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On May 08 2015 13:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:30 Caiada wrote:On May 08 2015 13:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bjergsen isn't "hurting himself" by playing Cho and Ziggs, he's literally toos cared to play playmaking champs cause he'd get exposed even harder, at least with Cho/Ziggs he can KS/pussy and farm from afar and avoid looking like the fraud he is. Yeah, but I prefer to do actual analysis, not just go crazy with preconceived notions. In both losses Bjergsen was completely nonexistent and only salvaged some KDA after the game was over already. Santorin is a problem but Bjergsen did not play well at all.
Bjergsen actually did fine in lane. He was up like 20 cs at one point, blowing Faker's ghost + flash once and forcing Faker out of lane soon after. He actually had pressure mid, but the rest of his got destroyed, especially Santorin. Bjergsen lost pressure after Bengi ganked mid, which happens when your jungler is non-existant.
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On May 08 2015 13:31 stuchiu wrote:
My analysis tells me SKT outclassed TSM so hard that it didnt look like they were even playing the same game.
where's #20-25?!! get writing!
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Okay guys, was a pleasure watching those games with you and enjoying shower from salty NA tears.
We reunite in 16 hours to watch TSM being eliminated from MSI.
P.S : Cheers LimpingGoat ;-)
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On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports.
though tbf, skt isn't proof of that, since all their players are veterans.
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On May 08 2015 13:34 Shiznick wrote:
dyrus exposed again, zz
Can we start using exposed in a way that makes some sense/has actual meaning
Upvotes to the left.
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On May 08 2015 13:34 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 08 2015 13:30 Caiada wrote:On May 08 2015 13:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bjergsen isn't "hurting himself" by playing Cho and Ziggs, he's literally toos cared to play playmaking champs cause he'd get exposed even harder, at least with Cho/Ziggs he can KS/pussy and farm from afar and avoid looking like the fraud he is. Yeah, but I prefer to do actual analysis, not just go crazy with preconceived notions. In both losses Bjergsen was completely nonexistent and only salvaged some KDA after the game was over already. Santorin is a problem but Bjergsen did not play well at all. Bjergsen actually did fine in lane. He was up like 20 cs at one point, blowing Faker's ghost + flash once and forcing Faker out of lane soon after. He actually had pressure mid, but the rest of his got destroyed, especially Santorin. Bjergsen lost pressure after Bengi ganked mid, which happens when your jungler is non-existant.
yeah, 20 cs, when faker was all over the jungle grabbing kills.
lol.
20 cs doesn't mean shit if yo udon't leave midlane.
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TSM, TSM, TSM! Making a big statement at this event.
Just not sure it's the statement they wanted.
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On May 08 2015 13:35 Caiada wrote:Can we start using exposed in a way that makes some sense/has actual meaning Upvotes to the left.
That's not how we work around here
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On May 08 2015 13:34 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 08 2015 13:30 Caiada wrote:On May 08 2015 13:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bjergsen isn't "hurting himself" by playing Cho and Ziggs, he's literally toos cared to play playmaking champs cause he'd get exposed even harder, at least with Cho/Ziggs he can KS/pussy and farm from afar and avoid looking like the fraud he is. Yeah, but I prefer to do actual analysis, not just go crazy with preconceived notions. In both losses Bjergsen was completely nonexistent and only salvaged some KDA after the game was over already. Santorin is a problem but Bjergsen did not play well at all. Bjergsen actually did fine in lane. He was up like 20 cs at one point, blowing Faker's ghost + flash once and forcing Faker out of lane soon after. He actually had pressure mid, but the rest of his got destroyed, especially Santorin. Bjergsen lost pressure after Bengi ganked mid, which happens when your jungler is non-existant.
faker spent a while chasing dyrone around. he was up by like 10 cs before that chase. he did lose a trading exchange that was not captured on stream before the ziggs ult though
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Lustboy remembers being this fucked when he was trash tier in korea, Faker vs Bjergsen such a close matchup tho  )
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On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports. Bonus evidence comes from Korean players in China doing worse and worse when put beside their peers in Korea.
to be fair, it's kind of a big deal that korean players in korea are comfortable with their environment and can, you know, actually talk to their teammates.
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Crumbz totally outclassing the rest of the analyst desk.
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On May 08 2015 13:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:34 ghrur wrote:On May 08 2015 13:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 08 2015 13:30 Caiada wrote:On May 08 2015 13:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bjergsen isn't "hurting himself" by playing Cho and Ziggs, he's literally toos cared to play playmaking champs cause he'd get exposed even harder, at least with Cho/Ziggs he can KS/pussy and farm from afar and avoid looking like the fraud he is. Yeah, but I prefer to do actual analysis, not just go crazy with preconceived notions. In both losses Bjergsen was completely nonexistent and only salvaged some KDA after the game was over already. Santorin is a problem but Bjergsen did not play well at all. Bjergsen actually did fine in lane. He was up like 20 cs at one point, blowing Faker's ghost + flash once and forcing Faker out of lane soon after. He actually had pressure mid, but the rest of his got destroyed, especially Santorin. Bjergsen lost pressure after Bengi ganked mid, which happens when your jungler is non-existant. yeah, 20 cs, when faker was all over the jungle grabbing kills. lol. 20 cs doesn't mean shit if yo udon't leave midlane.
So much truth in a single post
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On May 08 2015 13:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports.
though tbf, skt isn't proof of that, since all their players are veterans.
well if it holds through worlds we'll get a better idea
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Uh, so EDG plays 4 games tomorrow?
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On May 08 2015 13:37 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:35 wei2coolman wrote:On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports.
though tbf, skt isn't proof of that, since all their players are veterans. well if it holds through worlds we'll get a better idea
it'll depend on 2nd and 3rd place korean teams, and how they do.
CJ still shits the bed in full tilt poker, and GE looks like shit vs SKT.
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On May 08 2015 13:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Uh, so EDG plays 4 games tomorrow?
3.
Fnatic/TSM/Besiktas?
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On May 08 2015 13:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Uh, so EDG plays 4 games tomorrow?
3, there's 5 games per team since each of the 6 teams plays each opponent once. Each team plays 2 games one day and 3 games the other.
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On May 08 2015 13:36 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
The maintenance of this status quo, whereby KR >>> CN > NA/EU, were it to continue through Worlds, simply validates H1: that Korean infrastructure & gaming culture is what gets them ahead, and that this is not transferable via mere talent imports. Not even coaching imports. Bonus evidence comes from Korean players in China doing worse and worse when put beside their peers in Korea. to be fair, it's kind of a big deal that korean players in korea are comfortable with their environment and can, you know, actually talk to their teammates.
Yea, that's a confounding variable, unfortunately. 
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