EPTEDG takes 2015 Mid-Season Invitational - Page 418
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Don_Julio
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LimpingGoat
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On May 16 2015 05:06 Don_Julio wrote: Summoning Insight with special guest Prolly. Basically a recap of the MSI (3 hours long though). https://youtu.be/QbrxcHmamSE The cancer that is Thoorin and Montecristo's "analysis". | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On May 16 2015 04:22 LimpingGoat wrote: I wonder how the forum will react when I predict a team other than TSM as favorites going into a tournament? Guess I will just be fanboy of that team. People called you out because there was no reason to believe TSM would be a favorite to win. NA has always been a good distance behind China/Korea and there was no real signs that this time would be any different. Add to that baseless praise of certain players and voila, your a fanboy. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 13 2015 18:27 niukasu1990 wrote: What Monte said was the so-called correct way to play this game was the methodical and objective oriented, which is the Korean way to play this game. The best example should be CJ vs Jin air.(I thought it was a extremely boring game, but some may consider it as the best game). Both teams wanted to control this game, played this game safe, not willing to take risks. That was the easiest way to show a methodical game if both teams want to be methodical. But when the methodical defensive play style plays the weaker team with endless aggression(FNC,AHQ), they need to make decisions under tremendous pressure. That was a very different scenario from that both teams play methodical. In this case, the teams are very likely to play sloppy compared to the previous one, and look chaotic So I honestly don't think one of these playstyles is superior than the other one. It is still very dependent on players skills. Although EDG win the championship, I feel disappointed because the result should not be that closed. Individually EDG are far better than SKT(maybe except Mid, but Pawn counter Faker, kappa). But Pawn and Deft were underperforming in the whole tournament except the last game, not even closed to their LPL performance. Disagree, I think one playstyle is clearly better than the other, and that's the playstyle that won the early game more often than not, and the playstyle that took SKT to 5 games despite having a bunch of rookies on it. I'd describe it more as moderate risk, high reward, and easy execution. On the other hand, one mistake in warding or predicting the enemy by the defensive team and you lose out. This isn't the first time this kind of playstyle was exposed. Actually, it happened to GE, and it happened to TSM this tournament and I would hardly attribute it to luck at this point. SKT were good enough in the rest of their play to get further in the tournament. Monte is retarded for looking at game 5 of fnatic vs skt and thinking you can replicate that kind of control by just "showing up". It's a mistake by the other team to let a 4 buff start happen. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 16 2015 20:16 Itsmedudeman wrote: Disagree, I think one playstyle is clearly better than the other, and that's the playstyle that won the early game more often than not, and the playstyle that took SKT to 5 games despite having a bunch of rookies on it. I'd describe it more as moderate risk, high reward, and easy execution. On the other hand, one mistake in warding or predicting the enemy by the defensive team and you lose out. This isn't the first time this kind of playstyle was exposed. Actually, it happened to GE, and it happened to TSM this tournament and I would hardly attribute it to luck at this point. SKT were good enough in the rest of their play to get further in the tournament. Monte is retarded for looking at game 5 of fnatic vs skt and thinking you can replicate that kind of control by just "showing up". It's a mistake by the other team to let a 4 buff start happen. Monte is no more than a korean fanboy with mediocre analysis. Sad that the community thinks he is so smart. Probably all bronze players. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 16 2015 22:41 LimpingGoat wrote: Monte is no more than a korean fanboy with mediocre analysis. Sad that the community thinks he is so smart. Probably all bronze players. irony so thick you could cut it with a knife. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 16 2015 20:16 Itsmedudeman wrote: Disagree, I think one playstyle is clearly better than the other, and that's the playstyle that won the early game more often than not, and the playstyle that took SKT to 5 games despite having a bunch of rookies on it. I'd describe it more as moderate risk, high reward, and easy execution. On the other hand, one mistake in warding or predicting the enemy by the defensive team and you lose out. This isn't the first time this kind of playstyle was exposed. Actually, it happened to GE, and it happened to TSM this tournament and I would hardly attribute it to luck at this point. SKT were good enough in the rest of their play to get further in the tournament. Monte is retarded for looking at game 5 of fnatic vs skt and thinking you can replicate that kind of control by just "showing up". It's a mistake by the other team to let a 4 buff start happen. i agree. the skt dragon priority strategy is retarded because it's so late scaling and gives up the early game. they even draft shitty one threat lineups with this dragon focus as well. even when they win those games they should not be feeling happy. | ||
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LimpingGoat
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
There are plenty of equally fanatical TSM fans and people who believe that the crown of strongest region has left Korea, but they aren't as poorly-received as you because the attitude reflected in their posts isn't so confrontational. Like, really, how the fuck do you expect people to not hate you when you post like this: On May 16 2015 22:41 LimpingGoat wrote: Monte is no more than a korean fanboy with mediocre analysis. Sad that the community thinks he is so smart. Probably all bronze players. It doesn't matter if it's true that Monte's analysis is poor or that he fanboys Korea too hard, or that he has too many fans in the community (all things that are true to some extent). The way you're saying it just makes you sound like you're going out of your way to be a dick to people. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
