the fear of the opponent away, also gives you confidence as you have beaten the tactic before. Not only that, but by the end of the scrim session, the challenger team probably is executing that tactic pretty damn well. Literally every champion ever in everything that has ever been defeated was defeated by someone who trained against someone much worse than them. bs Scrimming vs challenger teams is absolutely pointless. You should play a couple of games just to stay in shape but other than that it doesn't improve you at all. In fact it would probably make them play even worse. It would only be useful if the challenger teams have been tryharding for a while and are looking like a lock for lcs. People don't seem to realize how big the gap is. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Obviously your scrim partner can't be incompetent, but you don't require them to be as good as your opponent. You just require them to be able to execute some of the things you are concerned about in your opponents play. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
is true it's better if you can run full difficulty drills forever (he we the big advantage in the 2-team/10 man roster Korea used to run)but that doesn't make working it against weaker teams worthless. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9151 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Gadovi
United States9 Posts
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fantasticoranges
1327 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:47 739 wrote: Spawn & Quickshot, best caster combo you could imagine ! Maybe they're saving the actual casters for the spotlight G2 vs SM game. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Poland9151 Posts
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