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On October 18 2015 02:28 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 MuddyJam wrote:
they going to stop sandbaging yet? next worlds best believe With GODV's varus Q there they might have a shot. honestly think 5.16 was huge in China's downfall like yeah at some point that doesn't excuse everything but they had such amazing p/bs in LPL and they go to worlds and look clueless, all the other major regions (except maybe NA) just got a better grasp on the patch, faster. again china is the only region who had 2 teams qualify from 5.16 while na/eu played on 5.14 entirely playing on 5.16 like half a week after it's out and teams weren't taking full advantage of darius/gp etc. and actually understanding the juggernaut meta are 2 separate things though. Yea but how can you use it as an excuse then? The other regions qualified on a patch that has nothing to do with this one. In lpl they played those same champions that are played right now and the team that could play them the best qualified. Hell ig qualified mostly because of this patch.
There's no question that the LPL Worlds played this patch the worst out of all the major regions though. Even NA looked like they had a better handle on it.
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On October 18 2015 02:28 FKAri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 FKAri wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 KissBlade wrote:
Very humbling experience for the LPL scene. By far the most hyped region coming into the tournament and the worst Worlds performance yet. Arguably the worst international performance from them since Season 2. I think hubris was their downfall not communication. They had the high of MSI and just showed no adaptation to 5.18 compared to the other regions. wonder if they'll just get more determined, go harder next year. Worked for Samsung White. so what youre saying is LGD worlds champs season 6 Only if imp's on it  Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:28 Inflicted wrote:On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 FKAri wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 KissBlade wrote:
Very humbling experience for the LPL scene. By far the most hyped region coming into the tournament and the worst Worlds performance yet. Arguably the worst international performance from them since Season 2. I think hubris was their downfall not communication. They had the high of MSI and just showed no adaptation to 5.18 compared to the other regions. wonder if they'll just get more determined, go harder next year. Worked for Samsung White. so what youre saying is LGD worlds champs season 6 Worlds curse too strong for SKT Or is it....? :O
At this point I'm willing to believe conspiracy theories of Riot interference to prevent a single team monopoly.
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On October 18 2015 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
Down to 21 (from 31) for Championship Riven
Wut?
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On October 18 2015 02:28 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 MuddyJam wrote:
they going to stop sandbaging yet? next worlds best believe With GODV's varus Q there they might have a shot. honestly think 5.16 was huge in China's downfall like yeah at some point that doesn't excuse everything but they had such amazing p/bs in LPL and they go to worlds and look clueless, all the other major regions (except maybe NA) just got a better grasp on the patch, faster. again china is the only region who had 2 teams qualify from 5.16 while na/eu played on 5.14 entirely playing on 5.16 like half a week after it's out and teams weren't taking full advantage of darius/gp etc. and actually understanding the juggernaut meta are 2 separate things though. Yea but how can you use it as an excuse then? The other regions qualified on a patch that has nothing to do with this one. In lpl they played those same champions that are played right now and the team that could play them the best qualified. Hell ig qualified mostly because of this patch.
because like I said, playing on the patch (with op skarner, without hotfix Darius, with players playing GP poorly, without fiora being a huge pick in the meta), is different from understanding the meta. Like if I'm saying the big problem is them not understanding p/b and both teams aren't running juggernaut style comps, then having a couple series on the 5.16 patch less than a week after it comes out doesn't mean that they understand the patch at all.
Like look at the champs they played in that gauntlet. Heca/mao/gnar/lulu top still the meta, no darius, no fiora, barely any GP, no Tahm Kench, Azir/viktor still dominant, etc.
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On October 18 2015 02:31 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
Down to 21 (from 31) for Championship Riven Wut?
Need 100% pick ems for Champ Riven skin
Was 31 players with perfect score before this series and now it's 21
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On October 18 2015 02:32 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:31 Doctorbeat wrote:On October 18 2015 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
Down to 21 (from 31) for Championship Riven Wut? Need 100% pick ems for Champ Riven skin Was 31 before this series and now it's 21
Oh that.
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On October 18 2015 02:32 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:31 Doctorbeat wrote:On October 18 2015 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
Down to 21 (from 31) for Championship Riven Wut? Need 100% pick ems for Champ Riven skin Was 31 players with perfect score before this series and now it's 21
koo kt will cut it down even more i think, that series will be the closest of the 4
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Just got in, surprised the matches took this long considering the score. What happened?
