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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 05 2016 12:20 GMT
#461
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that nidalee wasn't worth the first pick.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 12:30:08
May 05 2016 12:22 GMT
#462
On May 05 2016 21:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that nidalee wasn't worth the first pick.


Especially not when Kindred is hands down the best champ in the game right now.

Edit: I don't think Blank is strong on Nid. And Faker doesn't have any early/mid game impact on Azir.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 12:31:37
May 05 2016 12:31 GMT
#463
Really all that needs to be said.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
May 05 2016 12:54 GMT
#464
Seriously ?

What kind of day was that ?

SKT goes 0-2, RNG goes 2-0, SUP goes 1-1 ? Like, WHAT THE FUCK ON EARTH is actually happening ?

I was definitely not hyped for this MSI compared to the previous one coz I'm a huge Fnc fanboy. Now I'm just getting more and more into it..
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 05 2016 13:20 GMT
#465
LMAO that SKT vs FW game -_-;;; damn LMS too stronk

I'm kind of hyped for tommorow games.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 05 2016 13:45 GMT
#466
On May 05 2016 20:51 Amui wrote:
So far from what we've seen.

CN>=KR=SEA>TCL>NA>EU

Why do people still take bo1s so seriously I thought we were supposed to be over it lol?

Skt looked 50 times better than rng in the game they lost for example. It should have been a 25 minute stomp at worst
Radoq
Profile Joined January 2015
1809 Posts
May 05 2016 14:54 GMT
#467
On May 05 2016 22:20 739 wrote:
LMAO that SKT vs FW game -_-;;; damn LMS too stronk

I'm kind of hyped for tommorow games.


Good on you for changing from Gold2 to H2what.

And people bet on undefeated skt run lol.
Skitter
Profile Joined August 2015
United States899 Posts
May 05 2016 15:03 GMT
#468
yo azarkon where you at
xd
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
May 05 2016 15:18 GMT
#469
Wow, exciting day. Great for the underdog-who's-actually-trying Supermassive to pick up a win; rooting for them to beat G2.

...and if G2 keeps this slide going, them going sixth and reducing EU's group draw to one spot in pool 2 and two spots in pool 3 is an actual possibility. 'EU has a higher percentage of their seeds in the bottom pool than the Wildcards' would be technically true in that case. That'd be a hell of an ignominious storyline for the rest of the season.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
May 05 2016 15:52 GMT
#470
Yea i think that skt comp is going into the dumpster. Blank nid especially is unimpressive


Incoming some kind of karma zilean or lulu juggering up bang lucian or sivir
TL/SKT
Gadovi
Profile Joined May 2015
United States9 Posts
May 05 2016 16:34 GMT
#471
So if Supermassive manages to beat EU and NA today, I'm all for supporting the previously unconsidered 3rd possibility where both EU and NA lose their 1st seeds at worlds.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 05 2016 16:42 GMT
#472
So after a 12 hour flight and being awake for like 40 hours I check MSI results and I'm not sure if I'm just out of it :D
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:06:41
May 05 2016 16:43 GMT
#473
You shouldn't really use absurd analogies in a discussion, it doesn't prove anything or further the discussion at all.


The issue is that the fans feel that they are entitled to watch a team give them selves 100% (instead of like 80%), which they are not. Just like other people cannot demand that I eat healthy. Hence why the analogy is relevant.

These fans fits my stereotype of people having nothing else going for them in their life and is living through their own life through the teams. Otherwise there is no reason to get so emotionally invested in G2 not performing well.

Would I like G2 to perform better? Yes as a European ofc. But when they don't perform, I am like "oh that sucked. I wished they had practiced more" and then I move on with my life. And sure, if you have constructive criticism/analysis, present that, but stop with the excessive venting.

I recommend watching Thorins video on the topic. He focussed more on the ball than the man which I liked.

People are under no responsibility to not be upset for them not trying though either.

And given that logic, I am also allowed to be upset about everything you do in life that you are not doing 100%.

In reality, I am not upset because I don't asses my self-worth based on what you are doing in your life. But (some) fans do this about teams, and this is why I find them ridiculous.

And now we are touching on another topic: The double-standard. The fans them selves demand that their favourite team works 100% all the time while they constantly cut corners them selves. I know I've taken a ton of shortcuts in my life; hence why I am not a professional gamers or in the absolute top 0.0001% of my field. And I am probably not alone.

