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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 04:43:44
May 08 2015 04:43 GMT
#2661
Goddamn thought stream was over and I could watch SKT vs TSM
but then I get spoiled that SKT won instantly lol
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 08 2015 04:44 GMT
#2662
--- Nuked ---
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2015 04:44 GMT
#2663
On May 08 2015 13:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:40 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Yeah, bjerg forced faker out of lane 3 times, taking all his summoners, and got a cs lead. Yet for some reason he couldn't apply any pressure on the map. It was pretty baffling. I mean if Faker can just lose lane yet get fed free kills while his other lanes win, he can just blow summoners to live all day and keep bjergs lead managable.

They also need to bring down rek'sai. They keep over doing it with the manaless regen champions and ratios when they have 7 skills (AHEMLEESIN).

that's what makes faker good though. he's always relevant. NO MATTER WHAT.
His laning in 1v1 is really good, but that's not what makes him a god at this game.

Not even faker is relevant when his team is down in all lanes and feeding every other minute. Last year proved this.

faker was able to single carry vs some lower teams. even managed a couple wins vs white
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 08 2015 04:44 GMT
#2664
bjerg blew Faker's summs because Faker lost xp chasing Dyrus, if he was 6 too Bjerg would've probably been a corpse.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
May 08 2015 04:45 GMT
#2665
Incarnation to C9 is Santorin-levels of obvious right now.

Could be decent if his shotcalling works out or Meteos does it. 3 top tier players is lots of (real) potential.
XDG Mata
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 08 2015 04:46 GMT
#2666
On May 08 2015 13:44 IshinShishi wrote:
bjerg blew Faker's summs because Faker lost xp chasing Dyrus, if he was 6 too Bjerg would've probably been a corpse.


"this thing happened, but if it didn't happen something else would have happened ergo null and void."

bjerg takes advantage of a situation to gain a lead. that's, uhh, kind of how the game works.



Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 08 2015 04:46 GMT
#2667
On May 08 2015 13:44 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:40 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Yeah, bjerg forced faker out of lane 3 times, taking all his summoners, and got a cs lead. Yet for some reason he couldn't apply any pressure on the map. It was pretty baffling. I mean if Faker can just lose lane yet get fed free kills while his other lanes win, he can just blow summoners to live all day and keep bjergs lead managable.

They also need to bring down rek'sai. They keep over doing it with the manaless regen champions and ratios when they have 7 skills (AHEMLEESIN).

that's what makes faker good though. he's always relevant. NO MATTER WHAT.
His laning in 1v1 is really good, but that's not what makes him a god at this game.

Not even faker is relevant when his team is down in all lanes and feeding every other minute. Last year proved this.

faker was able to single carry vs some lower teams. even managed a couple wins vs white

I don't ever remember faker 1v9ing against white or in a game at this level of stompiness.. Also SKT is not a low level team.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
May 08 2015 04:46 GMT
#2668
On May 08 2015 13:41 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:40 petered wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports. Bonus evidence comes from Korean players in China doing worse and worse when put beside their peers in Korea.


While I agree with what you are saying in general, this is just day one so far. Keep in mind in the last international tournament Korea bombed out and TSM won.


the problem is korea faced 2 of the favorites besides them today and beat them very convincingly.
I just can't see SKT 'bombing' out against ahq and fnatic.


Oh I don't expect them to bomb out at all and I agree that Korean is the strongest region despite the talent exodus. I was just saying, we don't have the evidence to be making those statements yet.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
May 08 2015 04:46 GMT
#2669
On May 08 2015 13:46 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:41 krndandaman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:40 petered wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports. Bonus evidence comes from Korean players in China doing worse and worse when put beside their peers in Korea.


While I agree with what you are saying in general, this is just day one so far. Keep in mind in the last international tournament Korea bombed out and TSM won.


the problem is korea faced 2 of the favorites besides them today and beat them very convincingly.
I just can't see SKT 'bombing' out against ahq and fnatic.


Oh I don't expect them to bomb out at all and I agree that Korean is the strongest region despite the talent exodus. I was just saying, we don't have the evidence to be making those statements yet.


Evidence? In LL livereport? Pshhh
XDG Mata
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2015 04:47 GMT
#2670
On May 08 2015 13:44 IshinShishi wrote:
bjerg blew Faker's summs because Faker lost xp chasing Dyrus, if he was 6 too Bjerg would've probably been a corpse.

the fact is, bjerg blew faker's summs, but was still absent on the map while faker was all over the map.

The fact that bjerg apologist are hanging onto the 20 cs advantage as if it meant anything is proof of the sad state of TSM fans.
liftlift > tsm
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 08 2015 04:47 GMT
#2671
On May 08 2015 13:46 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:44 IshinShishi wrote:
bjerg blew Faker's summs because Faker lost xp chasing Dyrus, if he was 6 too Bjerg would've probably been a corpse.


"this thing happened, but if it didn't happen something else would have happened ergo null and void."

bjerg takes advantage of a situation to gain a lead. that's, uhh, kind of how the game works.




He didn't accomplish the lead is my point, it didn't matter either way, Faker still outperformed him by miles.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2015 04:48 GMT
#2672
On May 08 2015 13:46 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:44 IshinShishi wrote:
bjerg blew Faker's summs because Faker lost xp chasing Dyrus, if he was 6 too Bjerg would've probably been a corpse.