Also FNATIC!!!
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Buzzword(s) of the day: win condition
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On October 18 2015 02:34 Ysellian wrote:
Just got in, surprised the matches took this long considering the score. What happened?
Also FNATIC!!!
g2 was 25 minutes in then had to be remade after like a half hour pause
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On October 18 2015 02:31 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:28 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 MuddyJam wrote:
they going to stop sandbaging yet? next worlds best believe With GODV's varus Q there they might have a shot. honestly think 5.16 was huge in China's downfall like yeah at some point that doesn't excuse everything but they had such amazing p/bs in LPL and they go to worlds and look clueless, all the other major regions (except maybe NA) just got a better grasp on the patch, faster. again china is the only region who had 2 teams qualify from 5.16 while na/eu played on 5.14 entirely playing on 5.16 like half a week after it's out and teams weren't taking full advantage of darius/gp etc. and actually understanding the juggernaut meta are 2 separate things though. Yea but how can you use it as an excuse then? The other regions qualified on a patch that has nothing to do with this one. In lpl they played those same champions that are played right now and the team that could play them the best qualified. Hell ig qualified mostly because of this patch. because like I said, playing on the patch (with op skarner, without hotfix Darius, with players playing GP poorly, without fiora being a huge pick in the meta), is different from understanding the meta. Like if I'm saying the big problem is them not understanding p/b and both teams aren't running juggernaut style comps, then having a couple series on the 5.16 patch less than a week after it comes out doesn't mean that they understand the patch at all. Like look at the champs they played in that gauntlet. Heca/mao/gnar/lulu top still the meta, no darius, no fiora, barely any GP, no Tahm Kench, Azir/viktor still dominant, etc.
But the other regions had it worse. How can you use it as an excuse? Also fiora was a huge pick pls. I am not saying they understand the meta. Also some of the best gp play we have seen was from pawn(and gbm).
It isn't like all teams came in this tournament perfectly understanding the meta. Everyone's p/b has changed compared to their first games.
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On October 18 2015 02:34 Sent. wrote:
Buzzword(s) of the day: win condition
buzzword of the year you mean
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It's a pitiful excuse at best and no excuse at all at worst. What this worlds has shown is that LPL management completely dropped the ball when it comes to integrating the Korean imports, preparing their teams for worlds, and in thinking about their region's match ups against other regions in strategy. The LPL analysts also all failed to see this and even MonteCristo failed to see it.
And no, I don't think teams eg QG and Snake would've been able to out perform the top European and Korean teams here. So enough with the idea that iG and LGD didn't deserve to be here. EDG, which I think nobody thinks is actually worse than QG/Snake, did equally bad.
This isn't a failure of one team, two teams, etc. The entire region failed. It didn't matter which teams they sent. They were ALL out classed.
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On October 18 2015 02:34 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:34 Ysellian wrote:
Just got in, surprised the matches took this long considering the score. What happened?
Also FNATIC!!! g2 was 25 minutes in then had to be remade after like a half hour pause
Thanks! What happened? Ingame bug?
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On October 18 2015 02:34 Azarkon wrote:
It's a pitiful excuse at best and no excuse at all at worst. What this worlds has shown is that LPL management completely dropped the ball when it comes to integrating the Korean imports, preparing their teams for worlds, and in thinking about their region's match ups against other regions. The LPL analysts also all failed to see this and even MonteCristo failed to see it.
And no, I don't think teams eg QG and Snake would've been able to out perform the top European and Korean teams here. So enough with the idea that iG and LGD didn't deserve to be here. EDG, which I think nobody thinks is actually worse than QG/Snake, did equally bad.
This isn't a failure of one team, two team, etc. The entire region failed.
I don't think QG/Snake would've done better either. That is by far the dumbest idea I've ever heard. LGD/iG were definitely the stronger teams. A big talking point is also the fact that aside from LPL teams, EVERY other region went to Korea to train for Worlds. To my knowledge, LPL was content enough to just scrim each other thinking they were the dominant region at the time.
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On October 18 2015 02:35 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:34 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:34 Ysellian wrote:
Just got in, surprised the matches took this long considering the score. What happened?