How about the immense backpedeling done about how Bo1s don't matter? I guess it also doesn't matter that TSM failed to make it out of group stage and couldn't Bo5 any of the teams to show their real strength amirite? TSM fans are fine but LimpingGoat is easily leaps and bounds beyond that. Edit: Also, I'd like to say that if LimpingGoat wants to take credit about SKT not winning 1st, he also gets credit for thinking TSM would've beaten EDG. We're the outlandish ones here. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 18 2015 04:56 NeoIllusions wrote: I think what is most hilarious about LimpingGoat after filtering his posts in just this thread is how adamant he is about TSM's strengths and team fighting. I seriously see none of these "trends" that he claims he picked up on. Ok, sure SKT didn't win. But SKT not making top 2? Not better than Fnatic? (what else do you call the winners of a Bo5, not the better team?) How about the immense backpedeling done about how Bo1s don't matter? I guess it also doesn't matter that TSM failed to make it out of group stage and couldn't Bo5 any of the teams to show their real strength amirite? TSM fans are fine but LimpingGoat is easily leaps and bounds beyond that. On May 12 2015 13:58 wei2coolman wrote: i can't wait for his revisionist history post regarding this tournament. heh, better prediction than my liquidbets. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 18 2015 04:43 TheYango wrote: No, mostly people pick up on the fact that you're overly blunt and come off as a condescending asshole. What you actually said makes no difference when you always come in with a know-it-all "I told you so" attitude. There are plenty of equally fanatical TSM fans and people who believe that the crown of strongest region has left Korea, but they aren't as poorly-received as you because the attitude reflected in their posts isn't so confrontational. Like, really, how the fuck do you expect people to not hate you when you post like this: It doesn't matter if it's true that Monte's analysis is poor or that he fanboys Korea too hard, or that he has too many fans in the community (all things that are true to some extent). The way you're saying it just makes you sound like you're going out of your way to be a dick to people. Hm, I don't know. I don't try to be a dick to people just for disagreeing with me or something. I think it tends to be that a lot of what I say seems so radical to people and I am so used to a hostile response to most of those things that might effect how I pose my opinions. I mean specifically when it comes to Monte who is a public figure himself who says some pretty offensive things if we're using such a broad definition of the word, I don't think he is safe from hard criticism. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 18 2015 04:56 NeoIllusions wrote: I think what is most hilarious about LimpingGoat after filtering his posts in just this thread is how adamant he is about TSM's strengths and team fighting. I seriously see none of these "trends" that he claims he picked up on. Ok, sure SKT didn't win. But SKT not making top 2? Not better than Fnatic? (what else do you call the winners of a Bo5, not the better team?) How about the immense backpedeling done about how Bo1s don't matter? I guess it also doesn't matter that TSM failed to make it out of group stage and couldn't Bo5 any of the teams to show their real strength amirite? TSM fans are fine but LimpingGoat is easily leaps and bounds beyond that. Edit: Also, I'd like to say that if LimpingGoat wants to take credit about SKT not winning 1st, he also gets credit for thinking TSM would've beaten EDG. We're the outlandish ones here. I don't really remember talking much about specifically TSM's strengths or teamfighting, I usually just stick to my predictions because I find trying to debate justification tends to be a road to nowhere. Trends I've picked up on -Fall of Korea, shown by consecutive losses in past 2 international tournaments, predicted before the start of IEM when everyone and their mother was talking about how GE was going to dump on everyone. -How strong TSM was, might seem silly if you're just looking at what happened at MSI. But going back to before the Spring Split started, people were talking about how Santorin was a clear downgrade in the jungle, C9 was looking strong, "favorites" for Spring Split was thrown around often, go back into that NA LCS prediction thread and see how many people thought Team Liquid and C9 were favorites for first. -EU vs. KR thing, I literally did not say that either SKT was better than Fnatic nor Fnatic better than SKT. I suggested that it was more of a question mark for me prior to the event when everyone (read: most people) were seeing SKT as the strong favorite and EU as a weak region. Now, I won't act like I didn't constantly talk up TSM and how people were underestimating them, and obviously they had an utterly garbage showing at this event, but you cannot ignore the fact that the vast majority of people would not have predicted SKT to be taken to a game five by Fnatic, and I did in fact mention that it was a questionable matchup at least for myself. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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JonGalt
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
On May 16 2015 22:41 LimpingGoat wrote: Monte is no more than a korean fanboy with mediocre analysis. Sad that the community thinks he is so smart. Probably all bronze players. It's quotes like these that show why you're so disliked. Many times professional players have even praised montecristos analysis, so that's just wrong. And just the way you word things makes you sound like some neckbeard sitting at his desk yelling at his monitor, and angrily typing away. Not saying that's how you are in real life, that's just how I imagine you when I read your posts. | ||
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FKAri
Canada84 Posts
On May 18 2015 10:50 Itsmedudeman wrote: Everyone knows tournament results don't mean anything. Word of mouth scrim results when 80% of the teams are jetlagged for 1 day matter. This is what amazes me about TSM. They scrimmed EDG and SKT the day those teams landed in Florida. Why were these results being so overvalued? You can see this in some posts from that time from TSM insiders as well as on their Legends episode. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 18 2015 11:34 FKAri wrote: This is what amazes me about TSM. They scrimmed EDG and SKT the day those teams landed in Florida. Why were these results being so overvalued? You can see this in some posts from that time from TSM insiders as well as on their Legends episode. It's not just TSM or something. Teams value scrim results fairly appropriately, as you would expect, the results that happen in scrims tend to happen on stage. | ||
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