EPTEDG takes 2015 Mid-Season Invitational - Page 136
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:12 Itsmedudeman wrote: I mean, not to discredit faker, but 80% of that game was bengi, 15% marin, and 5% everyone else. Not a good example for breaking down the impacts of the two players when neither was even close to being the most impactful player that game. Yo Wolf put in mad work. | ||
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decyfer
Australia162 Posts
All in all, faker had more of an impact on the game than Bjerg did. Wolf, MaRin and Bengi carried the game though. | ||
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HyperST
Canada279 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:12 Itsmedudeman wrote: I mean, not to discredit faker, but 80% of that game was bengi, 15% marin, and 5% everyone else. Not a good example for breaking down the impacts of the two players when neither was even close in deciding that game. well obviously. ccass is a stay home and farm for the midgame power spike pick. but it's still really important to show up to skirmishes and get kills on the cass. the crucial play in the game was dyrone getting killed twice, which is probably 50% vision problem at least. tsm's vision was hilariously bad. | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
aww man, and i was hoping to see him around until TSM loses in bracket stage...assuming they even get there as for the game, fear/intimidation factor too much IMO. lots of unforced errors from TSM as for edg vs skt: i like how China fans are now silent, sandbagging excuse aside (OMG was apparently sandbagging but turns out, they're just bad. oh and SKT also has the ability to save their best prepared strats for bracket stages too). TBH I thought EDG's pick/ban kind of made sense - Trist is pretty safe early in comparison to, say, Jinx, Lulu/Trist is hard to kill late game, and EDG won games vs LGD off the backs of Sej/Gnar. Too bad Deft's Trist is garbage, Pawn plays Lulu like an assassin, their comp's dmg without Trist is low, and they'd have to survive SKT's midgame, which didn't happen oh and rofl 4 man L2 faker gank | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:18 scrubtastic wrote: aww man, and i was hoping to see him around until TSM loses in bracket stage...assuming they even get there as for the game, fear/intimidation factor too much IMO. lots of unforced errors from TSM as for edg vs skt: i like how China fans are now silent, sandbagging excuse aside (OMG was apparently sandbagging but turns out, they're just bad. oh and SKT also has the ability to save their best prepared strats for bracket stages too). TBH I thought EDG's pick/ban kind of made sense - Trist is pretty safe early in comparison to, say, Jinx, Lulu/Trist is hard to kill late game, and EDG won games vs LGD off the backs of Sej/Gnar. Too bad Deft's Trist is garbage, Pawn plays Lulu like an assassin, their comp's dmg without Trist is low, and they'd have to survive SKT's midgame, which didn't happen oh and rofl 4 man L2 faker gank EDG lost from P/B. Deft played a total number of 0 Trist games for the entire season, and the team has 0 damage without ad carry. Deft got absolutely dumpstered by Kalista and that's gg. Simply the worst possible P/B they could have had. Not banning Kalista/Rumble, pick lulu mid and trist adc. I genuinely can't think of any other possibility other than sandbagging. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote: Normally I'd be more optimistic for TSM since it's pretty obvious that they've always been weak in the first match against teams and better after they adjust (see YoeFW, WE, TL, TiP, C9) but Dyrus's champion situation is hilariously bad right now. I expect the same target bans every game from here on out and I'm interested in how they plan on fixing it in 12 hours. Rumble is the only thing left that he hasn't tried and that champion is more prone to ganks than anything else. Dyrus is what he is and that can't be fixed. What I need to see is Santorin making an effort to do something on the other side of the map when he sees the enemy jungler. This is their bread and butter in the LCS and while it won't work against superior teams like EDG or SKT, it can get them the win vs AHQ. | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:12 Itsmedudeman wrote: I mean, not to discredit faker, but 80% of that game was bengi, 15% marin, and 5% everyone else. Not a good example for breaking down the impacts of the two players when neither was even close in deciding that game. The difference is that SKT no longer requires their mid player to carry, whether that be Faker/Easyhoon, while TSM still needs it, because they look clueless when he doesn't. Look at where the junglers were going that game. Bengi went top twice to trash Dyrus. Never helped mid till Marin was already way ahead. They did the same vs. EDG. Never helped Easyhoon mid. Just tried to put EDG's top and bot behind. This is a team that obviously no longer feels the need to secure Faker's lane. It doesn't even matter whether he gets behind. TSM, though? Santorin farms the jungle, roams mid 1-2 times, and then eventually decides to roam bot because he has no opening vs. Faker. They left Dyrus out to dry because hey, it's Dyrus. But then who are you going to get ahead? Mid? Bjergsen on Ziggs had no kill pressure on Faker except for a brief time around level 5. Bot? Disastrous dive. And even were you to get Turtle ahead, does Turtle ever carry TSM through the mid game? I haven't seen it. To use a Montecristo phrase - what is TSM's win condition? Dodging every gank early on and hoping for a mid-game rotational/team fighting advantage? But in that case, why give Dyrus such an easy to gank champion? Getting a 2k lead off of a lane swap? But then why run a Kalista lane and a Hecarim lane? You don't want Hecarim in a 1v2, and you don't want Kalista in a 2v1. Why pick those champs? TSM needs to understand what their style is, because presently, they don't have one. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:25 chosenkerrigan wrote: EDG lost from P/B. Deft played a total number of 0 Trist games for the entire season, and the team has 0 damage without ad carry. Deft got absolutely dumpstered by Kalista and that's gg. Simply the worst possible P/B they could have had. Not banning Kalista/Rumble, pick lulu mid and trist adc. I genuinely can't think of any other possibility other than sandbagging. I mean, if Deft were the god that Bang was, he could've carried like Bang did on Lucian.  Also, nobody said Bjergsen was playing like a god. He just wasn't playing poorly and played well given the situation. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
1st. SKT 5-0 2nd. EDG 4-1 3rd. AHQ 3-2 4th Fnatic 3-2 (They both move on even though they tied) 5th TSM 1-4 6th BKS 0-5 | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:25 chosenkerrigan wrote: EDG lost from P/B. Deft played a total number of 0 Trist games for the entire season, and the team has 0 damage without ad carry. Deft got absolutely dumpstered by Kalista and that's gg. Simply the worst possible P/B they could have had. Not banning Kalista/Rumble, pick lulu mid and trist adc. I genuinely can't think of any other possibility other than sandbagging. Easyhoon has how many games on vlad again? SKT confirmed sandbagging i got an alternate explanation: EDG's P/B isn't as good as you think it is *edit* maybe we should just wait until bracket stages | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:25 chosenkerrigan wrote: EDG lost from P/B. Deft played a total number of 0 Trist games for the entire season, and the team has 0 damage without ad carry. Deft got absolutely dumpstered by Kalista and that's gg. Simply the worst possible P/B they could have had. Not banning Kalista/Rumble, pick lulu mid and trist adc. I genuinely can't think of any other possibility other than sandbagging. From what I heard with an interview with Aaron, they weren't sandbagging. They had a comp in mind but apparently they changed it because Deft decided they should play the Trist ... | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 08 2015 14:38 KissBlade wrote: From what I heard with an interview with Aaron, they weren't sandbagging. They had a comp in mind but apparently they changed it because Deft decided they should play the Trist ... Well, it shouldn't matter though, because clearlove is the true carry off edg, and he had sejuani. Obviously. | ||
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