Also FNATIC!!! g2 was 25 minutes in then had to be remade after like a half hour pause Thanks! What happened? Ingame bug?
Gragas's Q got bugged.He needed to die to cast Q again so they decided to remake.But at that time game was won by fnatic so fnatic won 4-0 today.
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On October 18 2015 02:34 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:31 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:28 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:27 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:26 nafta wrote:On October 18 2015 02:25 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:22 MuddyJam wrote:
they going to stop sandbaging yet? next worlds best believe With GODV's varus Q there they might have a shot. honestly think 5.16 was huge in China's downfall like yeah at some point that doesn't excuse everything but they had such amazing p/bs in LPL and they go to worlds and look clueless, all the other major regions (except maybe NA) just got a better grasp on the patch, faster. again china is the only region who had 2 teams qualify from 5.16 while na/eu played on 5.14 entirely playing on 5.16 like half a week after it's out and teams weren't taking full advantage of darius/gp etc. and actually understanding the juggernaut meta are 2 separate things though. Yea but how can you use it as an excuse then? The other regions qualified on a patch that has nothing to do with this one. In lpl they played those same champions that are played right now and the team that could play them the best qualified. Hell ig qualified mostly because of this patch. because like I said, playing on the patch (with op skarner, without hotfix Darius, with players playing GP poorly, without fiora being a huge pick in the meta), is different from understanding the meta. Like if I'm saying the big problem is them not understanding p/b and both teams aren't running juggernaut style comps, then having a couple series on the 5.16 patch less than a week after it comes out doesn't mean that they understand the patch at all. Like look at the champs they played in that gauntlet. Heca/mao/gnar/lulu top still the meta, no darius, no fiora, barely any GP, no Tahm Kench, Azir/viktor still dominant, etc. But the other regions had it worse. How can you use it as an excuse? Also fiora was a huge pick pls. I am not saying they understand the meta. It isn't like all teams came in this tournament perfectly understanding the meta. Everyone's p/b has changed compared to their first games.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/2015_LPL_Summer/Scoreboards/Bracket_Stage/Gauntlet
show me where fiora was p/b throughout the gauntlet.
It's not an excuse, I'm just saying them adapting really poorly was a huge factor in them not doing well. P/b is a part of the game and being strong/weak in it is part of what makes you a good/bad team, just that I think if riot didn't massively shake up the meta right before worlds they would have done better.
No one really understood the meta at the start but you can't deny that China has had the worst p/b/draft/gameplan this series. Like it was LGD who fucking let Morde through multiple times in groups. EDG's Morde comp was easily the worst comp at worlds, period. But look at LPL playoffs/regional finals, almost all of the comps from the teams that made it through made perfect sense for the meta at the time.
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On October 18 2015 02:34 Azarkon wrote:
It's a pitiful excuse at best and no excuse at all at worst. What this worlds has shown is that LPL management completely dropped the ball when it comes to integrating the Korean imports, preparing their teams for worlds, and in thinking about their region's match ups against other regions in strategy. The LPL analysts also all failed to see this and even MonteCristo failed to see it.
And no, I don't think teams eg QG and Snake would've been able to out perform the top European and Korean teams here. So enough with the idea that iG and LGD didn't deserve to be here. EDG, which I think nobody thinks is actually worse than QG/Snake, did equally bad.
This isn't a failure of one team, two teams, etc. The entire region failed. It didn't matter which teams they sent. They were ALL out classed.
To be honest I rather see QG or Snake playing at World's. At least they are not bloated by money.
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This season it seems like the top 4 teams of the World Championship will actually be the top 4 teams in the world.
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On October 18 2015 02:37 Silentenigma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:35 Ysellian wrote:On October 18 2015 02:34 DystopiaX wrote:On October 18 2015 02:34 Ysellian wrote:
Just got in, surprised the matches took this long considering the score. What happened?
Also FNATIC!!! g2 was 25 minutes in then had to be remade after like a half hour pause Thanks! What happened? Ingame bug? Gragas's Q got bugged.He needed to die to cast Q again so they decided to remake.But at that time game was won by fnatic so fnatic won 4-0 today.
Wow, thank god the series wasn't close.
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