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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:05 Sonnington wrote: Who's he going to ult? Thresh in a 1v1? All he could do was split push. But yeah, C9 kinda licks my balls. Well what ended up happening was that Incarnation didn't Ult, he didn't even fight at all, his team died, and then Incarnations till ended up suiciding himself into T8 at the end anyway. That's like the definition of no presence. @.@ | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Do I need a Lulu flair too? Edit: oh TiP won. All good. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
Goodnight, sweet prince. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:09 Caiada wrote: Balls could walk into turret every time he rezed and people would still hail Incarnation as the worst thing ever. Balls was pretty bad too. Neither of their solo laners was a threat really.. At least Balls had a good Rumble Ult. Incarnation forgot his R even existed. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:08 MoonBear wrote: Well what ended up happening was that Incarnation didn't Ult, he didn't even fight at all, his team died, and then Incarnations till ended up suiciding himself into T8 at the end anyway. That's like the definition of no presence. @.@ That's what you're supposed to do as Zed in a team fight. Because his ult has a snap back delay all he can do is go in last and cross his fingers. I'll admit what he did at baron was indefensible bad play. You just have to take into consideration, Zed is in a really bad spot and he was playing against champs that do really well against him. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The issue is not Incarnation though obviously he's not the Bjergsen people thought he was going to be. It's the strategy/tactics. Hai played a specific style of mid and trying to work Incarnation into it isn't going to work. C9 needs to work out their issues as a team. Bringing in Hai for a week on a role he hasn't played for years won't work. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:13 Alaric wrote: What's Gravity's logo? A shuttle taking off? That's what I'd interpret it as, yes. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:12 Sonnington wrote: That's what you're supposed to do as Zed in a team fight. Because his ult has a snap back delay all he can do is go in last and cross his fingers. I'll admit what he did at baron was indefensible bad play. You just have to take into consideration, Zed is in a really bad spot and he was playing against champs that do really well against him. But he didn't use his kit at ALL. (you also dont pick Zed for the Teamfighting, especially right now. It is purely a map pressure pick). You pick Zed because he beat literally every champ in the Game 1v1. He had multiple chances 1v1 to ult someone, kill them, and create insane map pressure, instead he just farmed Krugs, Gromp, or B'd. He played this game like he was playing Ezreal; passively farmed. He missed an entire window from 10 minutes to 35 minutes where he was the STRONGEST champion in the game. A Shen should NEVER out push a Zed. A Shen with Sunfire+GiantsBelt+NinjaTabi should die to a BtoRK+LW+Bruta Zed... On July 06 2015 09:13 Azarkon wrote: Incarnation was given a difficult job. He was given a champion that's designed to all-in against a Shen. And then to have his jungler not gank mid even a single time. Have fun with that. The issue is not Incarnation though obviously he's not the Bjergsen people thought he was going to be. It's the strategy/tactics. Hai played a specific style of mid and trying to work Incarnation into it isn't going to work. C9 needs to work out their issues as a team. Bringing in Hai for a week on a role he hasn't played for years won't work. Why is it a hard job to Kill a guy 3k gold behind with no escapes 1v1 again? If you played a soloqueue game and someone on your team never pressed R, would you think they contributed? | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
C9 is in 9th place. This is the only thing that amuses me anymore. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:16 iCanada wrote: Why is it a hard job to Kill a guy 3k gold behind with no escapes 1v1 again? If you played a soloqueue game and someone on your team never pressed R, would you think they contributed? Because R into Ezrael and Shen ults onto him and Ezrael blinks/shifts onto tower and you're dead? Not to mention they had Thresh there behind Ezrael for the entire mid game before Ezrael finished his Zhonyas. Even the best Zed player in the world won't be able to shut down Ezrael in this case without jungle help. | ||
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TooL
Canada275 Posts
Frankly, your analysis is piss poor on many levels. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:19 Azarkon wrote: Because R into Ezrael and Shen ults onto him and Ezrael blinks/shifts onto tower and you're dead? Not to mention they had Thresh there behind Ezrael for the entire mid game before Ezrael finished his Zhonyas. I never said he should kill Ezreal... He could have killed Shen on many occasions. If Ezreal Pressed R, great he shifts to a Shadow for the Outplays, and now his team could win the 4v4 as well. On July 06 2015 09:19 TooL wrote: You can 1v1 as Zed people if they make mistakes - an Ezreal willing to give up farm, which Goldenglue did, is able to avoid being killed, but lose the farm war. This was eliminated by the free gold from cross-map snipes. Frankly, your analysis is piss poor on many levels. So why did he not push any towers or have any presence anywhere else, exactly? | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On July 06 2015 09:13 Azarkon wrote: Incarnation was given a difficult job. He was given a champion that's designed to all-in against a Shen. And then to have his jungler not gank mid even a single time. Have fun with that. The issue is not Incarnation though obviously he's not the Bjergsen people thought he was going to be. It's the strategy/tactics. Hai played a specific style of mid and trying to work Incarnation into it isn't going to work. C9 needs to work out their issues as a team. Bringing in Hai for a week on a role he hasn't played for years won't work. Well put. Another thing we can talk about are the team comps. I don't even know how C9 could win. You have Rumble who wants to team fights and Zed who doesn't. Lee Sin who wants to put early pressure on the map against lanes that couldn't be ganked. Who are you going to gank? Shen? The pussy Ezreal player? Graves/Thresh? I guess they were counting on objective control with Lee and Rumble while Zed drew pressure. But there was no way Zed could draw any significant pressure when thee's a Shen on the map. T8 with the terminator Nien just had a more versatile team comp and they played it out a little better. Edit: You pick Zed because he beat literally every champ in the Game 1v1. He had multiple chances 1v1 to ult someone, kill them, and create insane map pressure, When? Give me one time he had a chance to kill someone in a 1v1. The pussy Ezreal lane? Ez wasn't even remotely close to him or poked down. His split push top vs Shen with cowl and sunfire cape? No way. | ||
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