"this thing happened, but if it didn't happen something else would have happened ergo null and void."

bjerg takes advantage of a situation to gain a lead. that's, uhh, kind of how the game works.




he sure took advantage of blowing fakers' summoner's. oh wait, he didn't do jackshit on the map afterwords despite being "ahead". meanwhile faker is getting kills all over map.

lol.
liftlift > tsm
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 08 2015 04:48 GMT
#2673
faker was "all over the map" because he was finishing off random TSM members who were sitting in his jungle for no reason. I'm sure bjerg could have hit a Q on a no health bengi surrounded at wraiths as well
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 08 2015 04:48 GMT
#2674
On May 08 2015 07:19 LimpingGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 07:18 Slusher wrote:
On May 08 2015 07:16 LimpingGoat wrote:
On May 08 2015 07:13 Slusher wrote:
LimpingGoat I will take your bet if we can add sig bet to the 1 month.

I want you to change your sig to a link to Thooorin's youtube.


Deal, but it is 1 week banbet.


then you gotta keep the sig for the following month


Okay, deal.

User was temp banned for this post.


It is done.
TranslatorBaa!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2015 04:49 GMT
#2675
On May 08 2015 13:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:44 oneofthem wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:40 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Yeah, bjerg forced faker out of lane 3 times, taking all his summoners, and got a cs lead. Yet for some reason he couldn't apply any pressure on the map. It was pretty baffling. I mean if Faker can just lose lane yet get fed free kills while his other lanes win, he can just blow summoners to live all day and keep bjergs lead managable.

They also need to bring down rek'sai. They keep over doing it with the manaless regen champions and ratios when they have 7 skills (AHEMLEESIN).

that's what makes faker good though. he's always relevant. NO MATTER WHAT.
His laning in 1v1 is really good, but that's not what makes him a god at this game.

Not even faker is relevant when his team is down in all lanes and feeding every other minute. Last year proved this.

faker was able to single carry vs some lower teams. even managed a couple wins vs white

I don't ever remember faker 1v9ing against white or in a game at this level of stompiness.. Also SKT is not a low level team.

there was the zilean game

i never said skt was a low lvl team, just that they won vs low tier teams with faker hardcarrying. notably when piglet was shitting the bed for some of the bo5s.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 04:50:44
May 08 2015 04:49 GMT
#2676
On May 08 2015 13:43 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 13:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:34 ghrur wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:30 Caiada wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bjergsen isn't "hurting himself" by playing Cho and Ziggs, he's literally toos cared to play playmaking champs cause he'd get exposed even harder, at least with Cho/Ziggs he can KS/pussy and farm from afar and avoid looking like the fraud he is.


Yeah, but I prefer to do actual analysis, not just go crazy with preconceived notions.


In both losses Bjergsen was completely nonexistent and only salvaged some KDA after the game was over already. Santorin is a problem but Bjergsen did not play well at all.


Bjergsen actually did fine in lane. He was up like 20 cs at one point, blowing Faker's ghost + flash once and forcing Faker out of lane soon after. He actually had pressure mid, but the rest of his got destroyed, especially Santorin. Bjergsen lost pressure after Bengi ganked mid, which happens when your jungler is non-existant.

yeah, 20 cs, when faker was all over the jungle grabbing kills.
lol.
20 cs doesn't mean shit if yo udon't leave midlane.


Wtf are you talking about? Faker's first kill in the jungle was because Santorin was in Blue side jungle vs 3 people from SKT. What can Bjergsen do about that? Run in to die?

Right after Santorin died, TSM opts into a 3v4 bot while Bjergsen pushes Faker out of lane and forces Faker to recall and Bjergsen gets mid turret to 1/2 health, kills like 1.5-2 waves against turret, and gains a 20-CS lead. After that, Bengi ganks Bjergsen while his team is fail-diving 3v2 bot, Bengi gets a kill on Bjergsen, and Faker snowballs after that.

It was 6-2 by the time Faker actually killed Bjergsen in mid with the help of Bengi. Bjergsen held his own just fine. His team was just too heavy.


Bjergsen played fine in lane. But it doesn't even take a Faker fan to observe that Faker got behind in lane in the first place because he was moving to intercept Dyrus. I specifically remember posting a post saying 'hey, isn't Faker ahead? unless my eyes are wrong...' when he was about 10 cs ahead of Bjergsen and only had about 5 additional minions on his side for Bjergsen to farm.

It was around that time that Faker started roaming. Bjergsen got ahead due to that and managed to get a level advantage at 6 which he - to his credit - successfully used to bully Faker after Faker tried to get back in lane. I'm pretty sure that was a mistake from Faker even though Bjergsen got his advantage in the first place from Dyrus's tactical feed.

The problem is what occurred after that. Faker roamed successfully several times. Bjergsen never roamed. He had zero impact on the game except for pushing down mid turret while Faker got up to a 6-1 lead against his team. Having no impact on a mid laner at this level is not acceptable.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 08 2015 04:50 GMT
#2677
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chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 08 2015 04:50 GMT
#2678
On May 08 2015 13:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Limpinggoat - you have until I go to sleep which could be anytime from 5 minutes to an hour from now, to make a statement before your 1 week ban or if you want to recant/barter with your counterparts.


lmao plz don't ban him so that we give him a chance to redeem himself after TSM gets eliminated groupstage tomorrow.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2015 04:51 GMT
#2679
On May 08 2015 13:48 negativedge wrote:
faker was "all over the map" because he was finishing off random TSM members who were sitting in his jungle for no reason. I'm sure bjerg could have hit a Q on a no health bengi surrounded at wraiths as well

well when you are trying to credit bjergsen with 'lane pressure' you have to take into account factors that disrupt the laning situation. before faker went on the dyrone chase he was bodying bjergsen pretty hard in lane, on a losing matchup.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2015 04:52 GMT
#2680
On May 08 2015 11:41 LimpingGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 11:40 God Killer v2 wrote:
On May 08 2015 11:37 LimpingGoat wrote:
Who's ready to see somebody get banned after SKT vs TSM?

After SKT-TSM you'll be able to take a break from LL :>


lol

famous last words before the ban.
liftlift > tsm
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