Thus the core issue I believe is the fans self-esteem/perception of their self-worth (or lack of). If your self-esteem stays unchanged when a team losses, you don't feel "upset" or "insulted" afterwards.

Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 16:58:01
May 05 2016 16:57 GMT
#474
That's just what fandom of anything really is though; the investment of your non-work/family time and emotions. To what extent and how it manifests certainly varies wildly, but at the end of a day, being a fan means giving a shit. Most people who aren't part of your family wouldn't really care about your diet on an emotional level; they aren't fans of you.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 05 2016 16:57 GMT
#475
On May 06 2016 01:43 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
You shouldn't really use absurd analogies in a discussion, it doesn't prove anything or further the discussion at all.


The issue is that the fans feel that they are entitled to watch a team give them selves 100% (instead of like 80%), which they are not. Just like other people cannot demand that I eat healthy. Hence why the analogy is relevant.

These fans fits my stereotype of people having nothing else going for them in their life and is living through their own life through the teams. Otherwise there is no reason to get so emotionally invested in G2 not performing well.

Would I like G2 to perform better? Yes as a European ofc. But when they don't perform, I am like "oh that sucked" and moving on with my life. Or if you have constructive criticism/analysis, present that, but stop with the excessive venting/insults.

I can also recommend watching Thorins video on the topic. He focussed more on the ball than the man which I liked.

Show nested quote +
People are under no responsibility to not be upset for them not trying though either.

And given that logic, I am also allowed to be upset about everything you do in life that you are not doing 100%.

In reality, I am not upset though because I don't asses my self-worth based on what you are doing in your life. But (some) fans do this about teams, and this is why I find them ridiculous.

And now we are touching on another topic: The double-standard. The fans them selves demand that their favourite team works 100% all the time while they constantly cut corners them selves.


Why do you bother with 14 year olds on the internet who think pro players MUST play 14 hours every day and give up everything in their life for this "dream" lol?
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:01:14
May 05 2016 17:00 GMT
#476
That crosses over into contractual obligations and what their employers (the orgs) want out of them as employees. (which points back to G2's management being ultimately responsible here)
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:06:16
May 05 2016 17:06 GMT
#477
Why do you bother with 14 year olds on the internet who think pro players MUST play 14 hours every day and give up everything in their life for this "dream" lol?


Good question. One thing I realized after playing CS:GO w/ voice chats is how much easier it is to just "mute" people who are obvious idiots. Whereas when people who write dumb stuff on the Internet I - for some reason - take them serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 05 2016 17:06 GMT
#478
On May 06 2016 02:00 Saradin wrote:
That crosses over into contractual obligations and what their employers (the orgs) want out of them as employees. (which points back to G2's management being ultimately responsible here)

at the end of the day what matters is winning/advertising properly. Nobody cares how much you practice if you can deliver.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
May 05 2016 17:07 GMT
#479
What if SKT prepared just as hard as G2 except they are significantly stronger so it's not looking just as bad?
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:28:12
May 05 2016 17:14 GMT
#480
That is absolutely true. But the other side of that coin is the consequences for not delivering on that. The current state right now does not bode well for G2's brand. They can turn it around by winning from here on out. If that happens, this will be forgotten or laughed off afterwards. But if things remain the same, this just becomes infamous.

Announcing that they took a vacation was just a bad PR move all around. It had practically no upside, paired with plenty of backlash should they end up flaming out. Simply keeping their mouth shut would've been better simply because it wouldn't allow the possibility of stigma on the instinctive level.

Edit:
Hypothetically, even if SKT were to have slacked off to explain today's losses, it still is perfectly plausible to write them off in public memory for a few different possibilities. Bad days can happen. RNG and FW overperformed. Bad day + opponents overperformed coincided. Fluuuuuke. They may or may not be true, but these are possibilities that come to mind for the general public wayyy before 'SKT slacked off'.
Heck, notice the wording I used? I'm implicitly giving SKT the benefit of the doubt and make the assumption that they'd never do something like that. Their track record helps. The culture they come from helps. THEM NOT SAYING 'WE WENT ON VACATION' SURE AS FUCK HELPS.

Gah, that announcement was such a terrible move by G2 management. That alone hamstrung them by removing benefit of the doubt.
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